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My 50th birthday match thread v Wazza's Wawwiors, the Rams on 17:00 - Jan 23 by Nov77
think you need to look at the table again!
Nov 77 - You're quite right. Thanks Never trust the BBC 'As it stands' table at the time - 7 mins after the match finished. I thought it looked too good. So QPR 17th spot - correct. 7 points clear of the relegation zone - with Rotherham in 22nd - having 3 games in hand. 2 points clear of Derby - same games. And 6 points from 3 games is still ok.
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My 50th birthday match thread v Wazza's Wawwiors, the Rams on 18:43 - Jan 23 with 1673 views
My 50th birthday match thread v Wazza's Wawwiors, the Rams on 18:38 - Jan 23 by Greenbay
Nov 77 - You're quite right. Thanks Never trust the BBC 'As it stands' table at the time - 7 mins after the match finished. I thought it looked too good. So QPR 17th spot - correct. 7 points clear of the relegation zone - with Rotherham in 22nd - having 3 games in hand. 2 points clear of Derby - same games. And 6 points from 3 games is still ok.
That was a horrible result today.... and a pony performance all round.
Scooters, Tunes, Trainers and QPR.
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My 50th birthday match thread v Wazza's Wawwiors, the Rams on 18:44 - Jan 23 with 1678 views
My 50th birthday match thread v Wazza's Wawwiors, the Rams on 17:28 - Jan 23 by paulparker
I think we are going down it’s all self inflicted Why take off Austin with 10 to go ? Why bring on Albert with no one to cross to ? Why is Willock only lasting 60 minutes ? Today was the day we could and should of been 8 points clear of Derby, we have put ourselves right back in the crap today with that crap display , especially 1st half If we insist on playing two full backs who cannot cross a ball then go full on 4-4-2 with Albert & Willock as wingers and tell the fullbacks to sit on the halfway line
442 isn't a bad shout now we've gone more direct
Puts more players in their correct positions than 352 does
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My 50th birthday match thread v Wazza's Wawwiors, the Rams on 20:14 - Jan 23 with 1505 views
I get the shout for a pen, but still don't think it is - handball law is so complicated I can understand why many think it was.
However, our TWO cautions
1) Late tackle by Geoff and he ended up studding the bloke's ankle 2) Kane, wrong side of his man, tried to pull him back when that didn't work, he kicked him
how on earth anyone can say they are not yellows is beyond me.
Their ONE caution - Shimmin takes out Chair - clearest yellow of the day.
What else? No other challenges in the game anything like those 3?!
My 50th birthday match thread v Wazza's Wawwiors, the Rams on 11:45 - Jan 24 by PinnerPaul
I get the shout for a pen, but still don't think it is - handball law is so complicated I can understand why many think it was.
However, our TWO cautions
1) Late tackle by Geoff and he ended up studding the bloke's ankle 2) Kane, wrong side of his man, tried to pull him back when that didn't work, he kicked him
how on earth anyone can say they are not yellows is beyond me.
Their ONE caution - Shimmin takes out Chair - clearest yellow of the day.
What else? No other challenges in the game anything like those 3?!
My 50th birthday match thread v Wazza's Wawwiors, the Rams on 17:37 - Jan 23 by OldPedro
Niko looks like he needs some time to develop - unfortunately we don't have the options within the squad to give him that time. Lee Wallace has been a huge disappointment since he has been at Rangers - hardly ever fit and makes huge errors when he plays.
Definitely need someone in at left back
This.
We need a better left back this year but I'm not concerned about the 4 year contract, I doubt he's in the top ten of wages at the club so feels like a low risk move which could pay off if he does make progress.
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My 50th birthday match thread v Wazza's Wawwiors, the Rams on 14:15 - Jan 24 with 1066 views
My 50th birthday match thread v Wazza's Wawwiors, the Rams on 11:45 - Jan 24 by PinnerPaul
I get the shout for a pen, but still don't think it is - handball law is so complicated I can understand why many think it was.
However, our TWO cautions
1) Late tackle by Geoff and he ended up studding the bloke's ankle 2) Kane, wrong side of his man, tried to pull him back when that didn't work, he kicked him
how on earth anyone can say they are not yellows is beyond me.
