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Don't normally post threads, but have seen Ramsey getting absolute dogs abuse from all angles on social media so thought I'd throw my two pence in for good measure. Firstly the reaction to JET being brought off for Fer, I'm not sure what else could have been done? JET was tiring and had hardly set the world alight - he's never been an out and out striker anyway. Fer needed to come on being our most attacking option but you couldn't bring him on for one of the three attacking midfielders as they were looking fairly lively — the two wide players had come the closest to scoring and Luongo’s legs and energy gave Sheff Wednesday something else to think about as he can run in behind. To bring off Sandro or Tozser would have been suicidal bearing in mind Fer's performance and how we conceded the second against Birmingham. If he had come on for one of them and lost the ball or lost his runner and it ended up in Rangers conceding a goal and eventually losing it would have been a poisonous atmosphere. Had he been left on the bench fans would have been in uproar at the end about how we didn’t gamble. On the face of it, I can see how it looks, but Fer has got the ability at this level to play up front. He’s got a great leap, wins a lot in the air and brings others into play — he’s levels above Polter in that role and it’s not even his proper position. In my opinion there’s been a complete overreaction.
At the other end of the scale, I can’t quite get my head around the clamour for Hill. He did what was asked of him, played Nuhiu at his own game fairly well but did far more wrong than he did right. He should have been sent off when he was caught in possession by Sougou, was caned for pace when caught square by Lucas João and spent most of the second half playing aimless long balls. If Henry had put in that type of performance he would have been lynched.
Just seems Ramsey is getting hammered for anything and everything - perhaps I'm wrong but that's the way I'm seeing it.
On a more positive note, a clean sheet at last whatever way it comes is brilliant bearing in mind the form at the minute. Also Jamie Mackie doing comms was a really great gesture by the club and he seemed to offer honest and intelligent comments. Think the game last night was crying out for Mackie, it needed a tackle or something to try and get the crowd going but unfortunately it just didn't come.
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Few thoughts on last nights game.. on 11:45 - Oct 21 with 2209 views
Have to say I totally agree withe OP. Ramsay sees Polter every day in training and clearly feels, rightly or wrongly, that Fer up front is a better option than the German. As for Hill, I can't agree with the love fest on here for him. A great bloke, and he's been a great servant of the Club, but he is clearly past it now at our level. We didn't concede last night because without Henry we were a lot better defensively in midfield, and Wednesday were not great up front. Quite early on, Hill played a poor bouncing ball to Hall which put him in trouble, the striker closed down quickly and won possession, passing the ball into space for his partner but it was far closer to Clint and he should have cleared up, but stood off concerned about getting to the ball. Luckily we did not get punished, but not long after Hill was caught again and probably should have been sent off for the foul. I feel that Hills lack of pace will be exploited at the back and he is a bit of a liability I am afraid. He is a leader, something we sorely lack, but that meant that last night at the back when we had possession the ball would inevitably end up with Clint who has never been renowned for his passing ability, leaving him to lump it forward hoping for JET to win it. Hill had a better second half but at half time you would have put money on him either being sent off or giving away a goal before the end of the game and against a better side I think that would have happened. I don't think he is the answer at the back. And again, Onuoha is frightening at full back, got away with it last night but again is a liability there against a decent wide player.
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Few thoughts on last nights game.. on 11:45 - Oct 21 with 2209 views
Few thoughts on last nights game.. on 11:33 - Oct 21 by simmo
Your argument/point loses a little credibility when the same manager brought on Polter with 5 mins to go when we were chasing a game and in desperate need for a goal. If he truly believes Polter isn't up to the job in comparison to alternatives, why did he take him to Birmigham and play him?
I agree RE Fer btw, think he's strong in the air and gave us a good target late in the game, but if Polter wasn't injured he absolutely should have been made available for selection. It's needs must when injuries hit and if he can't get a chance when 2/3 of the strikers ahead of him have knocks, then he should never have been bought in the first place.
We were in desperate need for a goal from the 65th minute, he waited 20 before giving him a run out. Does that look like someone who has faith in him?
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Few thoughts on last nights game.. on 11:51 - Oct 21 with 2196 views
Few thoughts on last nights game.. on 11:45 - Oct 21 by JordanFoster
We were in desperate need for a goal from the 65th minute, he waited 20 before giving him a run out. Does that look like someone who has faith in him?
No, but surely if you deem him worthy of bringing on towards the end of a game when you need a goal, he'd also be worthy enough for a place on the bench, especially if you knew your only other striking option was not going to last the game.
