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"I was mightily troubled with a looseness, and feeling for a chamber-pott, there was none, I having called the maid up out of her bed, she had forgot I suppose to put one there; so I was forced in this strange house to rise and shit in the chimney twice."
Beer and Beef has made us what we are - The Prince Regent
I'm sure it wasn't based on two days of hot weather but decades of data that unequivocally prove the direction of climate travel.
What you were taught at school was probably a number of decades ago. Things are changing. That's the entire point.
How seriously do you take people who haven't the first idea about football denying what you say about the laws of the game?
BUT, we haven't ever been a 'cold' country, unless you're trying to tell me that we moved from temperate to cold in the last 40 years? - that's utter nonsense.
Of course I agree that there is a massive difference between weather and climate, another quote I learnt at school "Britain has no climate, only weather" and that any 2 days can't be used as an argument for/against climate change - so its a complete coincidence that he made that remark on the hottest day ever then?
I am no expert as I said, but its factual that we do NOT have a "cold" climate.
BUT, we haven't ever been a 'cold' country, unless you're trying to tell me that we moved from temperate to cold in the last 40 years? - that's utter nonsense.
Of course I agree that there is a massive difference between weather and climate, another quote I learnt at school "Britain has no climate, only weather" and that any 2 days can't be used as an argument for/against climate change - so its a complete coincidence that he made that remark on the hottest day ever then?
I am no expert as I said, but its factual that we do NOT have a "cold" climate.
I think you're splitting hairs. What's important is the message, climate change is here and if we don't do something about it fast it's going to get exponentially worse.
I think you're splitting hairs. What's important is the message, climate change is here and if we don't do something about it fast it's going to get exponentially worse.
I don't think stating facts is splitting hairs and just to prove my Geography teacher knew what he was talking about and that our climate didn't suddenly become 'cold' in the last 40 years......
In general terms dealing with topics of this nature,people don't want to hear your opinions just their opinions coming out of your mouth.
Absolutely bang on mate - the famous LFW entrenchment with belittlement and sarcasm the go to when people aren't parroting your view back to you.
My position on this particular topic has been formed by what I have learnt from my day job and the really knowledgeable and erudite people I work with; one of whom did a thesis on energy in his finals degree sometime ago. The current buzz in my field is embodied carbon and it's pure madness - everything you make or move has a carbon footprint. Even my industry's new approach to the circular economy generates this as reusing old furniture by "upcycling" or repair etc means new components, haulage etc. The absolute classic here is electric vehicles.... now not even the sceptic in me can deny that it's got to be better for roadside air quality to have cars that do not emit CO2 etc in use. However, do not try and convince me these vehicles are environmentally friendly as you need to consider the manufacture of them and specifically the lithium batteries and what happens with the disposal of these; likewise generating electricity to fuel them etc, etc Don't shout "bikes" at me either as I'll simply shout back embodied carbon of frames, seats, rubber tyres, the stupid lycra worn etc, etc.
R From Afar nails it -- efficiencies in energy and use of renewables is key. I would also add my own personal gripe of waste and rubbish pollution with single use plastics number one for me. He also nails it on agendas - if I am selling air source heat pumps of course I'm going to peddle a certain view. I'll tell you how great these are whereas, in fact, we have minimal data to prove they are decent long term or that the payback for these is worth it etc, etc, etc
I do not buy into this theory that we're all going to explode next year because we're not all eating tofu and using horses to get from A to B (consider the methane!!!). Yes the climate of the UK is changing but why shouldn't it? This is what the globe has done, on it's own, for centuries and will continue to do so. If you can explain to me why in Roman times Middlesbrough (plus many other UK areas) was warm enough to be a big vineyard and then gradually it couldn't no more due to climate being less temperate I'll be more on board. Especially if you can convince me Juluis Geordieus The Third starting driving round in a twin exhaust SUV, put extra coal on his open fire and ate too much red meat meaning the ozone layer got trollied and everything became colder.
So I'm happy where I'm at - the environment needs looking after, reduction = savings; but, to swallow the Greta mantra is the stuff of madness and I believe the variance in climate is a natural phenomena which would have happened no matter what. I'll try to make the best of hot days, long hot summers are just what we need, and I'll also enjoy cold winter as best as poss. That's it for me.
