| Wanting a change of management... 02:43 - Nov 8 with 11709 views | AyewSerious |
After a long journey back to my home, a quick read of the board tells me that this is now trendily seen as "pressing the panic button" and only the people "mildly concerned" are capable of thinking rationally? That about right?
Rubbish, in my opinion. As soon as things go wrong you have the two camps forming online without fail. One that pro actively looks for solutions and another that revels in telling these people they are red button pushing idiots. Ive seen it time and time again to the point of nauseating tedium, they are usually the ones not wanting to form a solid opinion for fear of looking silly later down the line.
These same camps appeared around the time Laudrup needed replacing, however the "rational mildly concerned" quickly filtered into the "the board did the right thing" camp and went largely unnoticed. Im sure the same will happen again this time.
The fact is, Garry is not making rational decisions and has not responded well to pressure at all. Football is becoming more and more a game of short term and in my opinion the time has come again to hand over the baton. That takes nothing away from his achievements last year, or indeed Laudrups the year before he went - but the team is not being led in the direction that is right for Swansea City, just as it was not back then.
I don't believe I am panicking or pressing any imaginary button. Things are not right, and I don't believe it is something a few wins will put right. There seems a total lack of direction, nobody really seems to have a game plan, it is pedestrian, rudderless, unimaginative football and I can't remember a time in our PL era where we have gone nearly a quarter of a season scoring so little (2?) from open play, and the worrying thing is that number actually flatters us.
To bring in Tabanou and Eder and refuse to use them is baffling at best and a frivolous waste of much needed funds at worst. To not address the imbalance of the side (noted by many as far back as Watford away) is either shockingly stubborn or complete blindness to obvious pitfalls in the set up. All is not well, of that I am sure, and just like the end Laudrups tenure - for me, it is thanks for last year but we must move on.
We need our core principles restored just like Huw famously once stated, I agreed then and I suggest the same now. |  | | |  |
| Wanting a change of management... on 18:14 - Nov 8 with 1445 views | jack247 |
| Wanting a change of management... on 18:06 - Nov 8 by skippyjack |
You do realise that everybody has a better head to head against Burnley, Wigan, Bolton and Fulham than they do against the CL clubs?
so what is your argument? |
GTC said we have done well against the stronger teams. You dismissed that as absolute nonsense and horse dollop. I explained how he was right (not that I should have to, us doing well against the top teams is about as close to fact as an opinion can get). You then said Jesus Christ I HAVE LOOKED IT UP. Turns out what you had actually looked up was we had a better win percentage against Burnley than Man Utd.
I am presuming this bit, so correct me if I'm wrong, but you think we don't have a good record against the top teams because none of them appear in the top 5 or 10 of that list, even though it's a fair bet they would be lower down on almost everybody else's? | | | |
| Wanting a change of management... on 18:17 - Nov 8 with 1435 views | GTCJack |
| Wanting a change of management... on 18:14 - Nov 8 by jack247 |
GTC said we have done well against the stronger teams. You dismissed that as absolute nonsense and horse dollop. I explained how he was right (not that I should have to, us doing well against the top teams is about as close to fact as an opinion can get). You then said Jesus Christ I HAVE LOOKED IT UP. Turns out what you had actually looked up was we had a better win percentage against Burnley than Man Utd.
I am presuming this bit, so correct me if I'm wrong, but you think we don't have a good record against the top teams because none of them appear in the top 5 or 10 of that list, even though it's a fair bet they would be lower down on almost everybody else's? |
You can't educate pork mate. | | | |
| Wanting a change of management... on 18:21 - Nov 8 with 1418 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Wanting a change of management... on 17:56 - Nov 8 by jack247 |
Is that what you LOOKED UP?
You do realise that everybody has a better head to head against Burnley, Wigan, Bolton and Fulham than they do against the CL clubs?
Try to find a club of our stature with a 48% win record against Arsenal and 37% against Man United. Southampton possibly, I doubt it though. |
Very clever biasing to go right back to the start of our Prem playing, what about just looking at last year under Garry? | | | |
| Wanting a change of management... on 18:25 - Nov 8 with 1411 views | Huw57 |
Good post, but Garry HAS to stay. Just has to fix things. |  |
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| Wanting a change of management... on 18:29 - Nov 8 with 1390 views | jack247 |
| Wanting a change of management... on 18:21 - Nov 8 by A_Fans_Dad |
Very clever biasing to go right back to the start of our Prem playing, what about just looking at last year under Garry? |
Well that would have looked better again, but in fairness to Skippy wasn't what was being debated.
We do well against the big teams because they back themselves to outplay us, knowing they will leave gaps at the back. Sometimes it works for them, sometimes it doesn't.
Apparently though, a 48% win record against Arsenal isn't good, because we have a better one against Wigan. | | | |
| Wanting a change of management... on 18:37 - Nov 8 with 1384 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Wanting a change of management... on 18:29 - Nov 8 by jack247 |
Well that would have looked better again, but in fairness to Skippy wasn't what was being debated.
