| A question 09:51 - Feb 7 with 7267 views | Boundy |
Ask yourselves this and please respond if you wish
Why would an investment group purchase a football Club in another country with no previous even tenuous connections to that Club ?
If you're not sure then consider this and within that group a set of individuals who may have more money than they know what to do with other than to make more |  |
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| A question on 20:10 - Feb 7 with 903 views | max936 |
| A question on 19:40 - Feb 7 by KeithHaynes |
Following AFC Swansea in the football pyramid step 6 could be fun. |
Step 6 ???
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| A question on 20:18 - Feb 7 with 884 views | KeithHaynes |
| A question on 20:10 - Feb 7 by max936 |
Step 6 ???
I'm lost on that on Keith |
😉 The National League North and National League South form the sixth tier of professional English football. |  |
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| A question on 20:21 - Feb 7 with 871 views | max936 |
| A question on 20:18 - Feb 7 by KeithHaynes |
😉 The National League North and National League South form the sixth tier of professional English football. |
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| A question on 20:31 - Feb 7 with 851 views | Boundy |
| A question on 16:24 - Feb 7 by ReslovenSwan1 |
They have to get to the Premier league. There has been 100% inflation in PL team valuations.. Pie in the sky? Swansea got the play off twice. US people are buyer cheap shares in the club at the Trust's and others expense.
Shares bought at £300k per percent today are worth £2m in the PL.
Martin will be off unless he can shop some fight for the rest of the season. |
I think you'll find our recent play off finals were enhanced by all round quality players can the same be said of today's squad ? By the way a fairly recent PL Club Charlton Athletic are set for a £10 million buyout which includes the ground , so please don't think our current value can drop , it already has with the players valuations . | |
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| A question on 20:38 - Feb 7 with 843 views | SullutaCreturned |
| A question on 16:16 - Feb 7 by ReslovenSwan1 |
They are not idiots and if they hang around long enough they will make good money. It is the Welsh who are the stupid ones and arrogant as well. A bad combination.
Huw Jenkins and co gave the fans group a 10,000% return. They are so stupid they have not sold a single share and many especially on forums detest the man that made them financial kings. In my mind the definition of stone cold losers.
The "Establishment" gave the simple fans a donkey to exercise on Swansea beach for a feeling of engagement in terms of the Standard Rules. An institution that encourages inertia. They have never sold a share because trading is based on the concept of personal gain. The personal gain for the SCST is the VIP perks not cash which they cannot have. If no one can gain then no one works "for the common good" for nothing.
Swansea was sold for £100m with US people buying control for £67m. They will now expand their ownership to around 75-80% with the convertible loan notes.
Swansea was sold for £100m Burnley was sold for £200m last season. If the club is promoted the club will be similar to Burnley. 75% off 200m is £150m for a £85m investment.
Levien and Kaplan have lost £20m but is getting and income from Swansea city fellow investors. The losers are the 28 but they are probably big winers elsewhere. [Post edited 7 Feb 2023 16:20]
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Another trust rant eh. Predictable I guess.
To get promoted the owners will have to spend big money which is the one thing they wont do, haven't you learned that? They are cutting their losses, they are lowering their spending. The fact that with 3/4 astute signings we may have had a shot this season didnt matter enough to convince them to part with a penny.
The Welsh are stupid and arrogant eh? You must surely be talking very close to home there.
How are they getting an income exactly? They needed to persuade another investor to put 10 million in. I don't remember the accounts, are Levein and Kaplan drawing a wage? | | | |
| A question on 20:59 - Feb 7 with 828 views | STID2017 |
| A question on 16:16 - Feb 7 by ReslovenSwan1 |
They are not idiots and if they hang around long enough they will make good money. It is the Welsh who are the stupid ones and arrogant as well. A bad combination.
Huw Jenkins and co gave the fans group a 10,000% return. They are so stupid they have not sold a single share and many especially on forums detest the man that made them financial kings. In my mind the definition of stone cold losers.
The "Establishment" gave the simple fans a donkey to exercise on Swansea beach for a feeling of engagement in terms of the Standard Rules. An institution that encourages inertia. They have never sold a share because trading is based on the concept of personal gain. The personal gain for the SCST is the VIP perks not cash which they cannot have. If no one can gain then no one works "for the common good" for nothing.
Swansea was sold for £100m with US people buying control for £67m. They will now expand their ownership to around 75-80% with the convertible loan notes.