Cherish and enjoy life.... this ain't no dress rehearsal
its typical of the media to try and create hysteria and a major crisis out of the recent heatwave so i understand when you get pushback from from people
that said people that still deny anthropological climate change are on a par with flat earthers having just watched film of the earth from a space station and still insisting the earth is flat and this round earth malarky is all a con
Climate change is a real thing but I think most fires are caused by people. Goes without saying but things heating up ,drying out etc will create a more fire friendly environment. The UK is less equipped for hot weather than say country's sitting on the equater for example. Media likes to just stir shit up. I've enjoyed the hot weather.
New mantra for climate activists in the music industry is "Buy Less Vinyl"
Are you on board with that?!
Cherish and enjoy life.... this ain't no dress rehearsal
Absolutely bang on mate - the famous LFW entrenchment with belittlement and sarcasm the go to when people aren't parroting your view back to you.
My position on this particular topic has been formed by what I have learnt from my day job and the really knowledgeable and erudite people I work with; one of whom did a thesis on energy in his finals degree sometime ago. The current buzz in my field is embodied carbon and it's pure madness - everything you make or move has a carbon footprint. Even my industry's new approach to the circular economy generates this as reusing old furniture by "upcycling" or repair etc means new components, haulage etc. The absolute classic here is electric vehicles.... now not even the sceptic in me can deny that it's got to be better for roadside air quality to have cars that do not emit CO2 etc in use. However, do not try and convince me these vehicles are environmentally friendly as you need to consider the manufacture of them and specifically the lithium batteries and what happens with the disposal of these; likewise generating electricity to fuel them etc, etc Don't shout "bikes" at me either as I'll simply shout back embodied carbon of frames, seats, rubber tyres, the stupid lycra worn etc, etc.
R From Afar nails it -- efficiencies in energy and use of renewables is key. I would also add my own personal gripe of waste and rubbish pollution with single use plastics number one for me. He also nails it on agendas - if I am selling air source heat pumps of course I'm going to peddle a certain view. I'll tell you how great these are whereas, in fact, we have minimal data to prove they are decent long term or that the payback for these is worth it etc, etc, etc
I do not buy into this theory that we're all going to explode next year because we're not all eating tofu and using horses to get from A to B (consider the methane!!!). Yes the climate of the UK is changing but why shouldn't it? This is what the globe has done, on it's own, for centuries and will continue to do so. If you can explain to me why in Roman times Middlesbrough (plus many other UK areas) was warm enough to be a big vineyard and then gradually it couldn't no more due to climate being less temperate I'll be more on board. Especially if you can convince me Juluis Geordieus The Third starting driving round in a twin exhaust SUV, put extra coal on his open fire and ate too much red meat meaning the ozone layer got trollied and everything became colder.
So I'm happy where I'm at - the environment needs looking after, reduction = savings; but, to swallow the Greta mantra is the stuff of madness and I believe the variance in climate is a natural phenomena which would have happened no matter what. I'll try to make the best of hot days, long hot summers are just what we need, and I'll also enjoy cold winter as best as poss. That's it for me.
It is slightly rich to be booting off about "belittlement and sarcasm" when your own contributions to this thread include...
Is there an estimate as to when we are all going to either be turned into charcoal or drown in our beds due to rising sea levels?
Next you’ll be telling me the dinosaurs didn’t die because they started tearing around the Jurassic motorways in SUVs but instead the earth naturally progressed
It is slightly rich to be booting off about "belittlement and sarcasm" when your own contributions to this thread include...
Is there an estimate as to when we are all going to either be turned into charcoal or drown in our beds due to rising sea levels?
Next you’ll be telling me the dinosaurs didn’t die because they started tearing around the Jurassic motorways in SUVs but instead the earth naturally progressed
or that we used to have a cold climate.......................
Once again its not a for/against argument I'm pursuing, just the methods people use to argue the case.
Another example that has always stuck in my mind was some 'expert' saying the PL contributed 'nothing to the economy' - now you don't need to be an economist to know that is utter nonsense, however you feel about the PL and everything that surrounds it.
If things are going to get warmer and episodes such as the last two days becoming more common then we in the UK have a problem in that most properties will have been insulated in order to keep heat in during the winter. That same insulation then turns your home into an oven in the summer.
I think you're splitting hairs. What's important is the message, climate change is here and if we don't do something about it fast it's going to get exponentially worse.
There's a point to be made here about journalists not reporting facts anymore and being solely focused on delivering messages - Activist journalism I suppose you can sympathetically call it. I prefer Post-truth. Or Newspeak. It's everywhere and it's cancer.
"Someone despises me. That's their problem." Marcus Aurelius
There's a point to be made here about journalists not reporting facts anymore and being solely focused on delivering messages - Activist journalism I suppose you can sympathetically call it. I prefer Post-truth. Or Newspeak. It's everywhere and it's cancer.