We do well against the big teams because they back themselves to outplay us, knowing they will leave gaps at the back. Sometimes it works for them, sometimes it doesn't.
Apparently though, a 48% win record against Arsenal isn't good, because we have a better one against Wigan. |
I agree, the recent performance against Man U is even more impressive. | | | |
| Wanting a change of management... on 19:29 - Nov 8 with 1342 views | skippyjack |
Stoke:
Arsenal - 9 games - 29%
Tottenham - 9 games - 44%
Everton - 8 games - 50%
Man City - 8 games - 25%
Man Utd - 8 games - 20%
Chelsea - 9 games - 25%
Liverpool - 9 games - 39%
Sunderland:
Arsenal - 8 games - 8%
Tottenham - 9 games - 7%
Everton - 9 games - 40%
Man City - 8 games - 45%
Man Utd - 9 games - 14%
Chelsea - 8 games - 16%
Liverpool - 8 games - 25%
Leicester:
Arsenal DLL - 3 games - 11%
Tottenham LLD - 3 games - 11%
Everton DD - 2 games - 33%
Man City LL - 2 games - 0%
Man Utd WL - 2 games - 50%
Chelsea LL - 2 games - 0%
Liverpool DD 2 games - 33%
West Brom:
Arsenal - 8 games - 4%
Tottenham - 8 games - 25%
Everton - 9 games - 22%
Man City - 9 games - 3%
Man Utd - 8 games - 33%
Chelsea - 9 games - 40%
Liverpool - 8 games - 45%
Aston Villa:
Arsenal - 8 games - 16%
Tottenham - 9 games - 14%
Everton - 8 games - 25%
Man City - 9 games - 14%
Man Utd - 9 games - 3%
Chelsea - 9 games - 22%
Liverpool - 9 games - 29% |  |
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| Wanting a change of management... on 19:33 - Nov 8 with 1331 views | skippyjack |
Can any of you muppets read? | |
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| Wanting a change of management... on 19:53 - Nov 8 with 1311 views | jack247 |
That's brilliant Skip. No one anywhere near our win record against either, unless you count Leicester, who have played Man Utd twice. We have played them 3 times and have a 100% record against them since Leicester have been in the league, see what their percentage is after they have played them 9 times.
It would have been the exact thing I would have looked for if I needed stats to validate my point. | | | |
| Wanting a change of management... on 20:01 - Nov 8 with 1296 views | skippyjack |
| Wanting a change of management... on 19:53 - Nov 8 by jack247 |
That's brilliant Skip. No one anywhere near our win record against either, unless you count Leicester, who have played Man Utd twice. We have played them 3 times and have a 100% record against them since Leicester have been in the league, see what their percentage is after they have played them 9 times.
It would have been the exact thing I would have looked for if I needed stats to validate my point. |
What are you rambling on about.. he told me to look it up.. now you'e rambling on about me looking up 'facts' to back up my point.. and the only argument you've given is.. Arsenal are 48%.. which is a 50/50.. and never a 'natural' 'trend' of results.. you've got absolutely no evidence to back up.. 'we do well against the top teams'.. | |
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| Wanting a change of management... on 20:06 - Nov 8 with 1290 views | jack247 |
| Wanting a change of management... on 20:01 - Nov 8 by skippyjack |
What are you rambling on about.. he told me to look it up.. now you'e rambling on about me looking up 'facts' to back up my point.. and the only argument you've given is.. Arsenal are 48%.. which is a 50/50.. and never a 'natural' 'trend' of results.. you've got absolutely no evidence to back up.. 'we do well against the top teams'.. |
Of course I have you monumental plank, you just posted it for me.
If you don't think a 48% win ratio against Arsenal is good, tell me who has better. I'll even start you off - Barcelona. | | | |
| Wanting a change of management... on 20:09 - Nov 8 with 1283 views | skippyjack |
| Wanting a change of management... on 20:06 - Nov 8 by jack247 |
Of course I have you monumental plank, you just posted it for me.
If you don't think a 48% win ratio against Arsenal is good, tell me who has better. I'll even start you off - Barcelona. |
i'm not even arguing anymore.. you're solely picking out Arsenal.. yet completely ignoring the original point and table of my results.. which finds the top teams comprehensively at the bottom of the table | |
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| Wanting a change of management... on 20:17 - Nov 8 with 1269 views | jack247 |
| Wanting a change of management... on 20:09 - Nov 8 by skippyjack |
i'm not even arguing anymore.. you're solely picking out Arsenal.. yet completely ignoring the original point and table of my results.. which finds the top teams comprehensively at the bottom of the table |
As it does for everybody else.
I would imagine Man United and Arsenal (top teams) are a lot higher up our list than they are for most of our peers. I would also imagine that if you took an average between those two, City and Chelsea, we would have a better percentage than any of them over the last four years.
But it's irrelevant because we played Burnley twice and beat them both times.
