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Share sale 11:34 - Jun 3 with 66118 viewsfitzochris

I understand the shares owned by Chris Dunphy, Bill Goodwin and Paul Hazelhurst have been sold to a US-based concern.

Keep an eye on Companies House over the coming weeks.

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Share sale on 11:53 - Jun 3 with 14100 viewsjudd

That's about 30% of issued shares, I reckon.

I wonder if there are others to be snapped up - Jim Marsh, for example?

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Share sale on 12:00 - Jun 3 with 14074 views442Dale

When the shares subject came up a few months back, someone kindly posted a breakdown of who owned them and percentages - anyone know where that is/could it be posted again?

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Share sale on 12:04 - Jun 3 with 14064 viewsjudd

Share sale on 12:00 - Jun 3 by 442Dale

When the shares subject came up a few months back, someone kindly posted a breakdown of who owned them and percentages - anyone know where that is/could it be posted again?


https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/00111019/filing-history

Confirmation statement from June 2019 I think is the relevant document

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Share sale on 12:19 - Jun 3 with 14016 viewsD_Alien

Not being familiar with the machinations involved in shareholdings, would anyone with greater insight like to comment on what possible interest a "US-based concern" might have in holding shares in Rochdale FC/Denehurst Park?

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Share sale on 12:24 - Jun 3 with 14003 viewsjudd

Share sale on 12:19 - Jun 3 by D_Alien

Not being familiar with the machinations involved in shareholdings, would anyone with greater insight like to comment on what possible interest a "US-based concern" might have in holding shares in Rochdale FC/Denehurst Park?


Let's see who they are first, then we can perhaps put some meat on the bones.

Wonder what drove CD, in particular, to sell his shares to an outsider, so to speak?

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Share sale on 12:28 - Jun 3 with 13983 viewsD_Alien

Share sale on 12:24 - Jun 3 by judd

Let's see who they are first, then we can perhaps put some meat on the bones.

Wonder what drove CD, in particular, to sell his shares to an outsider, so to speak?


So the "US-based concern" isn't as yet particularly identifiable in a business sense

But CD and the other former shareholders must know who they are or more importantly, what they're about? Or can shares simply be put on the market and bought by the highest bidder?

As you say, meat on bones...

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Share sale on 12:43 - Jun 3 with 13942 viewsjudd

Share sale on 12:28 - Jun 3 by D_Alien

So the "US-based concern" isn't as yet particularly identifiable in a business sense

But CD and the other former shareholders must know who they are or more importantly, what they're about? Or can shares simply be put on the market and bought by the highest bidder?

As you say, meat on bones...


I expect that the new shareholders will be listed in the confirmation statement due this month at Companies House.

Whether as a corporate body or individuals, who knows?

As for how they were sold - can only speculate. I would imagine the sale of Rochdale shares is a very rare occurrence, probably only ever done between fans of the club in previous years.

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Share sale on 13:12 - Jun 3 with 13858 viewsfitzochris

I would wait until the Companies House statement before even believing it at this stage.

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Share sale on 13:15 - Jun 3 with 13845 viewsColDale

Share sale on 12:00 - Jun 3 by 442Dale

When the shares subject came up a few months back, someone kindly posted a breakdown of who owned them and percentages - anyone know where that is/could it be posted again?


17.1% in total based on last register Ive had
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Share sale on 13:20 - Jun 3 with 13809 viewssandylaner

Someone told me a couple of months ago that he had heard US based people had bought into the club...sounds like there might be something to it.
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Share sale on 13:21 - Jun 3 with 13806 viewstony_roch975

Share sale on 12:00 - Jun 3 by 442Dale

When the shares subject came up a few months back, someone kindly posted a breakdown of who owned them and percentages - anyone know where that is/could it be posted again?


Figures I have as at March are:
Chris Dunphy - 46010
Bill Goodwin - 12600
Paul Hazlehurst -16075
Total 74685 representing 15% of the total

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Share sale on 13:21 - Jun 3 with 13803 viewsSuddenLad

Share sale on 13:12 - Jun 3 by fitzochris

I would wait until the Companies House statement before even believing it at this stage.


