| BREAKING!! Corbyn endorses campaign for second EU referendum! 22:23 - Jan 21 with 21834 views | ItchySphincter |
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| BREAKING!! Corbyn endorses campaign for second EU referendum! on 10:46 - Feb 27 with 1769 views | WarwickHunt |
| BREAKING!! Corbyn endorses campaign for second EU referendum! on 10:40 - Feb 27 by Ace_Jack |
Academic evidence and polling says the overwhelming majority of Labour voters voted remain. Even in Labour held leave voting seats, the evidence says that a majority of Labour voters voted remain. There is literally no evidence to suggest otherwise.
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2016/06/27/how-britain-vot
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/feb/27/labour-vote-referendum-jer
An overwhelming number of Labour members and Labour voters want Britian to remain in the EU. There is no appetite from leave voters or remain voters for Corbyn's Brexit in Name Only hogwash. It's time for the party to grow a spine and stand up for what its members and voters believe is the right thing to do, which is to put an end to this madness and campaign to remain in the EU. |
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| BREAKING!! Corbyn endorses campaign for second EU referendum! on 11:29 - Feb 27 with 1743 views | Uxbridge |
| BREAKING!! Corbyn endorses campaign for second EU referendum! on 10:40 - Feb 27 by Ace_Jack |
Academic evidence and polling says the overwhelming majority of Labour voters voted remain. Even in Labour held leave voting seats, the evidence says that a majority of Labour voters voted remain. There is literally no evidence to suggest otherwise.
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2016/06/27/how-britain-vot
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/feb/27/labour-vote-referendum-jer
An overwhelming number of Labour members and Labour voters want Britian to remain in the EU. There is no appetite from leave voters or remain voters for Corbyn's Brexit in Name Only hogwash. It's time for the party to grow a spine and stand up for what its members and voters believe is the right thing to do, which is to put an end to this madness and campaign to remain in the EU. |
Facts eh. I think we've had quite enough of that sort of thing.
I'm not sure Corbyn is mug enough to think that his Brexit has any real chance of being voted through either. In substance, the party has moved to that very position re. 2nd ref and inevitably campaigning for remain.
It'd be peachy if those MP's agitating to extend Article 50 got behind this position. As it stands, fair chance 2nd ref gets defeated as focus on extending this farce. If the option becomes hard exit or this, the vote in parliament can only go one way surely. |  |
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| BREAKING!! Corbyn endorses campaign for second EU referendum! on 11:39 - Feb 27 with 1739 views | Ace_Jack |
| BREAKING!! Corbyn endorses campaign for second EU referendum! on 11:29 - Feb 27 by Uxbridge |
Facts eh. I think we've had quite enough of that sort of thing.
I'm not sure Corbyn is mug enough to think that his Brexit has any real chance of being voted through either. In substance, the party has moved to that very position re. 2nd ref and inevitably campaigning for remain.
It'd be peachy if those MP's agitating to extend Article 50 got behind this position. As it stands, fair chance 2nd ref gets defeated as focus on extending this farce. If the option becomes hard exit or this, the vote in parliament can only go one way surely. |
I've brought facts to a conjecture fight so no wonder I'm losing.
I know precisely dick all about the parliamentary dynamics of it all but from what I can see there has been a fundamental power shift in the labour leadership this week. Keir Starmer has finally pushed Corbyn into adopting the People's Vote aspect of conference policy after months of resistance.
I suspect the extension of article 50 will just be another door closing exercise. Once the deadline is extended, May loses all power in running the clock down to force MPs to vote for her deal. That leaves us in a position where we eventually need a general election to change the parliamentary arithmetic. The country then has a choice to vote for a May government backing her deal or a Corbyn led labour one offering a referendum on whatever deal gets agreed at parliament.
Corbyn has been on the back foot on this matter for some time so I expect the People's vote aspect of the policy will become more prevalent as time goes on. Its now clear that a second referendum will be the key component to any Labour Brexit policy.
