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NFR but Rochdale related 10:40 - Jul 15 with 6241 viewswimborne_dale

The story of a young lady from Rochdale who was groomed by a gang then victimised by the police and courts.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000kv7v

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[Post edited 15 Jul 2020 10:43]

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NFR but Rochdale related on 10:55 - Jul 15 with 5114 viewsD_Alien

Listened to this last night

When you have experienced police officers resigning in disgust at the way their colleagues dealt with the pleas for help from the girls, and later from the young women not given the protection promised when testifying in court, it's as scandalous as the perpetrators

And included in that is the decision not to prosecute in many cases by the Crown Prosecution Service, headed by Keir Starmer during the relevant period 2008-13

I hope the civil action being brought by one Rochdale girl (now aged about 30) against the police & CPS exposes the whole rotten culture

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NFR but Rochdale related on 14:23 - Jul 15 with 4947 viewsDiddyDave

So what did Keir Starmer get his knighthood for? Services to the community no doubt.
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NFR but Rochdale related on 14:34 - Jul 15 with 4931 viewsBigKindo

NFR but Rochdale related on 14:23 - Jul 15 by DiddyDave

So what did Keir Starmer get his knighthood for? Services to the community no doubt.


According to The Yorkshire Post he specialised in human rights.

How did Keir Starmer get a knighthood?
Sir Keir Starmer's knighthood comes from his time as a defence lawyer specialising in human rights issues.

The London born politician had a career in law before entering politics, for which he received high acclaim.

Starmer's career in law began in 1987, when he became a barrister at the 'Middle Temple', one of four 'Inns of Court' exclusively entitled to call their members to the 'English Bar' as barrister.

He also became a member of Doughty Street Chambers - a set of barristers' chambers situated in Bristol, Manchester and London's Doughty Street - and notably worked on the defence of the famed 'McLibel' case.

The case saw environmental activists Helen Steel and David Morris up against McDonald's, who claimed a factsheet critical of the company handed out by the activists was libellous.

Starmer was appointed Queen's Counsel in 2002 at the age of 39, and in the same year, became joint head of Doughty Street Chambers.

Starmer also served as a human rights adviser to the Northern Ireland Policing Board and the Association of Chief Police Officers, and was a member of the Foreign Office Death Penalty Advisory Panel; he was named "QC of the Year" by the UK legal directory in 2007.

In 2008, Starmer named as the new Head of the Crown Prosecution Service and Director of Public Prosecutions; the person occupying the position, which they typically do for five year terms, plays a significant role in whether prosecutions are taken up.

All of Sir Keir's predecessors received knighthoods for the role, and he was no different.

Starmer received his knighthood in the 2014 New Year Honours, for "services to law and criminal justice".
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NFR but Rochdale related on 16:47 - Jul 15 with 4828 viewsAncoats_Blue

NFR but Rochdale related on 14:23 - Jul 15 by DiddyDave

So what did Keir Starmer get his knighthood for? Services to the community no doubt.


Always question your sources.

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-starmer-grooming-victims/false-clai
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NFR but Rochdale related on 16:53 - Jul 15 with 4817 viewsrochdaleriddler

NFR but Rochdale related on 16:47 - Jul 15 by Ancoats_Blue

Always question your sources.

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-starmer-grooming-victims/false-clai


People don’t because it suits their narrow bigoted ends

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NFR but Rochdale related on 17:02 - Jul 15 with 4797 viewsrochdaleriddler

NFR but Rochdale related on 10:55 - Jul 15 by D_Alien

Listened to this last night

When you have experienced police officers resigning in disgust at the way their colleagues dealt with the pleas for help from the girls, and later from the young women not given the protection promised when testifying in court, it's as scandalous as the perpetrators

And included in that is the decision not to prosecute in many cases by the Crown Prosecution Service, headed by Keir Starmer during the relevant period 2008-13

I hope the civil action being brought by one Rochdale girl (now aged about 30) against the police & CPS exposes the whole rotten culture


https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/05/20/its-time-to-tell-the-truth-about-groomi

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NFR but Rochdale related on 17:19 - Jul 15 with 4773 viewsrochdaleriddler

I’d love to know why successive Tory Home Secretaries have failed to deport the convicted ones, who lost their appeals.

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NFR but Rochdale related on 17:38 - Jul 15 with 4751 viewsBrierls

Why the fcuk does any serious thread have to be politicized?
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NFR but Rochdale related on 17:48 - Jul 15 with 4740 viewsblackdogblue

NFR but Rochdale related on 17:38 - Jul 15 by Brierls

Why the fcuk does any serious thread have to be politicized?


Thought we agreed to leave politics off the forum?

On the OP, scandalous what happened in our town, it has happened in many others but we will always be the end of chants because ours was the first high profile one...

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NFR but Rochdale related on 18:43 - Jul 15 with 4687 viewsrochdaleriddler

NFR but Rochdale related on 17:38 - Jul 15 by Brierls

Why the fcuk does any serious thread have to be politicized?


