| Mcnulty 18:00 - Nov 6 with 39385 views | Brewer123 |
Hi All,
Burton Fan here!
Your manager Jim Mcnulty has become overwhelming favourite it seems for our job.
Is he someone you hold in a high regard or someone you're not fussed about losing?
What's his style of football/formation?
Best of luck for the remainder of the season (don't return the favour...season over already!!) |  | | |  |
| Mcnulty on 12:39 - Nov 8 with 6409 views | D_Alien |
| Mcnulty on 07:35 - Nov 8 by TalkingSutty |
Good post. I don't see any fans wanting a change of manager, it shouldnt even be up for discussion for the reasons you've pointed out in your post. A lot of frustration comes from our home performances, how we start games and the slow tempo of our play, the now habitual throwing away of goals through embarrassing mistakes. Tomorrow is another game but is anybody confident that we won't see anything much different than what we normally see? We had to chase the game from the 3rd minute last week, forced into it to rescue the game, we're good when we play with tempo and urgency but we never start games like that unfortunately. We only play that way as a reaction to what our opponents have done and that's what i mean about McNulty being reactive rather than proactive in a lot of games. Tomorrow is a big game, we've lost three out of our last four games if you ignore the game against Blackburns U21s. |
FWIW, you're right about not seeing any fans advocating for a managerial change - and that includes myself
Your earlier point about not getting too "invested" in JM is an excellent one, which *may* have got overlooked...
We've had that before of course, with KH. When he left for Barnsley after taking us as far as he thought he could take us at the time (2011) it was like carnage on here - and the response from the board suggested they hadn't prepared for it either. The club went into a tailspin until he returned and initial success again, but then we had the "five-year contract" and the rest is history
I'd only ask that the club don't make the same mistake again, and that the board are prepared for any eventuality. In awarding JM a three year contract, i thought they were being precipitate and should've waited till at least the turn of this year before reviewing performances. Is there anyone at the club actually tasked with keeping an eye on these things?
It could be argued, with rumours of other clubs interested in JM that the longer contract was a good move, but that's with hindsight now. I hope there's also foresight happening, and that at least one or two potential replacements are always being looked at "just in case" - especially since the point made by ATP (and others) that the vast majority of younger managers these days are honed the same way |  |
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| Mcnulty on 22:25 - Nov 9 with 5603 views | Sandyman |
Rumours galore around the ground today re: this.
Burton won, at last. Dale won, just about.
We'll see what the reality is in days to come but it will be nowt like the Muppet Show going on in bury!  |  | | |
| Mcnulty on 09:43 - Nov 10 with 5013 views | frenzied |
Jim would be foolish not to even explore the possibility of a step up to Burton...any of his players certainly would | | | |
| Mcnulty on 10:08 - Nov 10 with 4914 views | TalkingSutty |
| Mcnulty on 09:43 - Nov 10 by frenzied |
Jim would be foolish not to even explore the possibility of a step up to Burton...any of his players certainly would |
Depends how invested he is in the three year plan and getting the club he loves back into the EFL. Hopefully he will stick to what he signed up for and repay the faith shown in him by the board. We could be in the same league as Burton in just over six months time. |  | | |
| Mcnulty on 11:24 - Nov 10 with 4715 views | kel |
| Mcnulty on 10:08 - Nov 10 by TalkingSutty |
Depends how invested he is in the three year plan and getting the club he loves back into the EFL. Hopefully he will stick to what he signed up for and repay the faith shown in him by the board. We could be in the same league as Burton in just over six months time. |
Agree. We’re building something here and losing the manager will set us back imo. I’d be gutted if he went. |  | | |
| Mcnulty on 11:49 - Nov 10 with 4647 views | BillyRudd |
Is this all a wind up or am I missing something? On Oddschecker the only bookie making a book on "next permanent Burton manager" is Betvictor and McNulty is not even in, what is a very long list of possibles.
