| Fans Forum 27th March 20:56 - Mar 15 with 15777 views | TwelveAngryMen |
The Interim Board have tasked me with organising a fans forum to assist them with understanding our requirements as fans as we look forward and start planning for next season.
Ben Hatton, Michael Bolingbroke and myself are all confirmed to attend. If Ian Currie is available he will attend as well.
Topics under discussion will include season ticket pricing, travel, requirements of exiles, stand allocation, communication, community engagement, the appointment of an SLO and what can be done to deliver the best matchday experience.
The forum will be held at Rowley’s on Wednesday 27th March commencing at 7pm and will strictly be by invitation only. Non-alcoholic refreshments will be provided.
In order to make the discussion as productive as possible the number of attendees will be limited to 50 to include committee members from BST, BSA, The Muckers and representatives from BASIL, Yorkshire Seasiders, Leyland and Chorley and the TKs.
Having received feedback from those groups I have allocated the places available as follows —
BST/BSA/THE MUCKERS — 4 committee places each
BASIL / YORKSHIRE / LEYLAND AND CHORLEY AND TK’s - 2 committee places each.
In addition BST/BSA/THE MUCKERS will be able to nominate up to 4 additional members each.
I require names / addresses / ages for all attendees and also an indication as to whether (boycott period aside) they have been ST holders and if so for how long.
This information is only being sought for demographic purposes.
Assuming the committee members and general members allocation is fully subscribed that brings us to 32.
I am also going to allocate one place to a disability representative (I have asked Chris Beveridge to attend or nominate).
The remaining 17 places ( and any additional places that come available if any of the groups don’t use their full allocation ) will be made available to the general fan base whether affiliated to a particular group or not.
Assuming there is sufficient interest I will look to allocate fair share to U18’s and Seniors.
Anyone other than serving committee members of the above can email me on timfielding82@icloud.com providing the same information I seek of the fans groups nominations to register their interest in attending . If I am over-subscribed I will draw lots.
The deadline for nominations for the open places is Thursday next 7pm.
Hopefully I will see some of you at Burton tomorrow.
UTMP
[Post edited 15 Mar 2019 20:58]
|  |
| |  |
| Fans Forum 27th March on 20:28 - Mar 17 with 1177 views | BringBackTheRedRoom |
| Fans Forum 27th March on 20:17 - Mar 17 by spell_chekker |
In the Seasiders' Podcast, TAM said he was at BFC all day, every day during the week and he had to make up the time at his own job at the weekend.
That's not observational, it's hands on.
That's great, BFC needs it, but shouldn't Hatton, Bolingbroke, and Currie do that?
If they can't, they need either help or replacing.
Observational means that you go to board meetings, listen, and report back. |
I'd guess they would be dealing with fiances, sponsorship, dealing with the receiver, contracts, suppliers the EFL, etc, etc, etc...... |  |
| ‘Where there is harmony, may we bring discord. Where there is truth, may we bring error. Where there is faith, may we bring doubt. And where there is hope, may we bring despair’ |
| |
| Fans Forum 27th March on 20:35 - Mar 17 with 1169 views | spell_chekker |
| Fans Forum 27th March on 20:28 - Mar 17 by BringBackTheRedRoom |
I'd guess they would be dealing with fiances, sponsorship, dealing with the receiver, contracts, suppliers the EFL, etc, etc, etc...... |
Yes Red, I think so too.
They were overrun.
Let's wait and see if TAM just goes and observes board meetings and his mates aren't shoe horned into positions of privilege.
They can have Rowley's. [Post edited 17 Mar 2019 20:35]
|  |
| |
| Fans Forum 27th March on 21:51 - Mar 17 with 1150 views | basilrobbiereborn |
| Fans Forum 27th March on 19:10 - Mar 17 by spell_chekker |
Controversial and I might regret it but here goes.
I'm starting to dislike more and more this fan representation thing.
The poster TAM was supposed to have an observational role on the board. This clearly isn't the case.
He was obviously the best man for the job but he has one weakness - his acquaintances who will take advantage of him and jam their legs in the door.
Perhaps it was for the benefit of the club and a coincidence but one of his friends was helping out with corporate matchday bookings.
On the Seasiders' Podcast he talked about another of his friends dropping by or popping in to Bloomfield Road and giving data off his mobile to a club employee. Perhaps the unnamed friend's help was for the benefit of the club but the scenario's a joke isn't it?
Rowley is back. Well known that the gang struck up a relationship with him.
