| Youth team on Recast Tuesday 14:39 - Dec 19 with 15893 views | QPRSteve |
Playing Spurs in the Cup. Chance to see some future Rangers youngsters turning out for Spurs  |  | | |  |
| Youth team on Recast Tuesday on 09:13 - Dec 21 with 2541 views | derbyhoop |
| Youth team on Recast Tuesday on 23:19 - Dec 20 by 1JD |
I’ve been watching the youth teams, the u18s and 21s, for the best part of the last 10 years. That was far and away the best performance I’ve seen in that time. And the most potential in any group I’ve seen.
Normally you get the odd one who might make it as a professional footballer, let alone a championship footballer or above. But this group have it in spades, there are no weak links.
For context, the u18s have finished bottom for the last 3 seasons running, and questions have rightly been asked. But there are a number of high quality players with real potential in this set of players.
4th in the league so far this season. Beat Palace (Cat 1 in a friendly at the weekend). And just beat, and outplayed Spurs (Cat 1) in the FA cup.
I’d encourage all interested fans to watch that game back who didn’t see it. An absolute joy! Technical quality of the highest order. If far too open at times.
Kolli, who I’ve been raving about to anyone that would listen for the last year, was the best player on the park. But the other 10 players and subs, all genuinely have a chance of making it in the game, such is the quality of the whole team and squad.
Well done young Rrsss, a superb performance. The swagger and showboating at the end was something else! |
I'm not sure how many of our fans appreciate what a big deal that was. Spurs are in top half of Cat 1 league, while we are Cat 2.
IF (see Northern's comments about EPPP) we can keep them we could end up with several 1st teasers in the next 3-5 years.p |  |
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| Youth team on Recast Tuesday on 09:20 - Dec 21 with 2521 views | Northernr |
| Youth team on Recast Tuesday on 09:13 - Dec 21 by derbyhoop |
I'm not sure how many of our fans appreciate what a big deal that was. Spurs are in top half of Cat 1 league, while we are Cat 2.
IF (see Northern's comments about EPPP) we can keep them we could end up with several 1st teasers in the next 3-5 years.p |
That would be absolutely enormous if we could. |  | | |
| Youth team on Recast Tuesday on 09:24 - Dec 21 with 2495 views | Blue_Castello |
| Youth team on Recast Tuesday on 08:20 - Dec 21 by BrianMcCarthy |
Mine, too. Followed by the age-old thought that we could and should be Cat 1. It wouldn't affect our EPPP spending, as far as I'm aware.
I've never bought the club line that it would be of no benefit to us.
edit - sp. check. [Post edited 21 Dec 2022 9:23]
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I'm pretty sure that it's a benefit because it would stop our best young players being poached by Premiership clubs for peanuts. Having read bits and pieces on this in the past my understanding is that it's a very significant capital cost implication to upgrade to Cat 1,which has subsequent annual running costs, this is easy to finance if you are in the Premiership, Catch 22, would be more financial pressure on the owners...
Oh and the other big problem is they can offer them more money...... [Post edited 21 Dec 2022 9:49]
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| Youth team on Recast Tuesday on 09:25 - Dec 21 with 2489 views | DWQPR |
So once Heston is fully up and running what are the barriers that prevent Rangers from applying for Cat 1 status? | |
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| Youth team on Recast Tuesday on 09:37 - Dec 21 with 2415 views | Northernr |
| Youth team on Recast Tuesday on 09:25 - Dec 21 by DWQPR |
So once Heston is fully up and running what are the barriers that prevent Rangers from applying for Cat 1 status? |
Accommodation, I think. | | | |
| Youth team on Recast Tuesday on 09:37 - Dec 21 with 2415 views | Lanhoop |
| Youth team on Recast Tuesday on 09:25 - Dec 21 by DWQPR |
So once Heston is fully up and running what are the barriers that prevent Rangers from applying for Cat 1 status? |
Much less than they would have been at Harlington. At least the facility investment would be in our own infrastructure, not somebody else's. | | | |
| Youth team on Recast Tuesday on 10:01 - Dec 21 with 2360 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Youth team on Recast Tuesday on 09:37 - Dec 21 by Northernr |
Accommodation, I think. |
That's the main one. Not that the players have to stay in the accommodation, but there has to be an option for them to. It would also mean higher running costs, additional staff etc.