If anyone can point me to these "favourite odds" I would be grateful, so that I can go short on them. | | | |
| Mcnulty on 12:35 - Nov 10 with 4501 views | TalkingSutty |
| Mcnulty on 11:24 - Nov 10 by kel |
Agree. We’re building something here and losing the manager will set us back imo. I’d be gutted if he went. |
Yes, a bad time to be losing the manager. I'll be surprised if it happens to be honest. [Post edited 10 Nov 12:36]
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| Mcnulty on 13:17 - Nov 10 with 4368 views | richfoad32 |
| Mcnulty on 11:49 - Nov 10 by BillyRudd |
Is this all a wind up or am I missing something? On Oddschecker the only bookie making a book on "next permanent Burton manager" is Betvictor and McNulty is not even in, what is a very long list of possibles.
If anyone can point me to these "favourite odds" I would be grateful, so that I can go short on them. |
https://www.betvictor.com/en-gb/sports/240/meetings/441511110/all
Betvictor's own site has McNulty at 4/1 second favourite for the Burton job, only one I could find though. Such an obscure market, someone probably had a tenner on him. [Post edited 10 Nov 13:20]
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| Mcnulty on 14:03 - Nov 10 with 4219 views | BillyRudd |
Thank you richfoad for your trouble.
Indeed probably as an illiquid market as you can get. | | | |
| Mcnulty on 16:26 - Nov 10 with 3908 views | EllDale |
For what it’s worth Pete O’Rourke is now running with the story. | | | |
| Mcnulty on 17:11 - Nov 10 with 3750 views | James1980 |
| Mcnulty on 16:26 - Nov 10 by EllDale |
For what it’s worth Pete O’Rourke is now running with the story. |
He refers to JM as a contender? | |
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| Mcnulty on 17:22 - Nov 10 with 3700 views | SaxonDale |
I have no idea why he wasn’t asked about it during the post match interview yesterday. Really poor. |  | | |
| Mcnulty on 17:39 - Nov 10 with 3612 views | D_Alien |
| Mcnulty on 17:22 - Nov 10 by SaxonDale |
I have no idea why he wasn’t asked about it during the post match interview yesterday. Really poor. |
I'd imagine there's a club moratorium on any such questions
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| Mcnulty on 18:14 - Nov 10 with 3449 views | EllDale |
| Mcnulty on 17:11 - Nov 10 by James1980 |
He refers to JM as a contender? |
Yep. | | | |
| Mcnulty on 20:12 - Nov 10 with 3145 views | Frog |
6/4 favourite with 4 bookies |  | | |
| Mcnulty on 21:30 - Nov 10 with 2934 views | EllDale |
I was derided on another thread earlier this year when there was a managerial vacancy elsewhere for suggesting that McNulty may be in the frame for that job.
Managers come and go though and professional footballers just get on with the job in the vast majority of cases.
My only worry is that the longer serving members of the current board don’t have a great track record in managerial appointments BJ excepting.
Hendo as caretaker? | | | |
| Mcnulty on 21:44 - Nov 10 with 2874 views | TalkingSutty |
| Mcnulty on 21:30 - Nov 10 by EllDale |
I was derided on another thread earlier this year when there was a managerial vacancy elsewhere for suggesting that McNulty may be in the frame for that job.
Managers come and go though and professional footballers just get on with the job in the vast majority of cases.
My only worry is that the longer serving members of the current board don’t have a great track record in managerial appointments BJ excepting.
Hendo as caretaker? |
I'll admit that i didn't envisage a L1 club coming in for Jim this season. I didn't think his stock was that high and he was still a bit raw and tactically naive at times, little did i know if this proves to be correct. | | | |
| Mcnulty on 21:45 - Nov 10 with 2871 views | D_Alien |
| Mcnulty on 21:30 - Nov 10 by EllDale |
I was derided on another thread earlier this year when there was a managerial vacancy elsewhere for suggesting that McNulty may be in the frame for that job.