Nobody dares to say NO to the Muckers or Tangerine Nights. They're top notch for a jolly boy's laugh and drink.
It hasn't gone too far yet but if it continues there will be criticism of plas getting preferential treatment and BFC being a jolly boys' playground. |
Hmmm.
I have always struggled with the view that fan representation is somehow a bad thing. Given how we have suffered, the level of passivity (and knowing your place) that it implies has always astonished me.
However, I don't think that its what is bothering spell, if I understand him right. This is more about TAM's associates - and alleged associates, at that.
What is going on inside the club at the moment is crisis management. Arrangements that are being put in place to keep the club going and reassure the EFL are not necessarily very likely to be anything like the more permanent ones that are eventually put in place. I think it is very understandable that the club should accept offers from people it knows when they are also supporters, in the circumstances.
So I think your concerns are misplaced. TAM is not only someone of great integrity, he is also no-one's fool. He knows what qualities people have and how to relate to them. And I think you are greatly over-estimating the influence of groups like The Muckers. Don't believe everything you read on AVFTT. |  |
| |
| Fans Forum 27th March on 22:30 - Mar 17 with 1144 views | spell_chekker |
| Fans Forum 27th March on 21:51 - Mar 17 by basilrobbiereborn |
Hmmm.
I have always struggled with the view that fan representation is somehow a bad thing. Given how we have suffered, the level of passivity (and knowing your place) that it implies has always astonished me.
However, I don't think that its what is bothering spell, if I understand him right. This is more about TAM's associates - and alleged associates, at that.
What is going on inside the club at the moment is crisis management. Arrangements that are being put in place to keep the club going and reassure the EFL are not necessarily very likely to be anything like the more permanent ones that are eventually put in place. I think it is very understandable that the club should accept offers from people it knows when they are also supporters, in the circumstances.
So I think your concerns are misplaced. TAM is not only someone of great integrity, he is also no-one's fool. He knows what qualities people have and how to relate to them. And I think you are greatly over-estimating the influence of groups like The Muckers. Don't believe everything you read on AVFTT. |
Edited. I probably went a little too far with this comment. [Post edited 18 Mar 2019 12:05]
| |
| |
| Fans Forum 27th March on 08:33 - Mar 18 with 1111 views | Lala |
Totally agree with all Spells points and understand Robbies reassurances.
These are unique times. I definitely do not want the Muckers representing my views as fan representatives.
To be honest when new owners come along I would rather expressions of interest from all fans be invited if fan input is required.
That’s how you reach the target audience fully.
Hopefully that day will come soon 👠|  |
| |
| Fans Forum 27th March on 08:41 - Mar 18 with 1107 views | janegallagher |
| Fans Forum 27th March on 08:33 - Mar 18 by Lala |
Totally agree with all Spells points and understand Robbies reassurances.
These are unique times. I definitely do not want the Muckers representing my views as fan representatives.
To be honest when new owners come along I would rather expressions of interest from all fans be invited if fan input is required.
That’s how you reach the target audience fully.
Hopefully that day will come soon 👠|
Absolutely. I did ask a question earlier, who do the TK represent? If they are disbanding or disbanded then why have they got 4 reps. |  |
| |
| Fans Forum 27th March on 08:48 - Mar 18 with 1103 views | spell_chekker |
| Fans Forum 27th March on 08:41 - Mar 18 by janegallagher |
Absolutely. I did ask a question earlier, who do the TK represent? If they are disbanding or disbanded then why have they got 4 reps. |
Brr makes a good point, it's a panic stations and all hands to the pumps.
Let's hope it settles down and new owners get a handle on it.
Jane - IMO the TKs have done a great job but represent only themselves and have got 4 reps because they're friends with the right people. Let's just see this as a small reward for them after their sterling efforts. | |
| |
| Fans Forum 27th March on 08:51 - Mar 18 with 1101 views | janegallagher |
| Fans Forum 27th March on 08:48 - Mar 18 by spell_chekker |
Brr makes a good point, it's a panic stations and all hands to the pumps.
Let's hope it settles down and new owners get a handle on it.
Jane - IMO the TKs have done a great job but represent only themselves and have got 4 reps because they're friends with the right people. Let's just see this as a small reward for them after their sterling efforts. |
You think they’ve done a great job. Did you ever read some of their twitter ? Sorry not for me | |
| |
Login to get fewer ads
| Fans Forum 27th March on 08:52 - Mar 18 with 1099 views | BringBackTheRedRoom |
Got to start somewhere, and this was requested by the board (who are only there until the club is sold, after that it's up to the new owners what to do). If you take some of these arguments to their logical conclusions, then why are BASIL, The Yorkies, BSA or L&C there? They don't represent me.