The point is if you've got him, use him. When Charlie is fit, you don't have to play him, when JET is fit, you don't have to play him, when one or both of those guys are not available, you have to play him. It's about working with what we have and playing people in their natural positions. Look at how many attacks hit a dead end last night because Cheif is not a RB, if we had a proper specialist RB playing we would have created so many more genuine chances. It's the same with playing Fer upfront - fine if there's absoltuely no other option, but unacceptable when there are.
ask Beavis I get nothing Butthead
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Few thoughts on last nights game.. on 11:54 - Oct 21 with 2188 views
Few thoughts on last nights game.. on 09:38 - Oct 21 by YorkRanger
The question for me is why did we sign Polter.
He's barely played and has been written off. The club is berift of strikers so surely the one you do have you should put on the bench?
Slightly unfair on Hill I think Jordan. Thought he made some telling clearances and blocks and competed well with a very awkward striker
Polter will probably be like Puncheon. Have one bad 15 minute cameo for us on the basis of which everyone here decides he is rubbish, and will then go on to have a successful career elsewhere
As you say, why did we sign him..presumably he was carefully scouted and assessed in keeping with the new Les doctrine?
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Few thoughts on last nights game.. on 12:00 - Oct 21 with 2175 views
Few thoughts on last nights game.. on 11:51 - Oct 21 by simmo
No, but surely if you deem him worthy of bringing on towards the end of a game when you need a goal, he'd also be worthy enough for a place on the bench, especially if you knew your only other striking option was not going to last the game.
The point is if you've got him, use him. When Charlie is fit, you don't have to play him, when JET is fit, you don't have to play him, when one or both of those guys are not available, you have to play him. It's about working with what we have and playing people in their natural positions. Look at how many attacks hit a dead end last night because Cheif is not a RB, if we had a proper specialist RB playing we would have created so many more genuine chances. It's the same with playing Fer upfront - fine if there's absoltuely no other option, but unacceptable when there are.
I agree, Chief is great this level when a centre half. But you're saying Fer upfront is fine if there is no one else, but because Polter is available, despite how out of form/struggling to settle he is, he should play instead?
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Few thoughts on last nights game.. on 12:18 - Oct 21 with 2144 views
Few thoughts on last nights game.. on 12:00 - Oct 21 by JordanFoster
I agree, Chief is great this level when a centre half. But you're saying Fer upfront is fine if there is no one else, but because Polter is available, despite how out of form/struggling to settle he is, he should play instead?
Fer is only an option if there is nobody else but he shouldn't be considered a striker. Given a choice about who should play upfront, Fer or Polter - I'd take Polter, all day long. Players should play in their natural positions where possible and why is he 'out of form'? We've barely seen anything of him but when we have I think he's shown glimpses of being quite good (albeit very raw). He's really strong in the air, industrious, physical and has scored a competitive goal already. Considering Fer contributed absolutely nothing meaningful I would say that even a Polter that's a 3rd choice striker certainly wouldn't have been any worse an option to have. His place on the bench was essentially taken by Hoilett who wasn't even used, even when both wingers were tired.
ask Beavis I get nothing Butthead
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Few thoughts on last nights game.. on 12:32 - Oct 21 with 2111 views
Few thoughts on last nights game.. on 12:18 - Oct 21 by simmo
Fer is only an option if there is nobody else but he shouldn't be considered a striker. Given a choice about who should play upfront, Fer or Polter - I'd take Polter, all day long. Players should play in their natural positions where possible and why is he 'out of form'? We've barely seen anything of him but when we have I think he's shown glimpses of being quite good (albeit very raw). He's really strong in the air, industrious, physical and has scored a competitive goal already. Considering Fer contributed absolutely nothing meaningful I would say that even a Polter that's a 3rd choice striker certainly wouldn't have been any worse an option to have. His place on the bench was essentially taken by Hoilett who wasn't even used, even when both wingers were tired.
Yes we've barely seen anything of him, but the coaching team see him every single day. I admit I haven't seen any glimpses of him being "quite good", I said out of form because I didn't want to hammer the guy.
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Few thoughts on last nights game.. on 12:34 - Oct 21 with 2110 views
Few thoughts on last nights game.. on 12:18 - Oct 21 by simmo
Fer is only an option if there is nobody else but he shouldn't be considered a striker. Given a choice about who should play upfront, Fer or Polter - I'd take Polter, all day long. Players should play in their natural positions where possible and why is he 'out of form'? We've barely seen anything of him but when we have I think he's shown glimpses of being quite good (albeit very raw). He's really strong in the air, industrious, physical and has scored a competitive goal already. Considering Fer contributed absolutely nothing meaningful I would say that even a Polter that's a 3rd choice striker certainly wouldn't have been any worse an option to have. His place on the bench was essentially taken by Hoilett who wasn't even used, even when both wingers were tired.
If the Manager deems one of his strikers not good enough that an attacking midfielder (with decent attributes to be a striker) is preferable, that’s perfectly understandable.
As pointed out earlier in this thread, playing players in their natural positions is all well and good but if you need your striker to play a hold up and lay game and bring those around him into play, if he can’t do that (regardless of whether he’s a striker or not) you can understand the Manager looking at alternatives and with Fer (you yourself said he has decent qualities to be a striker) you get a better back to goal player which suits us.