'Client journalism' another term that gets thrown around. If it's depressing for you, imagine when it's your profession. Watching the whole thing descend into the mud. Disgusting, grim, wrong, enormously damaging to society.
Absolutely bang on mate - the famous LFW entrenchment with belittlement and sarcasm the go to when people aren't parroting your view back to you.
My position on this particular topic has been formed by what I have learnt from my day job and the really knowledgeable and erudite people I work with; one of whom did a thesis on energy in his finals degree sometime ago. The current buzz in my field is embodied carbon and it's pure madness - everything you make or move has a carbon footprint. Even my industry's new approach to the circular economy generates this as reusing old furniture by "upcycling" or repair etc means new components, haulage etc. The absolute classic here is electric vehicles.... now not even the sceptic in me can deny that it's got to be better for roadside air quality to have cars that do not emit CO2 etc in use. However, do not try and convince me these vehicles are environmentally friendly as you need to consider the manufacture of them and specifically the lithium batteries and what happens with the disposal of these; likewise generating electricity to fuel them etc, etc Don't shout "bikes" at me either as I'll simply shout back embodied carbon of frames, seats, rubber tyres, the stupid lycra worn etc, etc.
R From Afar nails it -- efficiencies in energy and use of renewables is key. I would also add my own personal gripe of waste and rubbish pollution with single use plastics number one for me. He also nails it on agendas - if I am selling air source heat pumps of course I'm going to peddle a certain view. I'll tell you how great these are whereas, in fact, we have minimal data to prove they are decent long term or that the payback for these is worth it etc, etc, etc
I do not buy into this theory that we're all going to explode next year because we're not all eating tofu and using horses to get from A to B (consider the methane!!!). Yes the climate of the UK is changing but why shouldn't it? This is what the globe has done, on it's own, for centuries and will continue to do so. If you can explain to me why in Roman times Middlesbrough (plus many other UK areas) was warm enough to be a big vineyard and then gradually it couldn't no more due to climate being less temperate I'll be more on board. Especially if you can convince me Juluis Geordieus The Third starting driving round in a twin exhaust SUV, put extra coal on his open fire and ate too much red meat meaning the ozone layer got trollied and everything became colder.
So I'm happy where I'm at - the environment needs looking after, reduction = savings; but, to swallow the Greta mantra is the stuff of madness and I believe the variance in climate is a natural phenomena which would have happened no matter what. I'll try to make the best of hot days, long hot summers are just what we need, and I'll also enjoy cold winter as best as poss. That's it for me.
Greta's right and you're wrong. It's anthropological. Simple as that.
This sea level thing.Sly News set up a"climate change" camp near the low lying Fairbourne,Wales hoping fervently it would be inundated by "rising sea levels". Guess what?I know the estate agents in that area and mortgages are still being handed out on properties there. Sky News has moved on....
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I think the issue with Fairbourne is not so much that it is imminent, rather, that it is inevitable.
The year when it is predicted that it will have to be abandoned is given as 2054 in this video, so that news crew would've had quite a wait!
Perhaps that is why mortgages are still being handed out.
Think about it, though, 2054 is a prediction, there's no guarantee that people have over 30 years. It could be less, it could be more.
Imagine, a whole community moved. Frightening, but if we continue on our current emissions trajectory, a lot of places will have to be abandoned, it will be too costly to protect them. The cost of protecting coastlines against sea level rise is around £5000 per metre, it's eye-watering. I saw an estimate of the cost of protecting the entire coastline of the US. It was $155bn, which though colossal, sounds conservative to me.
"Things had started becoming increasingly desperate at Loftus Road but QPR have been handed a massive lifeline and the place has absolutely erupted. it's carnage. It's bedlam. It's 1-1."
Absolutely bang on mate - the famous LFW entrenchment with belittlement and sarcasm the go to when people aren't parroting your view back to you.
My position on this particular topic has been formed by what I have learnt from my day job and the really knowledgeable and erudite people I work with; one of whom did a thesis on energy in his finals degree sometime ago. The current buzz in my field is embodied carbon and it's pure madness - everything you make or move has a carbon footprint. Even my industry's new approach to the circular economy generates this as reusing old furniture by "upcycling" or repair etc means new components, haulage etc. The absolute classic here is electric vehicles.... now not even the sceptic in me can deny that it's got to be better for roadside air quality to have cars that do not emit CO2 etc in use. However, do not try and convince me these vehicles are environmentally friendly as you need to consider the manufacture of them and specifically the lithium batteries and what happens with the disposal of these; likewise generating electricity to fuel them etc, etc Don't shout "bikes" at me either as I'll simply shout back embodied carbon of frames, seats, rubber tyres, the stupid lycra worn etc, etc.