Swansea was sold for £100m Burnley was sold for £200m last season. If the club is promoted the club will be similar to Burnley. 75% off 200m is £150m for a £85m investment.
Levien and Kaplan have lost £20m but is getting and income from Swansea city fellow investors. The losers are the 28 but they are probably big winers elsewhere. [Post edited 7 Feb 2023 16:20]
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How on earth are they going to make good money ?
As much as I would like to believe we will make it back to the Premier League, I cannot see it in the foreseeable future and certainly not while they own us.
The best they will do is keep us solvent by selling players.
How Jenkins played a blinder selling them the club |  |
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| A question on 21:00 - Feb 7 with 826 views | STID2017 |
| A question on 16:19 - Feb 7 by Fireboy2 |
How the hell are they going to make good money? |
Didn't get as far as reading this.
My thoughts exactly though in my reply to Resloven | |
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| A question on 21:03 - Feb 7 with 809 views | Dr_Parnassus |
I still see the narrative that they won’t spend any money.
I repeat:
- Most spent in the last 18 months than any other 18 month period in our football league history
- Most outside investment we have ever had in our history
- Smashed our transfer record for a single player not once, but twice
- Keeping the club solvent despite s particularly harsh financial relegation
This is all a blame deflecting exercise.
If we lose our owners we will be quickly heading for the trap door.
If we lose our manager we will quickly shoot up the league.
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| A question on 21:10 - Feb 7 with 797 views | KeithHaynes |
| A question on 21:03 - Feb 7 by Dr_Parnassus |
I still see the narrative that they won’t spend any money.
I repeat:
- Most spent in the last 18 months than any other 18 month period in our football league history
- Most outside investment we have ever had in our history
- Smashed our transfer record for a single player not once, but twice
- Keeping the club solvent despite s particularly harsh financial relegation
This is all a blame deflecting exercise.
If we lose our owners we will be quickly heading for the trap door.
If we lose our manager we will quickly shoot up the league.
Be careful what you wish for. |
Personally I don’t want them to go.
But I do like a bit of honesty. | |
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| A question on 21:10 - Feb 7 with 797 views | STID2017 |
| A question on 21:03 - Feb 7 by Dr_Parnassus |
I still see the narrative that they won’t spend any money.
I repeat:
- Most spent in the last 18 months than any other 18 month period in our football league history
- Most outside investment we have ever had in our history
- Smashed our transfer record for a single player not once, but twice
- Keeping the club solvent despite s particularly harsh financial relegation
This is all a blame deflecting exercise.
If we lose our owners we will be quickly heading for the trap door.
If we lose our manager we will quickly shoot up the league.
Be careful what you wish for. |
"If we lose our manager we will quickly shoot up the league".
Really ?
That is just opinion and is in no way quantifiable
With who in charge ?
Who worth their salt is going to come here ? | |
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| A question on 21:18 - Feb 7 with 772 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| A question on 21:10 - Feb 7 by STID2017 |
"If we lose our manager we will quickly shoot up the league".
Really ?
That is just opinion and is in no way quantifiable
With who in charge ?
Who worth their salt is going to come here ? |
Anybody competent would get this squad far higher than it is, it’s not a particularly controversial thing to say.
MK Dons saw an immediate impact of his departure and shot up from 13th to 3rd. His style hampers success, it does not promote success.
He’s not had a top half finish in his career and he still doesn’t have us in the top half despite 80+ games and millions spent.
Cooper went to Forest rock bottom of the league after a chunk of the season gone. He got them to 13th in the Premier League in less time than it took Russell Martin to go from 15th to 13th in the Championship.
So as for who would come to us, plenty. | |
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| A question on 21:23 - Feb 7 with 773 views | STID2017 |
| A question on 21:18 - Feb 7 by Dr_Parnassus |
Anybody competent would get this squad far higher than it is, it’s not a particularly controversial thing to say.
MK Dons saw an immediate impact of his departure and shot up from 13th to 3rd. His style hampers success, it does not promote success.
He’s not had a top half finish in his career and he still doesn’t have us in the top half despite 80+ games and millions spent.
Cooper went to Forest rock bottom of the league after a chunk of the season gone. He got them to 13th in the Premier League in less time than it took Russell Martin to go from 15th to 13th in the Championship.
So as for who would come to us, plenty. |
Didn't say it was controversial.
However it is unquantifiable.
