| Evil Les leaving? 13:37 - Sep 26 with 7715 views | connell10 |
Possibly for a job with the F.A. |  |
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| Evil Les leaving? on 13:39 - Sep 26 with 4461 views | Northernr |
Love Les, but he's not in Ashworth's league. |  | | |
| Evil Les leaving? on 13:41 - Sep 26 with 4446 views | connell10 |
| Evil Les leaving? on 13:39 - Sep 26 by Northernr |
Love Les, but he's not in Ashworth's league. |
Id rather he stayed to be honest, i think on the whole Les has done a good job and he is also one of my hero,s! | |
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| Evil Les leaving? on 13:42 - Sep 26 with 4435 views | R_from_afar |
The Times' Henry Winter claiming "some within FA" are keen on bringing him in.
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| "Things had started becoming increasingly desperate at Loftus Road but QPR have been handed a massive lifeline and the place has absolutely erupted. it's carnage. It's bedlam. It's 1-1." |
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| Evil Les leaving? on 13:43 - Sep 26 with 4427 views | Northernr |
Be bad news for McClaren. One less person for the Twitter twts to scream about sacking before they get to him. | | | |
| Evil Les leaving? on 13:48 - Sep 26 with 4402 views | SimonJames |
| Evil Les leaving? on 13:43 - Sep 26 by Northernr |
Be bad news for McClaren. One less person for the Twitter twts to scream about sacking before they get to him. |
Maybe they'll make him the new DoF. |  |
| 100% of people who drink water will die. |
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| Evil Les leaving? on 13:58 - Sep 26 with 4339 views | johncharles |
| Evil Les leaving? on 13:42 - Sep 26 by R_from_afar |
The Times' Henry Winter claiming "some within FA" are keen on bringing him in.
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Henry Winter has been known to be wrong.
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| Strong and stable my arse. |
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| Evil Les leaving? on 14:03 - Sep 26 with 4315 views | Dorse |
| Evil Les leaving? on 13:58 - Sep 26 by johncharles |
Henry Winter has been known to be wrong.
Often |
If he ever decides to do a Game Of Thrones-themed porno, he could call it 'Winter Is Coming'.
Just a thought. |  |
| 'What do we want? We don't know! When do we want it? Now!' |
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| Evil Les leaving? on 14:04 - Sep 26 with 4310 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Evil Les leaving? on 13:58 - Sep 26 by johncharles |
Henry Winter has been known to be wrong.
Often |
Let's hope he is.
I think Ferdinand has done a fine job and I wouldn't trust the board to appoint a comparable successor. |  |
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| Evil Les leaving? on 14:26 - Sep 26 with 4212 views | Northernr |
| Evil Les leaving? on 14:04 - Sep 26 by BrianMcCarthy |
Let's hope he is.
I think Ferdinand has done a fine job and I wouldn't trust the board to appoint a comparable successor. |
I don't think they would replace him. We're accelerating back towards 'what manager wants manager gets' model anyway. Ramsay would oversee the academy, McClaren would ascend to manager rather than head coach (which is how he's approached it anyway) and Hoos would do the business side. | | | |
| Evil Les leaving? on 14:30 - Sep 26 with 4197 views | daveB |
| Evil Les leaving? on 14:26 - Sep 26 by Northernr |
I don't think they would replace him. We're accelerating back towards 'what manager wants manager gets' model anyway. Ramsay would oversee the academy, McClaren would ascend to manager rather than head coach (which is how he's approached it anyway) and Hoos would do the business side. |
Ferdinand will go soon anyway, as you say we are back to the manager model and when Warnock comes back he'll want total control. 4 years work down the toilet |  | | |
| Evil Les leaving? on 14:30 - Sep 26 with 4195 views | stevec |
| Evil Les leaving? on 14:26 - Sep 26 by Northernr |
I don't think they would replace him. We're accelerating back towards 'what manager wants manager gets' model anyway. Ramsay would oversee the academy, McClaren would ascend to manager rather than head coach (which is how he's approached it anyway) and Hoos would do the business side. |
Amen to that. |  | | |
| Evil Les leaving? on 14:34 - Sep 26 with 4171 views | Northernr |
| Evil Les leaving? on 14:30 - Sep 26 by stevec |
Amen to that. |
Yeeeeeeeh worked really well for us with Hughes and Redknapp didn't it? Basically buried the fcking club in the ground for a decade. | | | |
| Evil Les leaving? on 14:41 - Sep 26 with 4133 views | stevec |
| Evil Les leaving? on 14:34 - Sep 26 by Northernr |
Yeeeeeeeh worked really well for us with Hughes and Redknapp didn't it? Basically buried the fcking club in the ground for a decade. |
Well for the last 4 managers we've blamed them for their apparent failings whilst in the back of our minds I suspect most of us were also wondering whether it was really their fault or down to what was going on above them.