If just one good idea comes out of it, then I don't care who comes up with it. | |
| ‘Where there is harmony, may we bring discord. Where there is truth, may we bring error. Where there is faith, may we bring doubt. And where there is hope, may we bring despair’ |
| |
| Fans Forum 27th March on 09:01 - Mar 18 with 1092 views | spell_chekker |
| Fans Forum 27th March on 08:52 - Mar 18 by BringBackTheRedRoom |
Got to start somewhere, and this was requested by the board (who are only there until the club is sold, after that it's up to the new owners what to do). If you take some of these arguments to their logical conclusions, then why are BASIL, The Yorkies, BSA or L&C there? They don't represent me.
If just one good idea comes out of it, then I don't care who comes up with it. |
BASIL and the Yaaarkies etc are open to anyone who wants to join them. There will be a mix of all sorts in their membership.
Agree that we've had to start somewhere and all that's been done is for the good of BFC.
I just think that if this continues, alarm bells will soon start to go off. | |
| |
| Fans Forum 27th March on 09:02 - Mar 18 with 1092 views | Lala |
That’s why I think expressions of interest from EVERY fan is the way forward eventually.
There is a little boys network out there that needs to be sidestepped when fan input is requested. Each fan has equal worth, no matter if they are affiliated to any supporters group and there are more fans who aren’t than are. | |
| |
| Fans Forum 27th March on 09:14 - Mar 18 with 1084 views | BringBackTheRedRoom |
| Fans Forum 27th March on 09:02 - Mar 18 by Lala |
That’s why I think expressions of interest from EVERY fan is the way forward eventually.
There is a little boys network out there that needs to be sidestepped when fan input is requested. Each fan has equal worth, no matter if they are affiliated to any supporters group and there are more fans who aren’t than are. |
Lala
Agree that each fan has equal worth, however in practice how would you organise this, when you think this Board will have been gone by the summer, and new owners will be in place with their own ideas and plans? | |
| ‘Where there is harmony, may we bring discord. Where there is truth, may we bring error. Where there is faith, may we bring doubt. And where there is hope, may we bring despair’ |
| |
| Fans Forum 27th March on 09:21 - Mar 18 with 1081 views | Lala |
| Fans Forum 27th March on 09:14 - Mar 18 by BringBackTheRedRoom |
Lala
Agree that each fan has equal worth, however in practice how would you organise this, when you think this Board will have been gone by the summer, and new owners will be in place with their own ideas and plans? |
I’m talking when new owners are in Red and they cans run expressions of interest from the club website. No reason why that isn’t possible now to be honest but I’ll let that one go.  | |
| |
| Fans Forum 27th March on 09:28 - Mar 18 with 1079 views | BringBackTheRedRoom |
| Fans Forum 27th March on 09:21 - Mar 18 by Lala |
I’m talking when new owners are in Red and they cans run expressions of interest from the club website. No reason why that isn’t possible now to be honest but I’ll let that one go. |
I think the Board wants to meet the fans in person. (Also it's another reason why I want it streamed live, so everyone who wants to, gets to see what goes on).
Not a great one on the suggestion box idea on its own, know from personal experience what can happen with that. However think that could have legs if held with open fan forums. | |
| ‘Where there is harmony, may we bring discord. Where there is truth, may we bring error. Where there is faith, may we bring doubt. And where there is hope, may we bring despair’ |
| |
| Fans Forum 27th March on 09:36 - Mar 18 with 1071 views | Lala |
I mean use the club website to get details of the fans who would like to meet the board, and yes then meet in person. The club owners would be best communicating with all its customers this way.
As it stands unless you’re a member of a fan group or post on avftt you have little to no chance of even knowing about this and having a voice. That excludes the majority of fans. I may broach this with the club and board direct, why the hell not. We all have the power to make ourselves heard.
I think you’re idea is a great one Red 👠| |
| |
| Fans Forum 27th March on 09:43 - Mar 18 with 1063 views | BringBackTheRedRoom |
| Fans Forum 27th March on 09:36 - Mar 18 by Lala |
I mean use the club website to get details of the fans who would like to meet the board, and yes then meet in person. The club owners would be best communicating with all its customers this way.
As it stands unless you’re a member of a fan group or post on avftt you have little to no chance of even knowing about this and having a voice. That excludes the majority of fans. I may broach this with the club and board direct, why the hell not. We all have the power to make ourselves heard.