I hope I'm not one of those fans who just demands extra money from the owners, and I do realise they're funding a monthly loss of 1m+, but Cat 2 means our players get robbed for peanuts, and I fail to see how we can pretend to be so serious about developing youth if we stay at Cat 2 and watch our players get poached for a pittance.
The club have to say something to defend the decision to stay at Cat 2 but so far I've heard lovely soundbites but nothing that convinces me that Cat 2 is better for us than Cat 1.
If we can't afford it, fine. But I'm not sure that's the case either.
If it breaks FFP/EPPP, fine. But I think we know that it doesn't. |  |
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| Youth team on Recast Tuesday on 11:08 - Dec 21 with 2227 views | derbyhoop |
| Youth team on Recast Tuesday on 10:01 - Dec 21 by BrianMcCarthy |
That's the main one. Not that the players have to stay in the accommodation, but there has to be an option for them to. It would also mean higher running costs, additional staff etc.
I hope I'm not one of those fans who just demands extra money from the owners, and I do realise they're funding a monthly loss of 1m+, but Cat 2 means our players get robbed for peanuts, and I fail to see how we can pretend to be so serious about developing youth if we stay at Cat 2 and watch our players get poached for a pittance.
The club have to say something to defend the decision to stay at Cat 2 but so far I've heard lovely soundbites but nothing that convinces me that Cat 2 is better for us than Cat 1.
If we can't afford it, fine. But I'm not sure that's the case either.
If it breaks FFP/EPPP, fine. But I think we know that it doesn't. |
Can we get the best of them tied down on pro contracts?
Would that stop the EPPP cut price poaching?
If we then decide to sell, e.g. Raheem Stirling,we get a decent wedge. | |
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| Youth team on Recast Tuesday on 11:30 - Dec 21 with 2165 views | dmm |
The club/owners have a stake in the Oaklands Rise housing scheme in old oak common. Could that be used? |  | | |
| Youth team on Recast Tuesday on 11:32 - Dec 21 with 2166 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Youth team on Recast Tuesday on 11:08 - Dec 21 by derbyhoop |
Can we get the best of them tied down on pro contracts?
Would that stop the EPPP cut price poaching?
If we then decide to sell, e.g. Raheem Stirling,we get a decent wedge. |
They can't sign pro contracts until they're 16? Or maybe 17.
Sorry, can't remember which. | |
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| Youth team on Recast Tuesday on 11:59 - Dec 21 with 2081 views | kensalriser |
| Youth team on Recast Tuesday on 11:32 - Dec 21 by BrianMcCarthy |
They can't sign pro contracts until they're 16? Or maybe 17.
Sorry, can't remember which. |
Contracts aren't legally enforceable generally until the age of 18. I've no idea if there's some kind of work around for footballers, though. |  |
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| Youth team on Recast Tuesday on 12:29 - Dec 21 with 2019 views | silverbirch |
| Youth team on Recast Tuesday on 10:01 - Dec 21 by BrianMcCarthy |
That's the main one. Not that the players have to stay in the accommodation, but there has to be an option for them to. It would also mean higher running costs, additional staff etc.
I hope I'm not one of those fans who just demands extra money from the owners, and I do realise they're funding a monthly loss of 1m+, but Cat 2 means our players get robbed for peanuts, and I fail to see how we can pretend to be so serious about developing youth if we stay at Cat 2 and watch our players get poached for a pittance.
The club have to say something to defend the decision to stay at Cat 2 but so far I've heard lovely soundbites but nothing that convinces me that Cat 2 is better for us than Cat 1.
If we can't afford it, fine. But I'm not sure that's the case either.
