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Reply | Project 5000
at 09:58 7 Jan 2025
I don't know which numbers Andy Woodman is looking at. He's been there since 2021 and yes - that part ois true - in 2021 the average home gate was 900 - but it was Covid -affected reported figures. The season before's average gate was 0ver 2000 and the season after (AW's first full season) it was down at 1900. Today it's around 3500.
https://www.footballwebpages.co.uk/bromley/attendances
I can believe that they have 2000-2500 season card holders - and I can also believe that if they make 3000 tickets available to home fans then they can sell them all (on Saturdays). This is not selling out 5000 every week though.
Do I think that it can be done? Of course. |
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Reply | No coach to Stockton
at 09:35 7 Jan 2025
...and the conversion of that money into shares gives SG a 20%+ position in the Boardroom. It also makes it very difficult for the Trust (or another form of Supporter body) to slowly buy him out. I mention this latter point because it is one of the differences between us and York. The "Trust" at York has a 25% share ownership position. Judd referenced York in an earlier thread with reference to how their Golden Share works. York has incorporated the key points of a Golden Share into its Memorandum and Articles - but it actually goes further than that - it incorporates other elements throughout the M&A that gives the Trust significant say. Note that what I am not doing here is comparing our majority owners to that of the family controlling York. I do think though that if we want a 'trust' position to work then it probably requires all non Ogden family shares transferring to it. I'd be happy transfer mine if the Articles of such a Trust were sound - but it's easy for me to say that as I don't hold half a million plus shares. It would be a way forwards though.
Edit: I was typing this as DAlien was posting - my comments on the Golden Share were made before I saw his. [Post edited 7 Jan 10:02]
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Reply | Pitch update
at 15:47 1 Jan 2025
Or one 12-wheel Crown Oil Tanker every 100 minutes! |
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Reply | AGM change
at 11:06 14 Nov 2024
One important factor going forwards is the 'Golden Share' - both what it actually looks like and how it will be used. My understanding is that this Share will be held by the trust and therefore it is imperative that any AGM agenda item where the Golden Share input is relevant must be circulated well before the the actual RAFC AGM itself. I am a little concerned that a limited agenda AGM is being held prior to the full revision of the Articles having been circulated but I also accept that, with the exception of the Golden Share, actual non Ogden family shares count for very little. I fully share the views put forwards in Dalenet's above post - and am happy with the fact that cake exists - I don't have to eat it! |
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Reply | AFC Fylde Match Thread
at 12:15 13 Oct 2024
I'd take Bolton away. Their home form is poor and 50% of a 20,000 gate is worth having. Ideally of course I'd take two winnable home games and then a big one in the third round. But Birmingham, Bolton or 'Uddy away would be money in the bank (and I do think that Bolton is a winnable one). |
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Reply | Traffic Alert - Travelling yo York
at 18:53 19 Aug 2024
For any exiles intending to go north via the A1 there are serious road works just south of the M62 junction. These are unpredictable (usually no less than 30 mins) and it's better instead to take the M18 and then via Drax to the A19 - joining the A64 at the A19 intersection. If you are going by car (by whatever route) then there are reservable car park spaces available at the Monks Cross Retail Park which is a short wall from the stadium. There are only 400 reservable spaces in total but there was availability earlier today when I purchased match tickets. Away fans tickets were still available this morning on the YCFC web site and car parking (£5) can be bought at the same time.
The McArthur Glen Retail Park at the A64/A19 intersection has a decent food court (not great - but better than a motorway services) - and parking is free. It isn't feasible to use McArthur Glen for the stadium though - it really has to be Monks Cross for that. I mention it only because you have to drive past McArthur Glen on the A 64 to get to Monks Cross and so it's worth stopping there for food if needed.