You can criticise a lot of Ramsey’s decisions since he’s been with us, leaving out Polter isn’t really one.
If attacker doesn't have ball under control some refs will use that as a reason to only give a yellow, deeming g/s opportunity not "obvious" in that case, but its yellow at least.
I probably would have given a red.
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Few thoughts on last nights game.. on 13:11 - Oct 21 with 2034 views
Les F has bought in a pile of old sh*te. Time to fall on your own sword..
CR - no tactics, no defence, no attcking, no f'ing idea JET is div 1 standard at best Polter is just a bulldozer Luongo is quite good but slow Toszer absolutely useless (capital U) Angella - must be slowest in the league (all 4 divs) Perch - weak defender Hall - not the worst but weak nevertheless Chery - like him but played out of position and nobody seems to pass to him for some reason
pure panic buying!!
+ CR has brought out the worst in Onouha and a few others We've loaned out all the younsters - why? Phillips, Fer, Hoilett etc. just aren't bothered - not even sure about Austin (wiat for the abuse)
Only decent players last night were Konchesy, Hill and snippets of Luongo
NO f'n PACE anywhere in the team. No youngsters in the team. No structure in the team
When that young Bolton winger came on in second half - he tore us / Onouha to shreds
Got home last night t 11:45 - will still go but we need a complete clearout and that includes LF, CR and some of our overpaid / under-achieving players. Get Furlong back from loan - guarantee he is better than Perch. Give Doughty a go. Greco-Cox etc.
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Few thoughts on last nights game.. on 13:18 - Oct 21 with 1962 views
Few thoughts on last nights game.. on 13:11 - Oct 21 by jonno
Definite red card. Abysmal referee.
Not sure about that - although it looked a blatant trip - because the loose ball went to a Rangers player who was tracking back.
RFA
"Things had started becoming increasingly desperate at Loftus Road but QPR have been handed a massive lifeline and the place has absolutely erupted. it's carnage. It's bedlam. It's 1-1."
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Few thoughts on last nights game.. on 13:24 - Oct 21 with 1942 views
Thought Ramsey made an interesting point in interview that he would like the team to be more creative but the players are feeling the expectations at home
We're a tough crowd and can see why he might be reluctant to give youngsters a chance or even play Poulter given the stick he has received in the small mins he has played
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Few thoughts on last nights game.. on 13:27 - Oct 21 with 1939 views
Few thoughts on last nights game.. on 13:24 - Oct 21 by Rangersw12
Thought Ramsey made an interesting point in interview that he would like the team to be more creative but the players are feeling the expectations at home
We're a tough crowd and can see why he might be reluctant to give youngsters a chance or even play Poulter given the stick he has received in the small mins he has played
You make an absolute killer point. If we create a toxic atmosphere, some players, especially the younger ones, will not want to show for the ball and if they do get it, they'll take the safe option every time - the sideways or backwards pass - to avoid the vitriol they will be subjected to if they try something more creative and it goes wrong.
We should be proud of ourselves.
RFA
"Things had started becoming increasingly desperate at Loftus Road but QPR have been handed a massive lifeline and the place has absolutely erupted. it's carnage. It's bedlam. It's 1-1."
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Few thoughts on last nights game.. on 13:38 - Oct 21 with 1908 views
Few thoughts on last nights game.. on 13:33 - Oct 21 by R_from_afar
You make an absolute killer point. If we create a toxic atmosphere, some players, especially the younger ones, will not want to show for the ball and if they do get it, they'll take the safe option every time - the sideways or backwards pass - to avoid the vitriol they will be subjected to if they try something more creative and it goes wrong.
We should be proud of ourselves.
RFA
So Ramsey is doing a brilliant job, has got all the tactics spot on and the players are united and highly motivated - but the mean crowd are ruining it by being nasty?
Riiiight.....
It's pretty simple, give the crowd something to cheer about and they will, make the same mistakes weekly and produce toothless football and they will grumble/boo.
The Poulter stuff is stupid, but you some people are just idiots.
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Few thoughts on last nights game.. on 15:34 - Oct 21 with 1744 views
Few thoughts on last nights game.. on 13:57 - Oct 21 by adhoc_qpr
So Ramsey is doing a brilliant job, has got all the tactics spot on and the players are united and highly motivated - but the mean crowd are ruining it by being nasty?
Riiiight.....
It's pretty simple, give the crowd something to cheer about and they will, make the same mistakes weekly and produce toothless football and they will grumble/boo.
The Poulter stuff is stupid, but you some people are just idiots.
I think last night needed a tackle, shot or maybe a moment of magic to help get the crowd back onside, unfortunately, this never came.
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Few thoughts on last nights game.. on 15:38 - Oct 21 with 1735 views
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