Surely you trust your 'sources', so if we now have to wait to see whether it's true, why put it out there if it's not confirmed? It only creates a rumour frenzy.

“It is easier to fool people, than to convince them that they have been fooled”

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Share sale on 13:21 - Jun 3 with 13800 views442Dale

Share sale on 12:04 - Jun 3 by judd

https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/00111019/filing-history

Confirmation statement from June 2019 I think is the relevant document


Think someone went to the trouble of giving a breakdown of the rough percentages that the main shareholders had. Could be imagining it of course! May have a search about later.


Edit. Thanks for the replies, was also looking at where main shareholdings were across the board, not just those of mentioned in the thread, but cheers!
[Post edited 3 Jun 2020 13:24]

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Share sale on 13:28 - Jun 3 with 13757 viewstony_roch975

Share sale on 13:21 - Jun 3 by 442Dale

Think someone went to the trouble of giving a breakdown of the rough percentages that the main shareholders had. Could be imagining it of course! May have a search about later.


Edit. Thanks for the replies, was also looking at where main shareholdings were across the board, not just those of mentioned in the thread, but cheers!
[Post edited 3 Jun 2020 13:24]


Use Judd's file, tick Confirmation Statements Box - select top file (24/6/19)

ps - Board held 37% of shares in March
[Post edited 3 Jun 2020 13:30]

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Share sale on 14:05 - Jun 3 with 13671 viewsfitzochris

Share sale on 13:21 - Jun 3 by SuddenLad

Surely you trust your 'sources', so if we now have to wait to see whether it's true, why put it out there if it's not confirmed? It only creates a rumour frenzy.


Sorry, don’t misunderstand me, Chris Dunphy has definitely sold his shares - to Dan Altman, who bought into Swansea a few years ago.

But there is more that I won’t say until the statement is issued because it may or may not have come to pass.
[Post edited 3 Jun 2020 22:37]

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Share sale on 14:09 - Jun 3 with 13657 views100notout

Share sale on 13:21 - Jun 3 by 442Dale

Think someone went to the trouble of giving a breakdown of the rough percentages that the main shareholders had. Could be imagining it of course! May have a search about later.


Edit. Thanks for the replies, was also looking at where main shareholdings were across the board, not just those of mentioned in the thread, but cheers!
[Post edited 3 Jun 2020 13:24]


New shares by TTNYear 7 Mar 2020 19:46
Apparently new/more shares are being issued from the club... this needs discussing.



Notably David Kilpatrick, Graham Morris and Dale Trust own c67k shares between them which is c13% of the shares in issue

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Share sale on 14:26 - Jun 3 with 13608 viewsAtThePeake

Share sale on 14:05 - Jun 3 by fitzochris

Sorry, don’t misunderstand me, Chris Dunphy has definitely sold his shares - to Dan Altman, who bought into Swansea a few years ago.

But there is more that I won’t say until the statement is issued because it may or may not have come to pass.
[Post edited 3 Jun 2020 22:37]


A few bits about Altman's analyst role at Swansea:

https://trainingground.guru/articles/altman-leaves-swansea-city-after-tumultuous

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/12/29/swansea-still-want-chris-coleman

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/swansea-citys-former-moneyball-anal

https://differentgame.wordpress.com/2019/03/25/dan-altman-interview/

The final question on that bottom link may be of interest...

"Do you want to get back into a football club or are you exploring other avenues now?

It’s no secret that I’m now part of an investment manager called NYK Capital Management, and our goal is to buy a lower-division club in Europe. We have a small group of investors and have been vetting deals for some time now. We think that one of the best ways to monetize analytics is to go to Europe, buy a lower division club and get promoted. We think that’s a great way to create value for investors. We’ve been researching for about a year and fundraising at the same time, and we’re getting close. Obviously, if we complete a transaction, everyone will know about it!"

Tangled up in blue.

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Share sale on 14:33 - Jun 3 with 13582 viewsfitzochris

Share sale on 14:26 - Jun 3 by AtThePeake

A few bits about Altman's analyst role at Swansea:

https://trainingground.guru/articles/altman-leaves-swansea-city-after-tumultuous

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/12/29/swansea-still-want-chris-coleman

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/swansea-citys-former-moneyball-anal

https://differentgame.wordpress.com/2019/03/25/dan-altman-interview/

The final question on that bottom link may be of interest...