Right or wrong, I believe you need a manager with direct responsibility for the team he puts together. Give the man a budget and tell him what he says goes. A la Warnock in the promotion season.
After 4 years I'm still in a fog as to actually what Les does or is accountable for. | | | |
| Evil Les leaving? on 14:42 - Sep 26 with 4128 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Evil Les leaving? on 14:30 - Sep 26 by daveB |
Ferdinand will go soon anyway, as you say we are back to the manager model and when Warnock comes back he'll want total control. 4 years work down the toilet |
Dave,
I've been away for a fortnight or so. Have I missed something re Warnock? | |
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| Evil Les leaving? on 14:47 - Sep 26 with 4091 views | Gloucs_R |
| Evil Les leaving? on 14:42 - Sep 26 by BrianMcCarthy |
Dave,
I've been away for a fortnight or so. Have I missed something re Warnock? |
No....only that there is a belief / hope that Warnock will be sacked and that within a day he'll be our new manager!! |  |
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| Evil Les leaving? on 14:51 - Sep 26 with 4070 views | Northernr |
| Evil Les leaving? on 14:41 - Sep 26 by stevec |
Well for the last 4 managers we've blamed them for their apparent failings whilst in the back of our minds I suspect most of us were also wondering whether it was really their fault or down to what was going on above them.
Right or wrong, I believe you need a manager with direct responsibility for the team he puts together. Give the man a budget and tell him what he says goes. A la Warnock in the promotion season.
After 4 years I'm still in a fog as to actually what Les does or is accountable for. |
What manager wants manager gets is lethal for a club like QPR in the modern era.
We sack managers way too often, so what manager wants is always going to be something that helps for the next four games and bolox to anything after that because if he loses the next four games he gets the sack - in four games time he'll just want something for the next four games anyway. What manager wants will always be a new signing, preferably a striker, but we can't afford these.
You end up making him signings you can't afford, supporting a squad and wage bill you can't afford, and having all sorts of discarded players kicking around pissd off that they're not involved. You also end up with a squad made up of layers and layers of quick fixes that various managers of different styles wanted at various points of crisis in their reign. You end up with players seeing out contracts, or paying people to leave. We had all of that before Ferdinand started his job.
We need to be boxing really clever at the moment, thinking really strategically about where exactly we're going to be in 18-36 months time when we have no parachute payments trying and compete in a league where 80% of the teams are going to be able to spend more than us under FFP. Turning your entire club strategy over to somebody like Steve McClaren and giving him everything he wants is not boxing clever, it's bloody stupid.
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| Evil Les leaving? on 14:56 - Sep 26 with 4025 views | paulparker |
| Evil Les leaving? on 14:30 - Sep 26 by daveB |
Ferdinand will go soon anyway, as you say we are back to the manager model and when Warnock comes back he'll want total control. 4 years work down the toilet |
Les is already losing power the last 2 appointments were not his choices and the list of players scouted by him and penrice were turned down by mcclown
I dont blame the bloke for going to partures new I would if that idiot fernades kept going over my head and messing up the good work done in the last 4 years
This club really does lurch from one disaster to the next , I think if les goes that’s me done until TF and friends sell up |  |
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| Evil Les leaving? on 14:59 - Sep 26 with 4008 views | Antti_Heinola |
| Evil Les leaving? on 14:51 - Sep 26 by Northernr |
What manager wants manager gets is lethal for a club like QPR in the modern era.