If it breaks FFP/EPPP, fine. But I think we know that it doesn't. |
But are they going to leave because we are cat2 and spurs are cat1, or because we are QPR and Spurs are Spurs?
Our advantage is a fast route to first team football and accommodation wouldn’t help with this. | | | |
| Youth team on Recast Tuesday on 12:39 - Dec 21 with 1985 views | Northernr |
| Youth team on Recast Tuesday on 12:29 - Dec 21 by silverbirch |
But are they going to leave because we are cat2 and spurs are cat1, or because we are QPR and Spurs are Spurs?
Our advantage is a fast route to first team football and accommodation wouldn’t help with this. |
If it was Cat 1 and Cat 1 though they're not allowed to just turn up and nick players for a pittance. If we're Cat 2 a Cat 1 academy can literally just turn up, say I'm having him, and we get the square root of fck all for it - as happened with the goalkeeper who was playing for Spurs last night. | | | |
| Youth team on Recast Tuesday on 12:57 - Dec 21 with 1930 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
| Youth team on Recast Tuesday on 12:39 - Dec 21 by Northernr |
If it was Cat 1 and Cat 1 though they're not allowed to just turn up and nick players for a pittance. If we're Cat 2 a Cat 1 academy can literally just turn up, say I'm having him, and we get the square root of fck all for it - as happened with the goalkeeper who was playing for Spurs last night. |
What I dont understand though is if the clubs philosophy is to buy low and sell high coupled with bringing youth players through then why hasn't the club become Cat 1?
I dont see how how you can plan to have youth players coming through and then hopefully selling them for big money if the best ones have already left for a big fat zero! Just seems plain daft to not be Cat 1. | | | |
| Youth team on Recast Tuesday on 13:03 - Dec 21 with 1913 views | Northernr |
| Youth team on Recast Tuesday on 12:57 - Dec 21 by Wilkinswatercarrier |
What I dont understand though is if the clubs philosophy is to buy low and sell high coupled with bringing youth players through then why hasn't the club become Cat 1?
I dont see how how you can plan to have youth players coming through and then hopefully selling them for big money if the best ones have already left for a big fat zero! Just seems plain daft to not be Cat 1. |
Pass.
As it is now, literally, Spurs could ring us this morning, say they quite fancy Kolli, and just have him, for a tiny fee that barely makes it worth the hassle, and they could take him just on the off chance, sling him on the pile with the rest in case he makes it.
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| Youth team on Recast Tuesday on 13:11 - Dec 21 with 1883 views | MrSheen |
| Youth team on Recast Tuesday on 21:49 - Dec 20 by dmm |
Kolli is easy to spot on the field of play!
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Valderrama highlights, go on lad! |  | | |
| Youth team on Recast Tuesday on 13:32 - Dec 21 with 1824 views | QPR_Jim |
| Youth team on Recast Tuesday on 13:03 - Dec 21 by Northernr |
Pass.
As it is now, literally, Spurs could ring us this morning, say they quite fancy Kolli, and just have him, for a tiny fee that barely makes it worth the hassle, and they could take him just on the off chance, sling him on the pile with the rest in case he makes it.
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I assume they would need to agree this with the player first.
If the player said he wanted to leave for a Cat 1 club because it's better for his career the more we beat cat 1 clubs the more we can prove that they're no better because of the status. We should be able to put together a half decent reason to stay.
I remember them talking about changing from Cat 1 to Cat 2 with the plans for Warren Farm but did they rule out Cat 1 at Heston? It seems to have more space and potential for an accommodation block |  | | |
| Youth team on Recast Tuesday on 13:38 - Dec 21 with 1797 views | aston_hoop |
Big up Kolli namechecking Adel Taarabt in this piece as a player he admires
https://www.qpr.co.uk/news/under-18s-news/one-of-r-own-rayan-kolli-100522/
I think the most important thing for these lads now is seeing a pathway to the first team, I suppose Heston helps with that since some of them have already been training with the first team but next we need to be the club that give these lads minutes. Right now 10-15 minutes of Kolli off the bench occasionally has to be more beneficial than giving George Thomas more time or indeed Mide Shodipo |  |
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| Youth team on Recast Tuesday on 13:41 - Dec 21 with 1789 views | TK1 |
| Youth team on Recast Tuesday on 11:32 - Dec 21 by BrianMcCarthy |
They can't sign pro contracts until they're 16? Or maybe 17.