So who are the plenty who would come to our basket case of a club ? | |
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| A question on 21:27 - Feb 7 with 757 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| A question on 21:23 - Feb 7 by STID2017 |
Didn't say it was controversial.
However it is unquantifiable.
So who are the plenty who would come to our basket case of a club ? |
I haven’t asked them personally.
Could say the same about the players though, no?
People have been complaining about not bringing in any. Well, “who would come to our basket case club?”
It’s funny everything was rosy a few weeks back, “where we are is great as we were rubbish before” - because anything else of course; would have had to admit it was Russell’s fault.
The second blame can be put elsewhere - suddenly everything is awful and a basket case club. | |
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| A question on 21:31 - Feb 7 with 755 views | onehunglow |
| A question on 21:18 - Feb 7 by Dr_Parnassus |
Anybody competent would get this squad far higher than it is, it’s not a particularly controversial thing to say.
MK Dons saw an immediate impact of his departure and shot up from 13th to 3rd. His style hampers success, it does not promote success.
He’s not had a top half finish in his career and he still doesn’t have us in the top half despite 80+ games and millions spent.
Cooper went to Forest rock bottom of the league after a chunk of the season gone. He got them to 13th in the Premier League in less time than it took Russell Martin to go from 15th to 13th in the Championship.
So as for who would come to us, plenty. |
If I can pop in….most clubs with a new coach move upwards if only temporary.
A new couch would simply address the question why we cannot play for 90 mins and give Dumas goals away
The talent is there to score goals
Maybe abandoning possession obsession .
You can win a game with 20% possession | |
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| A question on 21:36 - Feb 7 with 754 views | STID2017 |
| A question on 21:31 - Feb 7 by onehunglow |
If I can pop in….most clubs with a new coach move upwards if only temporary.
A new couch would simply address the question why we cannot play for 90 mins and give Dumas goals away
The talent is there to score goals
Maybe abandoning possession obsession .
You can win a game with 20% possession |
Maybe ask Southampton how that theory is working for them ?
New manager bounce isn't always a given | |
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| A question on 21:37 - Feb 7 with 749 views | onehunglow |
| A question on 21:36 - Feb 7 by STID2017 |
Maybe ask Southampton how that theory is working for them ?
New manager bounce isn't always a given |
Isolated case .
I knew you d come up with that | |
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| A question on 21:41 - Feb 7 with 748 views | STID2017 |
| A question on 21:37 - Feb 7 by onehunglow |
Isolated case .
I knew you d come up with that |
I aim to please | |
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| A question on 21:43 - Feb 7 with 742 views | onehunglow |
| A question on 21:41 - Feb 7 by STID2017 |
I aim to please |
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| A question on 21:51 - Feb 7 with 739 views | deepdale81 |
| A question on 14:58 - Feb 7 by Dr_Winston |
At least we're agreed that they knew relegation was a possibility. |
The Financial times followed them around at the time when they took it over and subsequent season.I read it and remember it stated they did Not realise there could be relegation. | | | |
| A question on 22:05 - Feb 7 with 714 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| A question on 20:38 - Feb 7 by SullutaCreturned |
Another trust rant eh. Predictable I guess.
To get promoted the owners will have to spend big money which is the one thing they wont do, haven't you learned that? They are cutting their losses, they are lowering their spending. The fact that with 3/4 astute signings we may have had a shot this season didnt matter enough to convince them to part with a penny.
The Welsh are stupid and arrogant eh? You must surely be talking very close to home there.
How are they getting an income exactly? They needed to persuade another investor to put 10 million in. I don't remember the accounts, are Levein and Kaplan drawing a wage? |
The owners if they see a realistic prospect of a play off or promotion would make a move. Three or four highly rated players were given to Cooper. Woodman, Guehi, Gallagher, Brewster, Surridge, Gibbs White, Goykeres. That is a who's who list of young talent talent. Ayew thrown in.
That did not work so he got two full USA internationals out of the blue. Cooper was backed to the hilt all be it with Coopers own contact book.
The US owners have seen the light with Martin. He has been given his head and after 18 months Swansea are no further up the table and the self destruct traits persist. Silverstein and Levien are not willing to fund Martin's whims any more. In my opinion they want to see him perform without new faces. Develop what he has.