Managers come and go though and professional footballers just get on with the job in the vast majority of cases.
My only worry is that the longer serving members of the current board don’t have a great track record in managerial appointments BJ excepting.
Hendo as caretaker? |
This is why it's never a great idea to get too attached to a particular individual. Football is, of course, an emotional game. You'll see players kissing cameras and banging the logos on their chests week in week out - it's all bollocks, trying to manipulate the fans
Do i think JM has an attachment to Dale? Yes, i think it's genuine. How much it'd take to prise him away i've no idea; is Burton enough, after being given such a chance at the outset of his post-playing career and rewarded with an exceptional contract?
It's a job, and JM is on a learning curve which he can either embrace or just carry on reading the manual, which at some point will become out-of-date | |
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| Mcnulty on 21:55 - Nov 10 with 2827 views | TalkingSutty |
| Mcnulty on 21:45 - Nov 10 by D_Alien |
This is why it's never a great idea to get too attached to a particular individual. Football is, of course, an emotional game. You'll see players kissing cameras and banging the logos on their chests week in week out - it's all bollocks, trying to manipulate the fans
Do i think JM has an attachment to Dale? Yes, i think it's genuine. How much it'd take to prise him away i've no idea; is Burton enough, after being given such a chance at the outset of his post-playing career and rewarded with an exceptional contract?
It's a job, and JM is on a learning curve which he can either embrace or just carry on reading the manual, which at some point will become out-of-date |
He'd be taking on a L1 relegation battle with plenty left of the season to turn their fortunes around, and a expectation on him to do that. He needs results from the off in a high pressure environment. Good luck to him if that's what he wants but i don't think it's a great move for him, i don't think he's cut out for that sort of challenge just yet. When you're fighting for your life,footballing philosophy and player development become secondary, there's a desperation for points amongst everybody at the club. He's been the right manager at the right time for us, i think the situation at Burton is the complete opposite of that. He'd be better off staying here. [Post edited 11 Nov 7:14]
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| Mcnulty on 08:14 - Nov 11 with 2340 views | James1980 |
He comes across as a dedicated husband and father. Any decision he makes regarding his managerial career. Will have what is best for his family front and centre. | |
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| Mcnulty on 09:41 - Nov 11 with 2148 views | TalkingSutty |
| Mcnulty on 08:14 - Nov 11 by James1980 |
He comes across as a dedicated husband and father. Any decision he makes regarding his managerial career. Will have what is best for his family front and centre. |
True that but we've had many players and managers move on in the past and be castigated for it. If Jim has met up with the people from Burton and fancies the job then good luck to him. I do feel sorry for the Ogdens though, they are funding the 3/5 year plan and probably expected a bit more loyalty having recently given him a three year contract, if he does move to Burton. The Ogden family and the club are the most important issue in all of this, let's not lose sight of that. Jim will do what suits his own personal agenda, so you are right to point that out. It's all hypothetical anyway, even if Jim's applied for the job it doesn't mean he will get it.
Then we are left with another conundrum if he's applied for the job but doesnt get it. We then know we have a manager who is looking to move on should the right job present itself, it's happened very early into his three year contract also. It destabilises the three year plan and doesn't instill confidence in anybody, the Chairman and Directors, the players and the fans. If McNulty has engaged with Burton then there will probably be repercussions, irrespective of if he gets the job or not i think. [Post edited 11 Nov 10:10]
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| Mcnulty on 10:18 - Nov 11 with 2021 views | SuddenLad |
| Mcnulty on 09:41 - Nov 11 by TalkingSutty |
True that but we've had many players and managers move on in the past and be castigated for it. If Jim has met up with the people from Burton and fancies the job then good luck to him. I do feel sorry for the Ogdens though, they are funding the 3/5 year plan and probably expected a bit more loyalty having recently given him a three year contract, if he does move to Burton. The Ogden family and the club are the most important issue in all of this, let's not lose sight of that. Jim will do what suits his own personal agenda, so you are right to point that out. It's all hypothetical anyway, even if Jim's applied for the job it doesn't mean he will get it.