We sack managers way too often, so what manager wants is always going to be something that helps for the next four games and bolox to anything after that because if he loses the next four games he gets the sack - in four games time he'll just want something for the next four games anyway. What manager wants will always be a new signing, preferably a striker, but we can't afford these.
You end up making him signings you can't afford, supporting a squad and wage bill you can't afford, and having all sorts of discarded players kicking around pissd off that they're not involved. You also end up with a squad made up of layers and layers of quick fixes that various managers of different styles wanted at various points of crisis in their reign. You end up with players seeing out contracts, or paying people to leave. We had all of that before Ferdinand started his job.
We need to be boxing really clever at the moment, thinking really strategically about where exactly we're going to be in 18-36 months time when we have no parachute payments trying and compete in a league where 80% of the teams are going to be able to spend more than us under FFP. Turning your entire club strategy over to somebody like Steve McClaren and giving him everything he wants is not boxing clever, it's bloody stupid.
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stevec's response to the realities of FFP is basically to ignore it and say we should sign all our players from our league or the premier league, unfortunately.
Les has overseen huge changes in how the club is run - just have a look at how many players are coming from the youth sides now compared to when he came before.
he's put a scouting structure in place.
He's presided over, with Hoos, halving the playing staff wages budget, and then doing so again, without relegation (yet!). Ask other clubs who came out of the Prem how easy that is.
Have all our signings been great? No. But at the same time those bad signings are not costing us £40k+ a week anymore. Every single club makes poor signings and signings that don't work. Even Warnock spent £1m on Hulse and was then allowed to go out and get Ishmael Miller because Hulse wasn't up to it.
And that's before you even start to talk about the work he's done turning the club back into a Community club.
Frankly Les has done a phenomenal job and it baffles me why people are so hostile towards him. I have some suspicions why some are so hostile, mind, and it ain't because he grew up a Spurs fan.
Wouldn't be shocked to see the FA go for him, especially if Les feels he's being elbowed aside by McClaren, who may well end up being an inferior manager to the one we had last year. And that could mean we lose Ramsey too. Worrying times. |  |
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| Evil Les leaving? on 15:11 - Sep 26 with 3951 views | stevec |
| Evil Les leaving? on 14:59 - Sep 26 by Antti_Heinola |
stevec's response to the realities of FFP is basically to ignore it and say we should sign all our players from our league or the premier league, unfortunately.
Les has overseen huge changes in how the club is run - just have a look at how many players are coming from the youth sides now compared to when he came before.
he's put a scouting structure in place.
He's presided over, with Hoos, halving the playing staff wages budget, and then doing so again, without relegation (yet!). Ask other clubs who came out of the Prem how easy that is.
Have all our signings been great? No. But at the same time those bad signings are not costing us £40k+ a week anymore. Every single club makes poor signings and signings that don't work. Even Warnock spent £1m on Hulse and was then allowed to go out and get Ishmael Miller because Hulse wasn't up to it.
And that's before you even start to talk about the work he's done turning the club back into a Community club.
Frankly Les has done a phenomenal job and it baffles me why people are so hostile towards him. I have some suspicions why some are so hostile, mind, and it ain't because he grew up a Spurs fan.
Wouldn't be shocked to see the FA go for him, especially if Les feels he's being elbowed aside by McClaren, who may well end up being an inferior manager to the one we had last year. And that could mean we lose Ramsey too. Worrying times. |
Shame you ruined a good argument with that penultimate paragraph.