Sorry, can't remember which. |
Need to be careful with this. Signing promising youth players is one of the factors that sunk the club under Clive Berlin in the Chris Wright era. All those players now know their worth. The pathway at QPR has to be the lure, not the contract - if they opt to go to Spurs for money but a much less certain pathway, fair dinkum. Probably not for QPR anyway. I suppose that's a benefit of having a DOF and Ramsey, etc, rather than Clive Berlin deciding.
Berlin panicked in '97 and tied loads of players who never made to long contracts, meaning there was no room to sign the players we needed when it all went tits up. The board thought the youth players of the time would all turn out to be Gallen or Dichio, but they were Mark Perry at best (a very good u18, too).
This from the Independent in 2001: According to Davies, the salary deals for players were, simply, too much, and for too long. Most players were on five-year deals. Fifteen youth team players were on full-time salaries, with several being paid £50,000-£60,000 a year and three or four on over £100,000 a year. | | | |
| Youth team on Recast Tuesday on 13:44 - Dec 21 with 1777 views | Northernr |
| Youth team on Recast Tuesday on 13:41 - Dec 21 by TK1 |
Need to be careful with this. Signing promising youth players is one of the factors that sunk the club under Clive Berlin in the Chris Wright era. All those players now know their worth. The pathway at QPR has to be the lure, not the contract - if they opt to go to Spurs for money but a much less certain pathway, fair dinkum. Probably not for QPR anyway. I suppose that's a benefit of having a DOF and Ramsey, etc, rather than Clive Berlin deciding.
Berlin panicked in '97 and tied loads of players who never made to long contracts, meaning there was no room to sign the players we needed when it all went tits up. The board thought the youth players of the time would all turn out to be Gallen or Dichio, but they were Mark Perry at best (a very good u18, too).
This from the Independent in 2001: According to Davies, the salary deals for players were, simply, too much, and for too long. Most players were on five-year deals. Fifteen youth team players were on full-time salaries, with several being paid £50,000-£60,000 a year and three or four on over £100,000 a year. |
Yeh Richard Graham, Mario Lusardi, all the greats. | | | |
| Youth team on Recast Tuesday on 14:04 - Dec 21 with 1702 views | aston_hoop |
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| Youth team on Recast Tuesday on 14:09 - Dec 21 with 1697 views | The_Beast1976 |
I thought I read somewhere that whilst the construction and infrastructure costs of setting up the Cat 1 academy fall outside of FFP, the running costs of the academy then get caught by the costs which count towards FPP? If that is correct then it basically means that whilst owners could spend money building the academy, FFP means that it's then of little use because of the running costs counting towards FFP. Yet another thing the Prem forced on the EFL for a few bob in their back pocket (thereby meaning hardly any other clubs outside of the Prem can set themselves up for a sustainable future). Another stitch up basically. | | | |
| Youth team on Recast Tuesday on 14:48 - Dec 21 with 1609 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Youth team on Recast Tuesday on 14:04 - Dec 21 by aston_hoop |
For anyone who hasn't seen them
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Brilliant!
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| Youth team on Recast Tuesday on 14:50 - Dec 21 with 1606 views | MedwayR |
I do wonder if we'll opt to go Cat 1 in a few years, I know Charlton Athletic are gearing up for Cat 1 status and if they're doing it then it might get to a point where we have to go Cat 1 just to compete with clubs of a similar size to us. |  |
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| Youth team on Recast Tuesday on 15:22 - Dec 21 with 1518 views | BAWHoops |
Nothing really to add except the number 4 (Shannon Brown?) is one of the smallest things I've seen on a football field! |  |
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