And just so you know, the original point and table of your results weren't relevant anyway, no one said we had picked up more points against the CL teams than the relegated ones, you just shoehorned it in because you realised you were talking bollocks. | | | |
| Wanting a change of management... on 20:25 - Nov 8 with 1255 views | skippyjack |
| Wanting a change of management... on 20:17 - Nov 8 by jack247 |
As it does for everybody else.
I would imagine Man United and Arsenal (top teams) are a lot higher up our list than they are for most of our peers. I would also imagine that if you took an average between those two, City and Chelsea, we would have a better percentage than any of them over the last four years.
But it's irrelevant because we played Burnley twice and beat them both times.
And just so you know, the original point and table of your results weren't relevant anyway, no one said we had picked up more points against the CL teams than the relegated ones, you just shoehorned it in because you realised you were talking bollocks. |
what? | |
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| Wanting a change of management... on 20:29 - Nov 8 with 1249 views | jack247 |
| Wanting a change of management... on 20:25 - Nov 8 by skippyjack |
what? |
Which bit didn't you understand? | | | |
| Wanting a change of management... on 20:35 - Nov 8 with 1239 views | Dewi1jack |
| Wanting a change of management... on 20:29 - Nov 8 by jack247 |
Which bit didn't you understand? |
Fair play.
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| Wanting a change of management... on 20:42 - Nov 8 with 1233 views | Flashberryjack |
| Wanting a change of management... on 11:01 - Nov 8 by hammy |
I would think that the board are already formulating a plan in the event that we don't achieve around the 20 points mark by Christmas. Would be mad not to. It would be a shame for GM but they can't afford to get into a relegation scrap this season. |
We're already in a relegation scrap.....and have been since the opening game. |  |
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| Wanting a change of management... on 20:45 - Nov 8 with 1229 views | skippyjack |
i'm pork?.. dear god | |
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| Wanting a change of management... on 21:01 - Nov 8 with 1206 views | Private_Partz |
| Wanting a change of management... on 20:42 - Nov 8 by Flashberryjack |
We're already in a relegation scrap.....and have been since the opening game. |
I always tend to think we are not in a scrap when we are 10 + points clear of 3rd from bottom.
As an aside Fiorentina are beating Sampdoria away at the moment. If it stays like this Paulo Sousa will go back to top of Serie A with a joint best goal difference and no games drawn.
Would anyone have Sousa Mk11 back if it does turns out to be curtains for Gary? |  |
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| Wanting a change of management... on 21:22 - Nov 8 with 1183 views | jack247 |
| Wanting a change of management... on 20:45 - Nov 8 by skippyjack |
i'm pork?.. dear god |
Well two people have said that on this thread, you can see where they are coming from. | | | |
| Wanting a change of management... on 21:25 - Nov 8 with 1181 views | jack247 |
| Wanting a change of management... on 21:01 - Nov 8 by Private_Partz |
I always tend to think we are not in a scrap when we are 10 + points clear of 3rd from bottom.
As an aside Fiorentina are beating Sampdoria away at the moment. If it stays like this Paulo Sousa will go back to top of Serie A with a joint best goal difference and no games drawn.
Would anyone have Sousa Mk11 back if it does turns out to be curtains for Gary? |
It's not the league position or number of points that worries people, it's the recent run of results and the quality of the performances.
Based on his last spell, no I wouldn't want Sousa at the club. Looking at his cv though, it seems he has improved dramatically with his last couple of clubs. I'm in favour of giving Garry more time anyway. | | | |
| Wanting a change of management... on 21:29 - Nov 8 with 1174 views | skippyjack |
| Wanting a change of management... on 21:22 - Nov 8 by jack247 |
Well two people have said that on this thread, you can see where they are coming from. |
Because they're as dense as you are.. people who use 'can't educate pork'.. are idiots | |
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| Wanting a change of management... on 21:36 - Nov 8 with 1159 views | jack247 |
| Wanting a change of management... on 21:29 - Nov 8 by skippyjack |
Because they're as dense as you are.. people who use 'can't educate pork'.. are idiots |
That's right, it must be the three of us that are wrong. Winning half your games against Arsenal can't possibly be considered a good record when you have done better against Bolton. | | | |
| Wanting a change of management... on 21:40 - Nov 8 with 1148 views | skippyjack |
| Wanting a change of management... on 21:36 - Nov 8 by jack247 |
That's right, it must be the three of us that are wrong. Winning half your games against Arsenal can't possibly be considered a good record when you have done better against Bolton. |
it's not about being wrong or right.. it's about reading the original point thoroughly.. where Arsenal has propped up from.. i'm unsure | |
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| Wanting a change of management... on 21:51 - Nov 8 with 1126 views | jack247 |
| Wanting a change of management... on 21:40 - Nov 8 by skippyjack |
it's not about being wrong or right.. it's about reading the original point thoroughly.. where Arsenal has propped up from.. i'm unsure |
Ok.
The original point was you disagreed we did well against the top teams. Arsenal came into it because in my opinion they are a top team and we have had good results against them.
I'm going to leave it there Skip, it's hard enough trying to explain my point, I really don't want to have to explain yours to you as well. | | | |
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