| London ULEZ, who can afford it now 10:03 - Nov 25 with 35391 views | RangersDave |
Just announced that ULEZ in the smoke is going to get bigger, and expanded to cover all of London.
WTF?
Up here in Manchester it will happen soon, making average Joe and Josephine pay to take their car past the boundary, which extends to the border with the M6!
all in all, what a sh1t show. [Post edited 25 Nov 2022 10:23]
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| London ULEZ, who can afford it now on 22:14 - Aug 17 with 3517 views | lightwaterhoop |
| London ULEZ, who can afford it now on 21:08 - Aug 17 by Hunterhoop |
Quite. I sometimes wonder if these conspiracy theorists have ever actually met a CEO, an MP, a member of govt, etc, etc.
They’re most as insecure and individually powerless as the rest of us. More insecure even. And usually more narcissistic.
They’re too busy competing with each other to ever form a collective “they” with some evil agenda, and too incompetent to achieve anything with it.
Most government policy is with two eyes firmly fixed on the short term of tomorrow morning. Votes and polls and the media.
Most CEOs simply care about their own companies dividend if a plc and, if a limited company, the valuation. And most C-suite are over promoted simply on the 2 yr merrygoround because they get found out in that time. Some network really hard to get on remuneration committees, which is the ultimate in back scratching, corporate corruption, but nothing to do with a shadowy “they”.
The structure, competence and organisation simply isn’t there to form an effective “they”. It’s a bit like religion though, some people are more comforted believing in it than realising there isn’t really anyone at the wheel and everyone is only out for their own wealth or power, as much as they can muster. |
I'm sure your right but the ' they' people refer to are the people who' pull the strings' of the elected politicians ie the WEF,EU,UN,IMF etc etc.The last paragraph of your post is i believe with respect wrong. |  | | |
| London ULEZ, who can afford it now on 09:29 - Aug 18 with 3381 views | baz_qpr |
| London ULEZ, who can afford it now on 21:32 - Aug 17 by BlackCrowe |
I know so many (including me to a lesser extent) don't go into London because of this. The 15 minute zone/anti car policy/train strikes etc only really benefits Amazon shopping and streaming platforms.
The theatres and restaurants are busy at the moment and god they should be, it's tourist season. The insane discount emails will be back in September - 2 for 1 tickets, 50% off meals etc.
London used to serve it's residents, home counties nights out, workers, and course tourists....now it just serves it's residents and tourists. The home counties crew don't go in much any more and workers are at the very most in 50% of the time....everything is designed to penalise through tax and fine (Ulez, congestion charge, insane road design) and making it a fcking hassle and expense
You can blame online shopping, but London should be competing favourably with it...shopping in special destination places to be different stuff and have an experience, from Selfridges to Portabello/Brick Lane markets - used to be a thrill now it's just a ball-ache, so the scum that is Amazon wins and Khan puts up taxes and fines to compensate. It's so badly thought through and all too depressing.
And it's the same for Kingston....someone commented earlier on this thread that it's amazing for eating etc....it really really isn't (it actually never has been), standard depressing mass catering chain stuff that just about works for some, zero independent shops left and a creeping tattiness taking hold...hell even John Lewis (a middle class magnet for in and out of town residents) is close to shutting down (i know this to be true, not that i ever went there much). It's unloved. All caused imo by councils killing accessibility to fund their agendas. Same as London.
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Re Kingston, I don't think much of that is true, Natterjacks etc are all still there, as is Banquet records who run the most ridiculous gigs at Przym on a Thursday there is a thriving antiques market, new Curzon cinema, restaurants down by the river etc. And this summer its been busier than pre pandemic every time I've been in |  | | |
| London ULEZ, who can afford it now on 12:50 - Aug 18 with 3304 views | baz_qpr |
| London ULEZ, who can afford it now on 22:14 - Aug 17 by lightwaterhoop |
I'm sure your right but the ' they' people refer to are the people who' pull the strings' of the elected politicians ie the WEF,EU,UN,IMF etc etc.The last paragraph of your post is i believe with respect wrong. |
I'm sorry I do find this laughable,
Anyone that's worked in any organisation of any size knows it just impossible for people or individuals "to pull strings" at best its organised chaos. Just get 10 people in a room and try and get them to agree on something or keep a secret.