Their ONE caution - Shimmin takes out Chair - clearest yellow of the day.
What else? No other challenges in the game anything like those 3?!
Agree with you on the two cautions, but you are clearly protecting your fellow refs on the pen shout. An absolute stonewaller. VAR wouid have taken 0.2 seconds to give that. Nothing natural about the hand position and clearly, clearly, clearly handball.
How on earth anyone, let alone a qualified ref, doesn't see that as a pen is beyond me.
See above - just saying that's not the handball law - its the BBC cutting and pasting bits of it!
To illustrate how messy it is is - did anyone see the Plymouth (non) handball v Sheff Utd?
Shot from at least 20 yards away, Plymouth player puts both hands above head, ball hits both and .......no penalty, even AFTER VAR review - utterly utterly bonkers!
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My 50th birthday match thread v Wazza's Wawwiors, the Rams on 15:49 - Jan 24 with 985 views
My 50th birthday match thread v Wazza's Wawwiors, the Rams on 14:15 - Jan 24 by davman
Agree with you on the two cautions, but you are clearly protecting your fellow refs on the pen shout. An absolute stonewaller. VAR wouid have taken 0.2 seconds to give that. Nothing natural about the hand position and clearly, clearly, clearly handball.
How on earth anyone, let alone a qualified ref, doesn't see that as a pen is beyond me.
Right you've goaded me into it, NOTHING in laws about arm 'away from the body', NOTHING in laws about arms in an unnatural position - that's all from the TV, here IS the ACTUAL law
the hand/arm has made their body unnaturally bigger - the hand/arm is above/beyond their shoulder level (unless the player deliberately plays the ball which then touches their hand/arm) The above offences apply even if the ball touches a player’s hand/arm directly from the head or body (including the foot) of another player who is close. Except for the above offences, it is not an offence if the ball touches a player’s hand/arm:
- directly from the player’s own head or body (including the foot)
See where I'm coming from now perhaps?
PS I'm sure a SG2 referee needs MY (Level 7) protection!
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My 50th birthday match thread v Wazza's Wawwiors, the Rams on 16:05 - Jan 24 with 963 views
My 50th birthday match thread v Wazza's Wawwiors, the Rams on 15:49 - Jan 24 by PinnerPaul
Right you've goaded me into it, NOTHING in laws about arm 'away from the body', NOTHING in laws about arms in an unnatural position - that's all from the TV, here IS the ACTUAL law
the hand/arm has made their body unnaturally bigger - the hand/arm is above/beyond their shoulder level (unless the player deliberately plays the ball which then touches their hand/arm) The above offences apply even if the ball touches a player’s hand/arm directly from the head or body (including the foot) of another player who is close. Except for the above offences, it is not an offence if the ball touches a player’s hand/arm:
- directly from the player’s own head or body (including the foot)
See where I'm coming from now perhaps?
PS I'm sure a SG2 referee needs MY (Level 7) protection!
You are just cutting and pasting snippets, but now that I have read the whole thing, I can see why it is confusing. As with most things in this mutli-billion pound industry, the authorities don't help themselves. So many words, so little sense...
It is an offence if a player:
deliberately touches the ball with their hand/arm, including moving the hand/arm towards the ball scores in the opponents’ goal directly from their hand/arm, even if accidental, including by the goalkeeper after the ball has touched their or a team-mate’s hand/arm, even if accidental, immediately: scores in the opponents’ goal creates a goal-scoring opportunity touches the ball with their hand/arm when: the hand/arm has made their body unnaturally bigger the hand/arm is above/beyond their shoulder level (unless the player deliberately plays the ball which then touches their hand/arm
"the hand/arm has made their body unnaturally bigger" - what a crock of shite. Whatever I try, my arms and hands can never make my body "unnaturally bigger". Everything is the same external volume, just arranged differently. Diving full length does not make a body unnaturally bigger; it is the same volume no matter what.
Still a stonewall pen in my eyes. His hand stopped the ball running into a dangerous area.
So, do you think that Morrison's one for Cardiff wasn't a pen?
Pause the video when the ball hits his arm and you’ll see there was no way the ref could have seen it, he had two players in his line of sight. As for the Lino, that’s a different matter.