Then we are left with another conundrum if he's applied for the job but doesnt get it. We then know we have a manager who is looking to move on should the right job present itself, it's happened very early into his three year contract also. It destabilises the three year plan and doesn't instill confidence in anybody, the Chairman and Directors, the players and the fans. If McNulty has engaged with Burton then there will probably be repercussions, irrespective of if he gets the job or not i think. [Post edited 11 Nov 10:10]
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Anyone expecting loyalty in modern day football, is either naive in the extreme, or hopelessly away with the fairies.
Jim will surely do what is best for his own personal situation, and rightly so, because that is where his loyalty lies. If he is selected by Burton and he goes, he does so with my blessing. He's been incredibly dedicated to the job he has done here, on the field and as a manager in the dugout.
Any consolation might be that in our current situation, we have a better chance of recruiting a replacement with pedigree than we did when Jim took over.
As ever, the club will always be the primary concern. It's more important than anything else. |  |
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| Mcnulty on 10:36 - Nov 11 with 1936 views | 442Dale |
| Mcnulty on 10:18 - Nov 11 by SuddenLad |
Anyone expecting loyalty in modern day football, is either naive in the extreme, or hopelessly away with the fairies.
Jim will surely do what is best for his own personal situation, and rightly so, because that is where his loyalty lies. If he is selected by Burton and he goes, he does so with my blessing. He's been incredibly dedicated to the job he has done here, on the field and as a manager in the dugout.
Any consolation might be that in our current situation, we have a better chance of recruiting a replacement with pedigree than we did when Jim took over.
As ever, the club will always be the primary concern. It's more important than anything else. |
Spot on.
It’s all hypothetical for the moment, but my only concern would be the size of the current squad for any incoming manager. McNulty has signed them all and they’ll know where they stand, that would be a change that requires managing well. Actually, it’s not the only concern, because obviously the choice of any new manager would be the most important thing and it would require footballing insight to get that right, do we have that at the club? If not, what process can be utilised to get it right?
It could all lead to nothing of course, in which case the club should ensure McNulty is given the opportunity to make it clear about future direction to remove some of the issues TS mentions. |  |
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| Mcnulty on 10:37 - Nov 11 with 1934 views | TalkingSutty |
| Mcnulty on 10:18 - Nov 11 by SuddenLad |
Anyone expecting loyalty in modern day football, is either naive in the extreme, or hopelessly away with the fairies.
Jim will surely do what is best for his own personal situation, and rightly so, because that is where his loyalty lies. If he is selected by Burton and he goes, he does so with my blessing. He's been incredibly dedicated to the job he has done here, on the field and as a manager in the dugout.
Any consolation might be that in our current situation, we have a better chance of recruiting a replacement with pedigree than we did when Jim took over.
As ever, the club will always be the primary concern. It's more important than anything else. |
Another consolation would be that any new manager isn't fire fighting, he's walking into a club that has now been stabilised and he would be working with a good squad of players, many of them on two year contracts. As you say, good luck to Jim if there are any legs in this rumour. I don't think the Burton Job is right for him at this moment in time but it's nothing to do with me. As you say there is no loyalty in football and we've had members of staff declaring their love for the club in the recent past, it means nothing when it comes to personal ambition/ money etc. Ambition and loyalty comes in many forms though and when the ink has barely dried on the three year contract that you signed have you really given yourself a chance to test yourself against the vision that you signed up to? Have you been loyal to the amount of players you've brought in to the club, some who have relocated from the South of England very recently? Players who were probably sold a vision and a project by the manager. Jim leaving would be a big disappointment on several fronts and loyalty is important. Even though football people like to abuse and dismiss loyalty, it's not a good trait and it deserves to be called out [Post edited 11 Nov 11:34]
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