He is the manager and the mangers job is to get the workers under his control to work and that includes Patterson. Schumaker got Whitaker to be a star. Lets see how Martin does. He has to pull his finger out and change the dynamic. That mean points and clean sheets. Being unlucky is not good enough. Martin might have to rely on Liam Walsh to get him out of a hole.
I am Welsh and am depressed at the mess the members have made of the Trust. A leaderless clueless bunch. I explained e yesterday how they get a wage if they have set up a Hedge fund or similar. Levien and Kaplan have made millions out of DC United. It's valuation is up $570m million in 12 years. Any investors with them do not worry about little old Swansea's losses. As long as they are twined they are more than happy.
Levien's body language was not that of a loser. He has lost £25m on Swansea but could have got half of that back in management fund fees. Silverstein a late comer was more stressed.
Levien and Silverstein are fed up being called 'stupid Yanks' have bailed the club out for the last 3 years. Taffy who threatened to sue predictably folded when push came to shove. They have $1m. enough to keep Matt Grimes going for another year. That is it.
No one talked "Nest egg" in 2016. That was the problem.
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| A question on 22:31 - Feb 7 with 694 views | Fireboy2 |
| A question on 21:51 - Feb 7 by deepdale81 |
The Financial times followed them around at the time when they took it over and subsequent season.I read it and remember it stated they did Not realise there could be relegation. |
Dr W won't believe you. |  | | |
| A question on 22:45 - Feb 7 with 688 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| A question on 21:10 - Feb 7 by KeithHaynes |
Personally I don’t want them to go.
But I do like a bit of honesty. |
There was no investment in January because Martin does not play the players he brings in and he does not like players everybody else wants.
The US owners cannot tell Martin who to play so they have taken away his options. The did not want to sell Whitaker. They wanted Martin to develop him. Selling Whitaker and giving bundles of the cash to to the 33 year old Burnley battler on the skids does not float their boat at all.
Martin ball was a nice concept but got Swansea not one place higher in the league. With relegation not a realistic prospect the Owners will give Martin 3 months to get results. His days are numbered. The money will be kept for the new man and I suspect the owners are already searching for him. They have a man on the board with good instinctsin finding managers.
Hopefully Martin himself will have seen the light and get his "young men" in fighting mentality. I would bring back Joseph as well and innovate. Try him as RWB. If he can demonstrate his methods work he will see some of the cash saved this January. It is up to him to adapt. More of the same will not do it. Pearson at Bristol City has seen improvement playing the kids. He was also on the road to nowhere. | |
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| A question on 22:58 - Feb 7 with 681 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| A question on 21:51 - Feb 7 by deepdale81 |
The Financial times followed them around at the time when they took it over and subsequent season.I read it and remember it stated they did Not realise there could be relegation. |
They spent a year looking over the club and would have done a risk assessment. If Swansea went up the league under Jenkins then it stands to reason teams must get relegated. it is a simple logic. Swansea had some relegation concerns before they bought the club. A win over Chelsea banished them and the went ahead after the risk had gone.
Swansea had always has a dubious track record in recruitment of players. David Ledbetter did well at academy level but was found out in the PL with a 50%+ duffer ratio. It worked best with the manager in the driving seat. Clement brought Sanches using his inside knowledge and that was a disaster. | |
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| A question on 23:01 - Feb 7 with 680 views | STID2017 |
| A question on 21:51 - Feb 7 by deepdale81 |
The Financial times followed them around at the time when they took it over and subsequent season.I read it and remember it stated they did Not realise there could be relegation. |
Oh dear.
Gives further creedence to the accusations of incompetence.
Also makes you wonder at the tests for fit and proper owners. | |
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| A question on 23:02 - Feb 7 with 679 views | cadleigh |
The consortium haven’t lost a penny as a result of investing in shares in the club, unless you count the lost opportunity cost of not banking their money in a ‘high interest’ account or risking it on the stock exchange.
Their shares are currently worth a great deal less than they paid for them because we are one league below where we were when they bought them. As soon as we go back up, they will revert to their previous value and more besides, and the shareholders will make a handsome profit when they sell.
You could make a very good case for buying a club like Swansea, dropping down to a lower division for a few years where the salaries are less insane and therefore the risk of running up bad debts is far less, and then picking your moment to bounce back when the market was at its peak. But you’d have to be very smart to pull that off. And why would you choose to buy high rather than buying a club like Brentford?
But the fact remains, they have not lost a penny, and won’t unless/until they sell for less than they paid. | |
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