"Do you want to get back into a football club or are you exploring other avenues now?

It’s no secret that I’m now part of an investment manager called NYK Capital Management, and our goal is to buy a lower-division club in Europe. We have a small group of investors and have been vetting deals for some time now. We think that one of the best ways to monetize analytics is to go to Europe, buy a lower division club and get promoted. We think that’s a great way to create value for investors. We’ve been researching for about a year and fundraising at the same time, and we’re getting close. Obviously, if we complete a transaction, everyone will know about it!"


Chris Dunphy was talking to Altman as early as while he was still chairman and believes him a very credible investor.

I understand other shareholders have also been in contact with Altman recently.

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Share sale on 14:56 - Jun 3 with 13506 viewsjudd

Share sale on 11:53 - Jun 3 by judd

That's about 30% of issued shares, I reckon.

I wonder if there are others to be snapped up - Jim Marsh, for example?


My bad maths - mixed up the aggregate value with the number allotted.

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Share sale on 14:59 - Jun 3 with 13494 viewsDickster

Share sale on 14:33 - Jun 3 by fitzochris

Chris Dunphy was talking to Altman as early as while he was still chairman and believes him a very credible investor.

I understand other shareholders have also been in contact with Altman recently.


Why the drip feeding of info? You start the post with "US based concern" and slowly reveal the US based concerns ID. Is it for the attention?
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Share sale on 15:00 - Jun 3 with 13484 viewsfitzochris

Share sale on 14:59 - Jun 3 by Dickster

Why the drip feeding of info? You start the post with "US based concern" and slowly reveal the US based concerns ID. Is it for the attention?


Yes. Yes it is. Mama.

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Share sale on 15:00 - Jun 3 with 13483 viewsjudd

Share sale on 14:33 - Jun 3 by fitzochris

Chris Dunphy was talking to Altman as early as while he was still chairman and believes him a very credible investor.

I understand other shareholders have also been in contact with Altman recently.


They have been in contact with him, or he has been in contact with them?

Is there anything in this proposed share issue and restriction of shareholders rights that would be covered at the EGM that relates to a potential takeover/majority shareholding?

I wonder why Altman did not go through with his investment when CD was chairman?

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Share sale on 15:08 - Jun 3 with 13442 viewsfermin

Share sale on 14:26 - Jun 3 by AtThePeake

A few bits about Altman's analyst role at Swansea:

https://trainingground.guru/articles/altman-leaves-swansea-city-after-tumultuous

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/12/29/swansea-still-want-chris-coleman

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/swansea-citys-former-moneyball-anal

https://differentgame.wordpress.com/2019/03/25/dan-altman-interview/

The final question on that bottom link may be of interest...

"Do you want to get back into a football club or are you exploring other avenues now?

It’s no secret that I’m now part of an investment manager called NYK Capital Management, and our goal is to buy a lower-division club in Europe. We have a small group of investors and have been vetting deals for some time now. We think that one of the best ways to monetize analytics is to go to Europe, buy a lower division club and get promoted. We think that’s a great way to create value for investors. We’ve been researching for about a year and fundraising at the same time, and we’re getting close. Obviously, if we complete a transaction, everyone will know about it!"


'We think that one of the best ways to monetize analytics is to go to Europe, buy a lower division club and get promoted. We think that’s a great way to create value for investors.'

Somehow that rings alarm bells with me. I am not sure I want the club to be an investment vehicle and would we really make money in the Championship? It is a big if that we would get there anyway? Wouldn't it be a bit of change in the club culture? Perhaps I misunderstand how these sort of things and we are in a bit of a different financial climate now, I suppose.
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Share sale on 16:18 - Jun 3 with 13272 viewsncfc_chalky

It's got "Munto" written all over it

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Share sale on 16:26 - Jun 3 with 13248 viewsjudd

Share sale on 16:18 - Jun 3 by ncfc_chalky

It's got "Munto" written all over it


How so?

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