The whole conspiracy (and religions well) for that matter is based on the premise that there is some controlling hand whether it be God, Jesus, Bill Gates, George Soros etc etc. The reality is no one has control over anything unless you live in a totalitarian state and even that is pretty tenuous. Life and the world is chaotic and random. Yes there is influence of ideas, common interests and a herd mentality to follow notions. However the UNs role is to avoid is to avoid armed conflict the IMF to maintain financial stability in the markets The WEF is an event with an event director a steering group that will set an agenda for the talks they are event organisers.
But there is no secret government. There is however a number of grifters selling health supplements, influential billionaires such as the Koch brothers as well nation states such Russia and china funding and running social media bot farms and factories in whose financial, political or national interest it is to sow discord and chaos and distrust of institution in the west and couple that with Social media AI algorithms that understand that outrage and conflict generate the most clicks and therefore revenue, pushing this BS | | | |
| London ULEZ, who can afford it now on 13:40 - Aug 18 with 3254 views | izlingtonhoop |
| London ULEZ, who can afford it now on 12:50 - Aug 18 by baz_qpr |
I'm sorry I do find this laughable,
Anyone that's worked in any organisation of any size knows it just impossible for people or individuals "to pull strings" at best its organised chaos. Just get 10 people in a room and try and get them to agree on something or keep a secret.
The whole conspiracy (and religions well) for that matter is based on the premise that there is some controlling hand whether it be God, Jesus, Bill Gates, George Soros etc etc. The reality is no one has control over anything unless you live in a totalitarian state and even that is pretty tenuous. Life and the world is chaotic and random. Yes there is influence of ideas, common interests and a herd mentality to follow notions. However the UNs role is to avoid is to avoid armed conflict the IMF to maintain financial stability in the markets The WEF is an event with an event director a steering group that will set an agenda for the talks they are event organisers.
But there is no secret government. There is however a number of grifters selling health supplements, influential billionaires such as the Koch brothers as well nation states such Russia and china funding and running social media bot farms and factories in whose financial, political or national interest it is to sow discord and chaos and distrust of institution in the west and couple that with Social media AI algorithms that understand that outrage and conflict generate the most clicks and therefore revenue, pushing this BS |
"Just get 10 people in a room and try and get them to agree on something or keep a secret."
Exactly the thought I had when considering the notion of a secret world dominating cabal.
In this country we have a ruling party torn spart by factions tryna out-nasty each other. And a nominally socialist opposition riven by a leader who wants to cleanse the party of any tint of socialism.
And some people believe there's a group of Mr Burns led fat cats who have a common aim?
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| London ULEZ, who can afford it now on 11:26 - Aug 26 with 3066 views | Sonofpugwash |
"Blade Runners" have already disabled 387 Ulez cameras apparently.
Warning stickers put on camera poles.
Latest tactic not destroying but using long poles to push cameras upwards.
"Your move creep" |  |
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| London ULEZ, who can afford it now on 11:49 - Aug 26 with 3021 views | PlanetHonneywood |
When it's all said and done: the planet's health remains in a perilous state of terminal decline. For which its too late to reverse much of what's coming in the next few years.
Earth is a beautiful place. Its really very sad. |  |
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| London ULEZ, who can afford it now on 18:29 - Aug 29 with 2630 views | hubble |
I saw a piece somewhere recently about a court ruling that because none of the ULEZ zone signs inform drivers they will be fined if they enter the zone, they are not legal and any fine can be challenged.
It's a mess. And apparently pollution levels are way worse on the tube than on the roads. Go figure. |  |
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| London ULEZ, who can afford it now on 20:03 - Aug 29 with 2496 views | Sonofpugwash |
| London ULEZ, who can afford it now on 11:49 - Aug 26 by PlanetHonneywood |
When it's all said and done: the planet's health remains in a perilous state of terminal decline. For which its too late to reverse much of what's coming in the next few years.