The M1/A1 delays (between M62 and A1/A64 can also be a pain - but often cleared within 15-20 mins. |
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Reply | Targeting Groups
at 21:34 8 Apr 2024
I agree - interesting model. It would appear to me that they issue a share offer and the Jabara Family have, very the last few years, picked them all up. They now own almost 40% of LCFC's parent - and my guess is that they can only have done this by picking up virtually all the shares that are made available. How long that this can continue is debatable and just looks like the type of EFL1 model which is based on a gamble on promotion to the Championship. They could make the playoffs this year - but that is a strong playoff group and coming out on top over Bolton, Peterborough and Barnsley is one heck of a gamble.My worry would be that this year could be their best chance. I do think that a couple of thousand on their average gate comes from (a) them doing well and (b) some teams with strong away support where a midlands trip isn't an onerous one. I'm not so sure that it is based on their not being much else around. Whilst this is true, Lincoln isn't a populous city (100k or so) and the county is very spread out. They do have Newark close by but I see a lot of Newark base going to the Nottingham clubs. I live just outside Newark. Lincoln do market themselves well - I often see young kids with imps shirts. Lincoln is also a stag party venue - and I do suspect that they sell game packages to groups.
Boston United's model is also an interesting one, and should we be successful in closing out the Ogden Family deal then it is one worth looking closely at. The investors are in (local) property. They have built a community hub type of stadium. It's small (5-6,000) but it has lots of add ons that bring money in. The investors have stated a long term interest in returning Boston to the fans. Boston's home gate is maybe 1100 -1200 below ours but with success this could easily rise to 1800-2000. They have also got a chance of making the playoffs. They may not make it this year but I suspect that we'll see Boston in the NL before we see Lincoln in the Championship. |
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Reply | The Ogden Family
at 18:17 25 Mar 2024
Wow, this has to be made to work - it is exactly what I was hoping for but never really thought it would happen. It's what both Rochdale and RAFC need. |
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Reply | TFC respond to WSH exclusivity
at 14:28 15 Mar 2024
Sadly we are both on the same page - with minor differences. I am surprised, given the words emanating from the Chairman at the EGM, that the NL hasn't taken the matter into its own hands and because of this I do wonder about how rigid their original ruling is/was. It probably is too late now as it would need a new lender to kick in asap.
I'd be very surprised if other would-be investors aren't watching the situation very closely. If the WSH deal falls through on the last day of their exclusivity window then apparently everything ends. This isn't in the interests of would-be investors as it would be better to keep a going concern than start from scratch. In this case I suspect that immediate cash offers from late entrants cannot be ruled out. Slim chance? Yes. Miracle, No - don't believe in them - I leave that to others. We need to get to the end of the season - that is all that we need funds for. Next season would be very different - cut the outgoings to match the income. OK it may mean a bottom 4 finish but I'm pretty sure that with the income that we continue to generate through the gates we could survive in NL/NLN and then attract the right suitor. Unfortunately , like you, I see the chance of cash through to the summer as a slim chance and therefore WSH hold all the cards. They may be great for us - and I think that we have to hope that is the case.
Your point about the timing of the 90% approach is an interesting one. I've been of the opinion that, as it is quite creative, the board has only recently had its eyes opened to it. It could be though, because this approach lends itself to legal challenge, that they have sat on this card until the last possible moment and only played it when it could be offered as a last resort with no other options. |
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Reply | TFC respond to WSH exclusivity
at 10:21 15 Mar 2024
The club is not technically insolvent. As far as I'm aware the total assets are still greater than the total debt. One of the big issues here is an issue of the National League's own making. In refusing to allow the main asset to be used to secure finance, NL has placed the club in a position where cash flow has dried up.Liquidation as a term is being used at its most extreme. It is the quick end but it isn't the only path. Although technically not insolvent, the club is facing severe financial stress and likely finding it difficult (or soon impossible) to pay its bills and is almost certainly exploring avenues that any insolvent business would also do. It starts with restructuring debt and the repayment thereof.