I think you’re idea is a great one Red 👠|
The club have a YouTube channel (7.5k subscribers, amazed it's that high after all that's happened tbh). It's where ROTTS, Spud and me get most of our videos. Think it's a really underused source at the moment.
I bet a large chunk of our fans don't know about it. [Post edited 18 Mar 2019 9:44]
| |
| ‘Where there is harmony, may we bring discord. Where there is truth, may we bring error. Where there is faith, may we bring doubt. And where there is hope, may we bring despair’ |
| |
| Fans Forum 27th March on 09:44 - Mar 18 with 1057 views | Lala |
There you go ðŸ‘
There are many ways of getting things out there to more than just the same old few. It needs to be advertised and promoted better on the club websites.
The club website needs to be at the helm of fan interactions. That needs addressing ASAP.
It should be utilised way more and become more interactive. [Post edited 18 Mar 2019 9:47]
| |
| |
| Fans Forum 27th March on 10:09 - Mar 18 with 1043 views | Hannibal |
| Fans Forum 27th March on 09:44 - Mar 18 by Lala |
There you go ðŸ‘
There are many ways of getting things out there to more than just the same old few. It needs to be advertised and promoted better on the club websites.
The club website needs to be at the helm of fan interactions. That needs addressing ASAP.
It should be utilised way more and become more interactive. [Post edited 18 Mar 2019 9:47]
|
I sometimes think that if a Martian was looking at the club he’d think that AVFTT was the only or at least main hub of fandom. In my view it’s an extreme example of a boys club where there’s a few voices shouting very loudly. There’s massive helpings of entitlement on there, it drips from every pore.
Back on topic. I agree with the notion that the mould needs breaking. And there is of course a boys network who would just love to see themselves in influential positions within the club and that I’m afraid is back to the sense of entitlement and self aggrandisement rather than there being nobody else to do it. That’s naive to suggest that’s the case.
Of course the club still, is in limbo as it were and until we have new owners and new board I’d cool those jets a bit on organising this that and the other. I’m not a fan of committees and I’m more than wary of some of the usual suspects on AVFTT becoming more entrenched in the club.
We need fresh faces. A new start. New fans and new owners. Not jobs for the boys. | |
| |
| Fans Forum 27th March on 10:38 - Mar 18 with 1029 views | basilrobbiereborn |
| Fans Forum 27th March on 10:09 - Mar 18 by Hannibal |
I sometimes think that if a Martian was looking at the club he’d think that AVFTT was the only or at least main hub of fandom. In my view it’s an extreme example of a boys club where there’s a few voices shouting very loudly. There’s massive helpings of entitlement on there, it drips from every pore.
Back on topic. I agree with the notion that the mould needs breaking. And there is of course a boys network who would just love to see themselves in influential positions within the club and that I’m afraid is back to the sense of entitlement and self aggrandisement rather than there being nobody else to do it. That’s naive to suggest that’s the case.
Of course the club still, is in limbo as it were and until we have new owners and new board I’d cool those jets a bit on organising this that and the other. I’m not a fan of committees and I’m more than wary of some of the usual suspects on AVFTT becoming more entrenched in the club.
We need fresh faces. A new start. New fans and new owners. Not jobs for the boys. |
The main problem as I see it is what constitutes "the boys". I understand where Jane and LALA are coming from in that respect, but it is where you draw that line that counts.
Some of the people referred to on this thread - like the TKs for example - have worked very hard at carrying the protest message onto social media over a long period. Some of the so-called "prominent" people from AVFTT are prominent precisely because they have been active in the protest movement. You can't bask in the achievements they have had and then deny them a voice in what comes next. That is called having your cake and eating it.
I don't have a template for who is actively involved in whatever comes next for both the club AND BST. All that really counts is that the people concerned have drive, determination, talent and credibility with their peers. The rest will take care of itself.
People will soon work out who those people are, and I see some evidence that is happening already. And if you are really exercised about it, you can (in the case of the Trust) stand for election in August, when most of the BST Committee is up for re-election.
As for being in limbo - yes, to an extent. But the fact that this is a hiatus period does not mean that you can't do a lot to engage, plan and make sure you are ready for the next phase. The people who are capable of making a difference are already doing this, rather than grandstanding on AVFTT. [Post edited 18 Mar 2019 11:06]
| |
| |
| Fans Forum 27th March on 11:08 - Mar 18 with 1011 views | spudgun |
| Fans Forum 27th March on 21:51 - Mar 17 by basilrobbiereborn |
Hmmm.