My 50th birthday match thread v Wazza's Wawwiors, the Rams on 16:05 - Jan 24 by davman
You are just cutting and pasting snippets, but now that I have read the whole thing, I can see why it is confusing. As with most things in this mutli-billion pound industry, the authorities don't help themselves. So many words, so little sense...
It is an offence if a player:
deliberately touches the ball with their hand/arm, including moving the hand/arm towards the ball scores in the opponents’ goal directly from their hand/arm, even if accidental, including by the goalkeeper after the ball has touched their or a team-mate’s hand/arm, even if accidental, immediately: scores in the opponents’ goal creates a goal-scoring opportunity touches the ball with their hand/arm when: the hand/arm has made their body unnaturally bigger the hand/arm is above/beyond their shoulder level (unless the player deliberately plays the ball which then touches their hand/arm
"the hand/arm has made their body unnaturally bigger" - what a crock of shite. Whatever I try, my arms and hands can never make my body "unnaturally bigger". Everything is the same external volume, just arranged differently. Diving full length does not make a body unnaturally bigger; it is the same volume no matter what.
Still a stonewall pen in my eyes. His hand stopped the ball running into a dangerous area.
So, do you think that Morrison's one for Cardiff wasn't a pen?
Well Dav - as you know I was only a lower league referee but that is a penalty without a shadow of doubt. No clarity problem for me. Standard of officialdom in championship not that great in my opinion - hasn’t been for a little while.
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I never lie but I don't always tell the truth
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My 50th birthday match thread v Wazza's Wawwiors, the Rams on 15:42 - Jan 25 with 762 views
My 50th birthday match thread v Wazza's Wawwiors, the Rams on 16:05 - Jan 24 by davman
You are just cutting and pasting snippets, but now that I have read the whole thing, I can see why it is confusing. As with most things in this mutli-billion pound industry, the authorities don't help themselves. So many words, so little sense...
It is an offence if a player:
deliberately touches the ball with their hand/arm, including moving the hand/arm towards the ball scores in the opponents’ goal directly from their hand/arm, even if accidental, including by the goalkeeper after the ball has touched their or a team-mate’s hand/arm, even if accidental, immediately: scores in the opponents’ goal creates a goal-scoring opportunity touches the ball with their hand/arm when: the hand/arm has made their body unnaturally bigger the hand/arm is above/beyond their shoulder level (unless the player deliberately plays the ball which then touches their hand/arm
"the hand/arm has made their body unnaturally bigger" - what a crock of shite. Whatever I try, my arms and hands can never make my body "unnaturally bigger". Everything is the same external volume, just arranged differently. Diving full length does not make a body unnaturally bigger; it is the same volume no matter what.
Still a stonewall pen in my eyes. His hand stopped the ball running into a dangerous area.
So, do you think that Morrison's one for Cardiff wasn't a pen?
1) I only posted the relevant bits of the law - blimey I get called pedantic. It clearly wasn't deliberate and he wasn't scoring a goal so no need for all those bits?
2) I have posted on about 6 threads that I thought the Morrison one was a penalty, in fact my reply to Clive went something like this " How the ref or AR haven't seen that is beyond me"
As I've said before I'm not here to defend referees, just to give my opinion on decisions - don't think I don't scream and shout when I think they've got something wrong - believe me I do - just ask Mrs Pinner!
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My 50th birthday match thread v Wazza's Wawwiors, the Rams on 15:45 - Jan 25 with 749 views
My 50th birthday match thread v Wazza's Wawwiors, the Rams on 15:48 - Jan 25 by OldPedro
Maybe it's the rules then, because if that handball isn't a penalty, we might as well just give up with football.
I do have some sympathy with that.
As I have said before, they have mucked about with the handball law far too much, compounded by trying to fix the 'problem' that Europe and the UK didn't interpret the law the same.
In Europe - touch the ball (accidental or not) and it was given, here you had to practically catch it to give away a pen.
Now we are left with a law that is a) too complicated and b) open to too much 'interpretation'
Can totally see why some (most/!) think that was a pen and wouldn't have been a total shock if given, just personally, based on the law as I see it, don't think it was.
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