No doubt Les has done good work at the club but ultimately his time as Director of Football has seen us go from 16th in the Premier to 16th in the Championship. That in the end is what a Director gets judged on. [Post edited 26 Sep 2018 15:12]
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| Evil Les leaving? on 15:12 - Sep 26 with 3942 views | Northernr |
| Evil Les leaving? on 15:11 - Sep 26 by stevec |
Shame you ruined a good argument with that penultimate paragraph.
No doubt Les has done good work at the club but ultimately his time as Director of Football has seen us go from 16th in the Premier to 16th in the Championship. That in the end is what a Director gets judged on. [Post edited 26 Sep 2018 15:12]
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No, it's what you judge him on. | | | |
| Evil Les leaving? on 15:20 - Sep 26 with 3906 views | Esox_Lucius |
| Evil Les leaving? on 15:11 - Sep 26 by stevec |
Shame you ruined a good argument with that penultimate paragraph.
No doubt Les has done good work at the club but ultimately his time as Director of Football has seen us go from 16th in the Premier to 16th in the Championship. That in the end is what a Director gets judged on. [Post edited 26 Sep 2018 15:12]
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| Evil Les leaving? on 16:02 - Sep 26 with 3767 views | Harbour |
Bloody hope not Les alongside with Hoos has done a great job. Hope Les stays as we have big challenges ahead loss of parachute money FFP fine a constant struggle to stay in the league dropping attendances we need people like Les who know the club in what will be a difficult time ahead. The philosophy of blooding the youngsters developing players and selling on will be critical. Not too mention ensuring we do not repeat the mistakes of the past ala HR MH etc.plus keeping MacLaine in check. |  | | |
| Evil Les leaving? on 16:42 - Sep 26 with 3623 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Evil Les leaving? on 15:11 - Sep 26 by stevec |
Shame you ruined a good argument with that penultimate paragraph.
No doubt Les has done good work at the club but ultimately his time as Director of Football has seen us go from 16th in the Premier to 16th in the Championship. That in the end is what a Director gets judged on. [Post edited 26 Sep 2018 15:12]
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In farness the penultimate paragraph said that he had suspicions about "some", so not aimed at you or anyone in particular.
I don't agree that the DoF is judged on league position, certainly shouldn't be in our club where the failings of people above an below Ferdinand could certainly have put the club out of business. It is because of Ferdinand and Hoos that we have not had to worry about that. | |
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| Evil Les leaving? on 17:04 - Sep 26 with 3554 views | Dorse |
I'm not convinced we are in a position to let Les go. His influence, or lack thereof, on McLaren notwithstanding, he has a new Chairman in the shape of Amit to work with.
Whether McLaren was anyone's first choice is a moot point, as is whether the club could afford to bring more / different / better players in: we brought in what we could afford without going into dangerous FFP territory. I don't believe that Cameron or Rangel were high up anybody's wish list going into the season but Wells and Hemed look good business, and would look even better if we'd been able to shift Sylla as well as Washington.
I don't think McLaren has the chops to get us into the top half, as things stand. By the same token, having a team like Les, Lee Hoos and Amit balancing out his propensity to make hideous transfer decisions might actually mitigate his perpetual fcukwittery and turn what could have been 16th with a bloated, overpriced / paid playing squad that has no sell-on value into the sunlit uplands of 16th with a trim squad that keeps the club afloat for the next couple of years.
Les has explained his role so many times now that it almost sounds like people think he's joking! When you see what could have happened under Arry 'Oooh-me-fackin-knees-Rosie' Redknapp, if checks and balances hadn't been in place, it makes you kind of glad Les was around. I would hate to let McLaren, the football equivalent of beige, have a free rein and have to reinforce the sub's bench in order to accommodate Chris 'Not ColdPlay' Martin, the only footballer to have his own gravitational pull. | |
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| Evil Les leaving? on 17:21 - Sep 26 with 3504 views | robith |
Beyond the fact that successful small clubs are increasingly run using this format, in what world would the success of a business, including near enough all hiring and firing, strategy and direction be left in the hands of a single person? |  | | |
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