There are big things worry me though. I was unaware that significant debt was still owed to RMBC - this is very important as RMBC would be a first port of call for a secured loan. SG is clearly a huge creditor - we have no idea of the terms of his loan. More importantly he would have to accept restructuring in order for the club to continue. Would NL make exception to its rule regarding lending against the major asset? I hope that it would see sense here. All of this only buys time. Any loan that could be secured would have to be for both working capital and debt repayment. It is not a long term answer.A buyer is required.
Administration has immediate consequences regarding football status - a drop down the leagues - but it does allow for a restructuring of debt, an immediate reduction in costs and various other stringent measures. It is not an answer by any means. The way forwards, should an immediate buyer not be found is to recognise that liquidation is staring us in the face, but to act as our own administrators and find a working solution without officially declaring that we are under administration (without calling in an administrator). The board must be aware of this but as usual its approach to communication is palpable.Prior to the EGM The shareholders would have been better informed had they been shown a (maybe limited) set of working accounts to cover July 2023 to February 20234 - but instead we got rhetoric only eight weeks out from an AGM.
All interested parties should be allowed to have time to have their planned properly vetted. We need a way of funding the clubs financial activities though ought this period. The board's focus should have both of these points in mind and not be rushing one bidder through because of the risk of the money running out. |
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Reply | The Football Club LLC - Plans for Rochdale
at 19:39 14 Mar 2024
My take on the TFC offer to convert shares is that it allows cash to be transferred into the club. TFC buy shares, put the cash to the club, and then transfer 10% of the shares that they have purchased to SG. SG has indicated that he is prepared to take(at least a partial) equity stake to recover the debt (loan). This is a risk for SG as equity could be wiped out - but it also works both ways as if the club was to promoted (for example) the share value would rise and he would be free to sell at a profit. There are possible other reasons - one being that his 10% enables him to remain on the board. Who really knows what is going on in the background? I actually think that offering to take the loan repayment is a good thing. I'm less enamoured about his retention of 10% equity allowing him to remain chairman but overall it is better that the club retains the cash rather than a rapid repayment of a substantial loan. |
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Reply | Dale Trust Meeting With WSH LLC
at 13:09 14 Mar 2024
Because that is exactly what they did at Maastricht - with man obvious long term plan of taking 90+%.If it works there then why shouldn't it work here.
To be clear -I'm talking about a smaller stake as part of a longer term plan. I'm very concerned that if no actor puts cash in very soon then there will be nothing to take a stake in.
Yes, it's a business risk - but it's a small stake at a rock bottom share price - a share price that is obviouslty attracting attention. |
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Reply | Dale Trust Meeting With WSH LLC
at 12:22 14 Mar 2024
Reading the Trust Statement and seeing how WHS are operating at Maastricht then one potential way forwards is for them to take a medium sized stake (24%?) today. This would get the funds in place to keep the club functioning whilst they then put together the remaining part of the deal. I suspect that this might be how they entered Maastricht in the first place. The statement raises many questions - and most may well have answers, but we have been told very clearly that time is not on our side. Taking a smaller stake now would be a massive gesture and commitment - which I think is what we need at this point in time. |
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Reply | TFC respond to WSH exclusivity
at 21:05 13 Mar 2024
Maybe it's because it hasn't taken a couple of years to find a buyer - it's taken a couple of years to come up with the 'How to buy 90% of a business for £2m plan'. |
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Reply | TFC respond to WSH exclusivity
at 22:42 12 Mar 2024
If shareholders were misled then this is a very serious matter. "Seemingly" allows RAFC to clarify this. I am very concerned that a move towards a further EGM will result in the cash well drying up - and fast. This would finish the club - no ifs or buts - liquidation ends the club. I am also very concerned that there could be doubts that not all available information was on the table last week and this needs closing out. A communication from the club is necessary - and soon. |
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Reply | Exclusive period with WSH
at 14:49 12 Mar 2024
I took your recommendation to be based on the trading situation and not the bidder - and at the time the only talk was of Liquidation. Did you mean to say 'Administration' or did you mean 'Liquidation'? I suspect the latter, as SG never mentioned Administration until the EGM result had been called. |
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