Earth is a beautiful place. Its really very sad. |
Yep Ulez is magic,bad air won't blow in from outside London.
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| London ULEZ, who can afford it now on 20:26 - Aug 29 with 2454 views | Juzzie |
| London ULEZ, who can afford it now on 20:03 - Aug 29 by Sonofpugwash |
Yep Ulez is magic,bad air won't blow in from outside London.
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If it does it’ll get charged £12.50 too. |  | | |
| London ULEZ, who can afford it now on 21:16 - Aug 29 with 2350 views | Lblock |
Great.
So first you've got to make a profit
Then you need to wait 18 months to get it back as a tax deduction.
Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm |  |
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| London ULEZ, who can afford it now (n/t) on 21:43 - Aug 29 with 2285 views | queensparker |
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| London ULEZ, who can afford it now on 22:23 - Aug 29 with 2189 views | HAYESBOY |
Only farts before 2005 will get charged. |  |
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| London ULEZ, who can afford it now on 10:04 - Aug 30 with 1945 views | derbyhoop |
| London ULEZ, who can afford it now on 15:07 - Aug 16 by loftboy |
How can ULEZ make a difference if you can still drive cars that don’t meet clean air standards into the zone as long as you pay £12.50! As I said previously if they were serious about it they would ban them full stop, but there’s no money in that. |
Surely the aim is to discourage people from using non ULEZ compliant vehicles. 50% of Londoners don't own a car. Of those who do the majority are ULEZ compliant.
100% of Londoners have to breathe the air.
Of course, incentives to encourage pollution awareness could be improved. Better scrappage incentives and improved public transport would all help. I understand that money raises from ULEZ is intended to improve public transport. At the next mayoral elections Londoners can decide if enough has been done. |  |
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| London ULEZ, who can afford it now on 10:27 - Aug 30 with 1905 views | PlanetHonneywood |
| London ULEZ, who can afford it now on 18:29 - Aug 29 by hubble |
I saw a piece somewhere recently about a court ruling that because none of the ULEZ zone signs inform drivers they will be fined if they enter the zone, they are not legal and any fine can be challenged.
It's a mess. And apparently pollution levels are way worse on the tube than on the roads. Go figure. |
Be interesting to know the rationale for this decision, especially for those among our congregation flashed doing say, 52mph in a the presence of a big red round sign with 40 written in large black font, but which does not follow with the full range of legal consequences for disobeying it.... | |
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| London ULEZ, who can afford it now on 10:41 - Aug 30 with 1865 views | Watford_Ranger |
| London ULEZ, who can afford it now on 10:27 - Aug 30 by PlanetHonneywood |
Be interesting to know the rationale for this decision, especially for those among our congregation flashed doing say, 52mph in a the presence of a big red round sign with 40 written in large black font, but which does not follow with the full range of legal consequences for disobeying it.... |
I’m only guessing but on the Dartford toll etc. it tells you the £2.50 fee due by the end of the next day but not the fine for not paying. Pretty sure the congestion charge signs don’t tell you the cost. People can’t really argue they’ve not been made aware of it given every lunatic within 300 miles has latched onto it and the usual half of the press have blown it up into some huge issue which is going to end life as we know it. | | | |
| London ULEZ, who can afford it now on 10:56 - Aug 30 with 1839 views | Toast_R |
| London ULEZ, who can afford it now on 10:04 - Aug 30 by derbyhoop |
Surely the aim is to discourage people from using non ULEZ compliant vehicles. 50% of Londoners don't own a car. Of those who do the majority are ULEZ compliant.
100% of Londoners have to breathe the air.
Of course, incentives to encourage pollution awareness could be improved. Better scrappage incentives and improved public transport would all help. I understand that money raises from ULEZ is intended to improve public transport. At the next mayoral elections Londoners can decide if enough has been done. |
My brother in law is now forced to drive his even more polluting V8 Engine petrol Land Rover because being considered a Classic, it's tax exempt. His less polluting car is now on his drive doing nothing because it's non ULEZ compliant.