I have always struggled with the view that fan representation is somehow a bad thing. Given how we have suffered, the level of passivity (and knowing your place) that it implies has always astonished me.
However, I don't think that its what is bothering spell, if I understand him right. This is more about TAM's associates - and alleged associates, at that.
What is going on inside the club at the moment is crisis management. Arrangements that are being put in place to keep the club going and reassure the EFL are not necessarily very likely to be anything like the more permanent ones that are eventually put in place. I think it is very understandable that the club should accept offers from people it knows when they are also supporters, in the circumstances.
So I think your concerns are misplaced. TAM is not only someone of great integrity, he is also no-one's fool. He knows what qualities people have and how to relate to them. And I think you are greatly over-estimating the influence of groups like The Muckers. Don't believe everything you read on AVFTT. |
Interesting discussion with many very good and valid posts, and against my better judgement, I will give an `outsider`s` perspective with a few random thoughts.
Cautiously positive about fans representation on a board, providing the fan is impeccable and discreet. Have met TAM (in a business context) and read a lot of his stuff, and he seems a decent fella and probably as good as it gets. So no problem there.
I do have a little bit of `Animal Farm`/ `Lord of the Flies` type reservation gnawing away in the background though.
The amount of influence he is to have (or thinks he may have) may become a toxic issue with some.
The way the information is communicated may be problematic, if not handled correctly. People generally don't like elitist coteries and `in the know` posting may make fans resentful. He may have to distance himself from some, and adjust his online politics slightly.
AVFTT is an outlier of the BFC fan base and a distorting lens, and could be counter-productive. People I talk to generally have the impression that most on there are self-absorbed f***wits. Yet it is a major source of BFC news, information, misinformation and gossip. Could BFC set up a better moderated interactive website?
Many of BFC fans are possibly not represented by the supporters groups. I notice there was some availability to the general public- this would have to be advertised.
The statement from TAM that: "The Muckers represent an element of the fan base whose input is sought (by the interim Board)" made me slightly quizzical.
Some of these points have been touched on by others, and I am aware that one or two may be very obvious.
Good thread though... [Post edited 18 Mar 2019 11:36]
| | | |
| Fans Forum 27th March on 11:29 - Mar 18 with 996 views | Lala |
Great post Spud. Rational, thoughtful and unbiased as usual ðŸ‘ðŸ‘👠| |
| |
| Fans Forum 27th March on 11:42 - Mar 18 with 984 views | ROTTWEILERS |
| Fans Forum 27th March on 11:29 - Mar 18 by Lala |
Great post Spud. Rational, thoughtful and unbiased as usual ðŸ‘ðŸ‘👠|
Is anyone from this forum applying to attend? I'd like to but it clashes with kids football. |  |
| |
| Fans Forum 27th March on 11:46 - Mar 18 with 981 views | Lala |
| Fans Forum 27th March on 11:42 - Mar 18 by ROTTWEILERS |
Is anyone from this forum applying to attend? I'd like to but it clashes with kids football. |
I think you’d be superb Rotts if you could fit it in.
I wouldn’t, but I have some pals not on any forum that may do. | |
| |
| Fans Forum 27th March on 11:55 - Mar 18 with 972 views | spell_chekker |
| Fans Forum 27th March on 11:46 - Mar 18 by Lala |
I think you’d be superb Rotts if you could fit it in.
I wouldn’t, but I have some pals not on any forum that may do. |
I agree with 3 differing opinions here - Hannibal, Brr, and Spud.
People have made sacrifices over the last few years and put the work in to deservedly get where they are; Also, BFC needs the help in this crises situation.
BUT, I'm in no doubt that there's a boys club.
I suppose tolerance is required and the ship will right itself under new owners. In a way, the observations and lessons of this episode could help that process. | |
| |
| Fans Forum 27th March on 11:55 - Mar 18 with 972 views | ROTTWEILERS |
| Fans Forum 27th March on 11:46 - Mar 18 by Lala |
I think you’d be superb Rotts if you could fit it in.
I wouldn’t, but I have some pals not on any forum that may do. |
It's important that they do attend. Unfortunately I think a meeting of this size is unlikely to produce any kind of fresh ideas. As soon as you get 6+ people in a room, individual thought goes out of the window. But I'm a nosey bugger and still wanna see what's going on  | |
| |
| |
By continuing to use the site, you agree to our use of cookies and to abide by our Terms and Conditions.