Ask the person who made the first political point

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NFR but Rochdale related on 18:54 - Jul 15 with 4658 viewsD_Alien

NFR but Rochdale related on 18:43 - Jul 15 by rochdaleriddler

Ask the person who made the first political point


I didn't make a political point. If the CPS is to be scrutinized via a court case during the period in question, it's only natural that it's leadership will be part of that scrutiny. I think Keir Starmer is a good choice for Labour in seeking to renew itself, and i've said as much before on here, so no axe to grind

In fact, i hope the case doesn't distract him from his current leadership challenges

It's sad to see how narrow your focus has become in recent times riddler

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NFR but Rochdale related on 19:03 - Jul 15 with 4635 viewstony_roch975

NFR but Rochdale related on 18:54 - Jul 15 by D_Alien

I didn't make a political point. If the CPS is to be scrutinized via a court case during the period in question, it's only natural that it's leadership will be part of that scrutiny. I think Keir Starmer is a good choice for Labour in seeking to renew itself, and i've said as much before on here, so no axe to grind

In fact, i hope the case doesn't distract him from his current leadership challenges

It's sad to see how narrow your focus has become in recent times riddler

[Post edited 15 Jul 2020 18:56]


then why mention who was head of the CPP at the time - you do want it both ways

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NFR but Rochdale related on 19:05 - Jul 15 with 4618 viewsD_Alien

NFR but Rochdale related on 19:03 - Jul 15 by tony_roch975

then why mention who was head of the CPP at the time - you do want it both ways


I've just said why

What do i want both ways??

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NFR but Rochdale related on 19:24 - Jul 15 with 4596 viewsrod_leach

https://www.itv.com/news/2020-05-14/minister-accused-of-spreading-fake-news-abou

I heard Nazir Afzal speak a couple of years ago in the Town Hall. He was impressive. I'll take what he has to say about his old boss Keir Starmer before anything else to be honest
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NFR but Rochdale related on 19:31 - Jul 15 with 4570 viewsD_Alien

NFR but Rochdale related on 19:24 - Jul 15 by rod_leach

https://www.itv.com/news/2020-05-14/minister-accused-of-spreading-fake-news-abou

I heard Nazir Afzal speak a couple of years ago in the Town Hall. He was impressive. I'll take what he has to say about his old boss Keir Starmer before anything else to be honest
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Indeed, he always comes across as balanced and objective when he appears on tv

Afzal's been a leading figure in advocating that police forces shouldn't be deterred by cultural sensitivities when pursuing those guilty of criminal acts

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NFR but Rochdale related on 19:41 - Jul 15 with 4544 viewsrochdaleriddler

NFR but Rochdale related on 18:54 - Jul 15 by D_Alien

I didn't make a political point. If the CPS is to be scrutinized via a court case during the period in question, it's only natural that it's leadership will be part of that scrutiny. I think Keir Starmer is a good choice for Labour in seeking to renew itself, and i've said as much before on here, so no axe to grind

In fact, i hope the case doesn't distract him from his current leadership challenges

It's sad to see how narrow your focus has become in recent times riddler

[Post edited 15 Jul 2020 18:56]


I’m no fanboy of Starmer, you know as well as I do that the story about him not wanting to prosecute grooming gangs was a Tory lie. It was tweeted by some Tory MP’s who were rebuked for it. It is therefore a political point you make. The only political point I made, was that successive Tory Home Secretaries have failed to deport convicted groomers despite promising to do so. Given that I have hardly posted for months, I’m not sure how you know what my focus is?

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NFR but Rochdale related on 20:05 - Jul 15 with 4505 viewsnordenblue

NFR but Rochdale related on 19:31 - Jul 15 by D_Alien

Indeed, he always comes across as balanced and objective when he appears on tv

Afzal's been a leading figure in advocating that police forces shouldn't be deterred by cultural sensitivities when pursuing those guilty of criminal acts


On about being cultural, I see him in the Chinese very regularly near me (believe it ot not) and he always comes across as a very decent genuine guy happy to chat
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NFR but Rochdale related on 20:44 - Jul 15 with 4469 viewsrochdaleriddler

NFR but Rochdale related on 20:05 - Jul 15 by nordenblue

On about being cultural, I see him in the Chinese very regularly near me (believe it ot not) and he always comes across as a very decent genuine guy happy to chat


Very honourable man

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NFR but Rochdale related on 20:55 - Jul 15 with 4450 viewsJames1980

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.lbc.co.uk/radio/podcasts/full-disclosure-james-

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NFR but Rochdale related on 17:36 - Jul 17 with 4182 viewsjoecooke

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/arrests-mad

Here we go again. Dreadful.

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NFR but Rochdale related on 19:09 - Jul 17 with 4120 viewsrochdaleriddler

NFR but Rochdale related on 17:36 - Jul 17 by joecooke

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/arrests-mad

Here we go again. Dreadful.


Ffs

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NFR but Rochdale related on 19:52 - Jul 17 with 4085 viewsisitme

https://www.bucksfreepress.co.uk/news/18579140.around-120-officers-carry-warrant

And in Wycombe.
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NFR but Rochdale related on 23:46 - Jul 17 with 4007 viewsjoecooke

NFR but Rochdale related on 17:36 - Jul 17 by joecooke

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/arrests-mad

Here we go again. Dreadful.


Same old muslim men who want to abuse young white christian girls,

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NFR but Rochdale related on 11:53 - Jul 18 with 3903 viewsrochdaleriddler

NFR but Rochdale related on 17:36 - Jul 17 by joecooke

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/arrests-mad

Here we go again. Dreadful.


As it’s from early 2000’s I’m surmising it’s a relook at cases they ballsed up at the time

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NFR but Rochdale related on 12:19 - Jul 18 with 3879 viewsSuddenLad

NFR but Rochdale related on 11:53 - Jul 18 by rochdaleriddler

As it’s from early 2000’s I’m surmising it’s a relook at cases they ballsed up at the time


Not cases that they 'ballsed up' particularly, but those that were known about but never reported for fear of what might happen if they did so.

“It is easier to fool people, than to convince them that they have been fooled”

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