Tell me its about clean air. [Post edited 30 Aug 2023 10:58]
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| London ULEZ, who can afford it now on 11:35 - Aug 30 with 1717 views | Bluce_Ree |
I got done by a speed camera heading up the M42 last week. I was doing 63mph but I was in an arbitrary 50mph bit of the motorway where there was allegedly construction going on. Didn't see one guy in a yellow jacket on that whole stretch and this was mid-morning on a Friday.
Bitches.
On the plus side I got offered a speed awareness course which can be done online. That'll do. It's 95 quid though. C*nts. But anyway, it'll be better than last time (10+ years ago) where I had to actually drive around the guy's car at 30mph on like country roads and had seven cars behind me all thinking I'm the c*nt because I'm having to drive like a chump. |  |
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| London ULEZ, who can afford it now on 12:36 - Aug 30 with 1579 views | Esox_Lucius |
| London ULEZ, who can afford it now on 21:16 - Aug 29 by Lblock |
Great.
So first you've got to make a profit
Then you need to wait 18 months to get it back as a tax deduction.
Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm |
Every silver lining has a cloud for you doesn't it? |  |
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| London ULEZ, who can afford it now on 13:58 - Aug 30 with 1499 views | PlanetHonneywood |
| London ULEZ, who can afford it now on 11:35 - Aug 30 by Bluce_Ree |
I got done by a speed camera heading up the M42 last week. I was doing 63mph but I was in an arbitrary 50mph bit of the motorway where there was allegedly construction going on. Didn't see one guy in a yellow jacket on that whole stretch and this was mid-morning on a Friday.
Bitches.
On the plus side I got offered a speed awareness course which can be done online. That'll do. It's 95 quid though. C*nts. But anyway, it'll be better than last time (10+ years ago) where I had to actually drive around the guy's car at 30mph on like country roads and had seven cars behind me all thinking I'm the c*nt because I'm having to drive like a chump. |
Good to read you've got over it. | |
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| London ULEZ, who can afford it now on 14:32 - Aug 30 with 1460 views | Lblock |
| London ULEZ, who can afford it now on 12:36 - Aug 30 by Esox_Lucius |
Every silver lining has a cloud for you doesn't it? |
Yes and most of them are pi$$ing down acid rain on my bald head | |
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| London ULEZ, who can afford it now on 14:57 - Aug 30 with 1429 views | Lblock |
| London ULEZ, who can afford it now on 10:04 - Aug 30 by derbyhoop |
Surely the aim is to discourage people from using non ULEZ compliant vehicles. 50% of Londoners don't own a car. Of those who do the majority are ULEZ compliant.
100% of Londoners have to breathe the air.
Of course, incentives to encourage pollution awareness could be improved. Better scrappage incentives and improved public transport would all help. I understand that money raises from ULEZ is intended to improve public transport. At the next mayoral elections Londoners can decide if enough has been done. |
So hardly any cars will actually be paying this tax....... seems to be the current mantra?
Okay so Khan the Climate Warrior has committed circa £200mill of spend on something that a tiny portion of people will generate 16 million payments to cover the capital outlay?
For a one year payback thats 43,835 journeys a day seven days a week including all high days and holidays.
This excludes the running costs.
Can you hear the bells on the other one?
Why people cannot see the end game I have no idea.
Many of us may well be sitting there all smug that our cars are compliant but come back to me in 6 months to a years time after the "still unacceptable levels of congestion" line is rolled out just after he's re-elected. If you drive in London you WILL be charged at some point in the future - if not I'll eat that old hat of mine. | |
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| London ULEZ, who can afford it now on 15:02 - Aug 30 with 1422 views | loftboy |
| London ULEZ, who can afford it now on 14:57 - Aug 30 by Lblock |
So hardly any cars will actually be paying this tax....... seems to be the current mantra?
Okay so Khan the Climate Warrior has committed circa £200mill of spend on something that a tiny portion of people will generate 16 million payments to cover the capital outlay?