R From Afar nails it -- efficiencies in energy and use of renewables is key. I would also add my own personal gripe of waste and rubbish pollution with single use plastics number one for me. He also nails it on agendas - if I am selling air source heat pumps of course I'm going to peddle a certain view. I'll tell you how great these are whereas, in fact, we have minimal data to prove they are decent long term or that the payback for these is worth it etc, etc, etc
I do not buy into this theory that we're all going to explode next year because we're not all eating tofu and using horses to get from A to B (consider the methane!!!). Yes the climate of the UK is changing but why shouldn't it? This is what the globe has done, on it's own, for centuries and will continue to do so. If you can explain to me why in Roman times Middlesbrough (plus many other UK areas) was warm enough to be a big vineyard and then gradually it couldn't no more due to climate being less temperate I'll be more on board. Especially if you can convince me Juluis Geordieus The Third starting driving round in a twin exhaust SUV, put extra coal on his open fire and ate too much red meat meaning the ozone layer got trollied and everything became colder.
So I'm happy where I'm at - the environment needs looking after, reduction = savings; but, to swallow the Greta mantra is the stuff of madness and I believe the variance in climate is a natural phenomena which would have happened no matter what. I'll try to make the best of hot days, long hot summers are just what we need, and I'll also enjoy cold winter as best as poss. That's it for me.
Some ramblings after the >>
Absolutely bang on mate - the famous LFW entrenchment with belittlement and sarcasm the go to when people aren't parroting your view back to you.
My position on this particular topic has been formed by what I have learnt from my day job and the really knowledgeable and erudite people I work with; one of whom did a thesis on energy in his finals degree sometime ago. The current buzz in my field is embodied carbon and it's pure madness - everything you make or move has a carbon footprint. Even my industry's new approach to the circular economy generates this as reusing old furniture by "upcycling" or repair etc means new components, haulage etc.
>> Yes, true, but, as an example, you generate fewer greenhouse gas emissions if (a big if, it’s not easy) you repair a smartphone rather than buying a new one.
The absolute classic here is electric vehicles.... now not even the sceptic in me can deny that it's got to be better for roadside air quality to have cars that do not emit CO2 etc in use. However, do not try and convince me these vehicles are environmentally friendly as you need to consider the manufacture of them and specifically the lithium batteries and what happens with the disposal of these; likewise generating electricity to fuel them etc, etc Don't shout "bikes" at me either as I'll simply shout back embodied carbon of frames, seats, rubber tyres, the stupid lycra worn etc, etc.
>> Fair point, electric vehicles aren’t green, but, depending on how the local grid electricity is generated (or if you use you own solar panels or wind turbine to charge your vehicle), they are greener than diesel or petrol ones. The best thing really is to cycle or even better, walk. If you live somewhere where grid electricity is produced using the dirtiest of coals, e.g. lignite (e.g. in Greece or Poland), your electric vehicle might not be much greener. At least some car manufacturers have thought about what happens to a vehicle’s lithium battery when the car is scrapped and the idea is that they can be used as standalone electricity storage units. The promotional material for the new electric Megane talks about this. The other thing with lithium is that if you are really dead set against it — and mining it is not a clean process, although nor is extracting fossil fuels (have you seen the Alberta tar sands?) — then most products with rechargeable batteries will be off limits (e.g. smartphones, laptops, lawnmowers, power tools, electric toothbrushes).
R From Afar nails it -- efficiencies in energy and use of renewables is key. I would also add my own personal gripe of waste and rubbish pollution with single use plastics number one for me. He also nails it on agendas - if I am selling air source heat pumps of course I'm going to peddle a certain view. I'll tell you how great these are whereas, in fact, we have minimal data to prove they are decent long term or that the payback for these is worth it etc, etc, etc
>> Thanks for the compliment! 😊
I do not buy into this theory that we're all going to explode next year because we're not all eating tofu and using horses to get from A to B (consider the methane!!!). Yes the climate of the UK is changing but why shouldn't it? This is what the globe has done, on it's own, for centuries and will continue to do so.