For a one year payback thats 43,835 journeys a day seven days a week including all high days and holidays.
This excludes the running costs.
Can you hear the bells on the other one?
Why people cannot see the end game I have no idea.
Many of us may well be sitting there all smug that our cars are compliant but come back to me in 6 months to a years time after the "still unacceptable levels of congestion" line is rolled out just after he's re-elected. If you drive in London you WILL be charged at some point in the future - if not I'll eat that old hat of mine. |
This is exactly.Money making and nothing else. |  |
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| London ULEZ, who can afford it now on 15:05 - Aug 30 with 1414 views | Lblock |
| London ULEZ, who can afford it now on 15:29 - Aug 16 by Lblock |
For every scientist doing funded research backing up your position I can find one backing up the reverse…… they may be funded by the fossil fuel mafia who are trying to kill us all.
Don’t get me started on that huge fraud that is Thunderberg.
I’m not disputing what carbon does to the atmosphere - it does in fact actually need some you know?
I’m also hugely behind doing whatever we can to stop pollution, especially in respect of what we tip into the sea INCLUDING oil spills etc.
The globe changing climate is a fact that has been happening for literally millions of years.
Emissions from cars are a pin prick and the climate position is being over egged by loads - serial campaigners just like Sky have jumped on the bandwagon
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Just one final thing before I shut up on this (I promise!!!)
It’s one thing funding someone to do research to underpin your position / justify your actions; but when that blows up in your face you end up looking very, very silly:-
Before widening the scope of what amounts to a punitive tax on cars and London’s poorest, the Mayor promised a public “consultation”. But when 58,000 people and organisations responded with a clear majority of 59% opposed, Sadiq Khan simply ignored the result, inflaming London’s tradesmen, workers and the elderly and disabled who are completely reliant on their vehicles.
It has now been revealed by the Daily Telegraph that Shirley Rodrigues, the city’s Deputy Mayor, wrote to Professor Chris Griffiths, of Queen Mary University of London, to ask if he could “reword” the conclusions of a scientific study that found “no evidence” of health benefits to children’s lungs. Rodrigues complained: “It reads like Lez (low emissions zones) or similar have no impact at all.”
Prof Griffiths refused the request: “Apologies - it’s difficult to alter the sentence you refer to as it’s what we set out to look for but didn’t find.”
The study, which was carried out in collaboration with Imperial College and King’s College, looked at more than 2,000 primary school children before and after the implementation of London’s Low Emission Zone in 2008. It was published unchanged in “The Lancet Public Health”, concluding: “Despite these improvements in air quality, there was no evidence of improvements in the proportion of children with small lungs or asthma symptoms over this period.”
The standoff between Londoners and their Mayor now threatens to become a major political issue at the 2024 election. No. 10 has even sought legal advice on using a legal loophole to the Greater London Authority Act (1999) to block a London mayor’s policy if the “transport strategy (or any part of it) is inconsistent with national policies relating to transport”.
It should come as no surprise, however, that government lawyers - long used to overruling the hapless politicians - have advised against because the UK Government itself is promoting air pollution improvement moves, meaning the Ulez would not be “inconsistent”.
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| London ULEZ, who can afford it now on 15:14 - Aug 30 with 1395 views | SheffieldHoop |
| London ULEZ, who can afford it now on 10:56 - Aug 30 by Toast_R |
My brother in law is now forced to drive his even more polluting V8 Engine petrol Land Rover because being considered a Classic, it's tax exempt. His less polluting car is now on his drive doing nothing because it's non ULEZ compliant.
Tell me its about clean air. [Post edited 30 Aug 2023 10:58]
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Just locked up a mid-80s Saab and it will be back out in a couple of years. Chap I'm storing it for is now using an early XJS as his daily until the Saab becomes exempt.
We breathe in all this filthy, polluted air all day every day, and yet life expectancy continues to rise. We're commonly living way beyond what our bodies can actually tolerate.
Just seems like an additional tax on those not positioned to avoid it. The impact on air quality will be negligible. The impact on life expectancy will be nil. |  |
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