>> Yes, the climate does change naturally but what mankind does to it in terms of emissions makes a difference. The myriad climate analyses which have proved that we are changing the climate take into account solar cycles and other natural climate variations but those analyses have shown that natural causes cannot explain the dramatic rise in temperatures in recent decades. One of the key scientists behind the hockey stick curve wasn’t even looking for the human impact on climate when he stumbled upon it.
If you can explain to me why in Roman times Middlesbrough (plus many other UK areas) was warm enough to be a big vineyard and then gradually it couldn't no more due to climate being less temperate I'll be more on board. Especially if you can convince me Juluis Geordieus The Third starting driving round in a twin exhaust SUV, put extra coal on his open fire and ate too much red meat meaning the ozone layer got trollied and everything became colder.
>> The Middlesbrough thing, and the medieval warm period and the little ice age, are local or regional things. What matters where the earth’s climate is concerned is *global* average temperatures. While we in the UK were experiencing that medieval warm period, average global temperatures were lower than today.
So I'm happy where I'm at - the environment needs looking after, reduction = savings; but, to swallow the Greta mantra is the stuff of madness and I believe the variance in climate is a natural phenomena which would have happened no matter what. I'll try to make the best of hot days, long hot summers are just what we need, and I'll also enjoy cold winter as best as poss. That's it for me.
"Things had started becoming increasingly desperate at Loftus Road but QPR have been handed a massive lifeline and the place has absolutely erupted. it's carnage. It's bedlam. It's 1-1."
its typical of the media to try and create hysteria and a major crisis out of the recent heatwave so i understand when you get pushback from from people
that said people that still deny anthropological climate change are on a par with flat earthers having just watched film of the earth from a space station and still insisting the earth is flat and this round earth malarky is all a con
Chemtrails were brought up earlier so don’t hold your breath.
I think the issue with Fairbourne is not so much that it is imminent, rather, that it is inevitable.
The year when it is predicted that it will have to be abandoned is given as 2054 in this video, so that news crew would've had quite a wait!
Perhaps that is why mortgages are still being handed out.
Think about it, though, 2054 is a prediction, there's no guarantee that people have over 30 years. It could be less, it could be more.
Imagine, a whole community moved. Frightening, but if we continue on our current emissions trajectory, a lot of places will have to be abandoned, it will be too costly to protect them. The cost of protecting coastlines against sea level rise is around £5000 per metre, it's eye-watering. I saw an estimate of the cost of protecting the entire coastline of the US. It was $155bn, which though colossal, sounds conservative to me.
Isn't it amazing how matters,with absolute certainty,can be forecast 35 years down the line yet next couple of weeks are an absolute mystery? And please don't say climate has nothing to do with weather - it's like saying The Bible has nothing to do with JC. The Sun rules all despite pathetic attempts by Our Favourite Billionaire to fill the skies full of chalk or whatever.Our Pasty Faced Greta could do with a bit of sun,she's looking a bit frayed around the edges. And please don't forget underwater volcanoes as a climate driver,El Nino/El Nina mentions have also been rather quiet of late.
'Client journalism' another term that gets thrown around. If it's depressing for you, imagine when it's your profession. Watching the whole thing descend into the mud. Disgusting, grim, wrong, enormously damaging to society.
But one must always respect the wishes and sensitivities of the advertisers.
In the late 1980's these scientist were telling us that the North Pole would be gone by 2015.They were wrong then perhaps there wrong now.Mind you if they were talking about the North Pole pub they would have been right unfortunately.
"I was mightily troubled with a looseness, and feeling for a chamber-pott, there was none, I having called the maid up out of her bed, she had forgot I suppose to put one there; so I was forced in this strange house to rise and shit in the chimney twice."
Isn't it amazing how matters,with absolute certainty,can be forecast 35 years down the line yet next couple of weeks are an absolute mystery? And please don't say climate has nothing to do with weather - it's like saying The Bible has nothing to do with JC. The Sun rules all despite pathetic attempts by Our Favourite Billionaire to fill the skies full of chalk or whatever.Our Pasty Faced Greta could do with a bit of sun,she's looking a bit frayed around the edges. And please don't forget underwater volcanoes as a climate driver,El Nino/El Nina mentions have also been rather quiet of late.
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You try to attribute climate change to anything other than what the vast majority of scientists say is the cause. And that is human beings. We have, in multiple ways, caused huge amounts of CO2 and other global warming gasses to be released into the atmosphere. The level of CO2 currently in the atmosphere is the highest it's been for 3 million years.
Given that the previous hottest day was in 2019, isn't the evidence of climate change, even with ignoring the experts, pretty compelling.
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