Alternatively no deal gets passed and we leave without a deal on the 29th but i'd put money on that not happening. |  | | |
| BREAKING!! Corbyn endorses campaign for second EU referendum! on 12:50 - Feb 27 with 1708 views | Highjack |
| BREAKING!! Corbyn endorses campaign for second EU referendum! on 11:39 - Feb 27 by Ace_Jack |
I've brought facts to a conjecture fight so no wonder I'm losing.
I know precisely dick all about the parliamentary dynamics of it all but from what I can see there has been a fundamental power shift in the labour leadership this week. Keir Starmer has finally pushed Corbyn into adopting the People's Vote aspect of conference policy after months of resistance.
I suspect the extension of article 50 will just be another door closing exercise. Once the deadline is extended, May loses all power in running the clock down to force MPs to vote for her deal. That leaves us in a position where we eventually need a general election to change the parliamentary arithmetic. The country then has a choice to vote for a May government backing her deal or a Corbyn led labour one offering a referendum on whatever deal gets agreed at parliament.
Corbyn has been on the back foot on this matter for some time so I expect the People's vote aspect of the policy will become more prevalent as time goes on. Its now clear that a second referendum will be the key component to any Labour Brexit policy.
Alternatively no deal gets passed and we leave without a deal on the 29th but i'd put money on that not happening. |
Keir Starmer hasn't pushed bugger all.
Jeremy was in Brussels for talks with Barnier and Verhofstad just last week and now suddenly wants a referendum.
He's being pushed from above, not below. |  |
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| BREAKING!! Corbyn endorses campaign for second EU referendum! on 15:50 - Feb 27 with 1652 views | Lohengrin |
| BREAKING!! Corbyn endorses campaign for second EU referendum! on 12:50 - Feb 27 by Highjack |
Keir Starmer hasn't pushed bugger all.
Jeremy was in Brussels for talks with Barnier and Verhofstad just last week and now suddenly wants a referendum.
He's being pushed from above, not below. |
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| BREAKING!! Corbyn endorses campaign for second EU referendum! on 16:05 - Feb 27 with 1637 views | WarwickHunt |
| BREAKING!! Corbyn endorses campaign for second EU referendum! on 12:50 - Feb 27 by Highjack |
Keir Starmer hasn't pushed bugger all.
Jeremy was in Brussels for talks with Barnier and Verhofstad just last week and now suddenly wants a referendum.
He's being pushed from above, not below. |
Utter bollox. He's had several meetings with EU leaders over the past two years.
Starmer and Watson told Corbyn that a mass defection of up 100 MPs would happen if he didn't back a second referendum. Watson himself has been on the brink of leaving for some time. | | | |
| BREAKING!! Corbyn endorses campaign for second EU referendum! on 21:45 - Feb 27 with 1567 views | valleyboy |
| BREAKING!! Corbyn endorses campaign for second EU referendum! on 16:05 - Feb 27 by WarwickHunt |
Utter bollox. He's had several meetings with EU leaders over the past two years.
Starmer and Watson told Corbyn that a mass defection of up 100 MPs would happen if he didn't back a second referendum. Watson himself has been on the brink of leaving for some time. |
Besides the Labour MP’s that have defected. There is one 2 patties within the Labour Party
One group led by the idiot Corbyn
The other group led by Tom Watson
If the Conservatives are divided, it’s certsinly not half as bad as the Labour Party
It amazes me that anyone in their right mind can vote for someone like Carolyn Harris |  | | |
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| BREAKING!! Corbyn endorses campaign for second EU referendum! on 21:55 - Feb 27 with 1556 views | longlostjack |
| BREAKING!! Corbyn endorses campaign for second EU referendum! on 21:45 - Feb 27 by valleyboy |
Besides the Labour MP’s that have defected. There is one 2 patties within the Labour Party
One group led by the idiot Corbyn
The other group led by Tom Watson
If the Conservatives are divided, it’s certsinly not half as bad as the Labour Party
It amazes me that anyone in their right mind can vote for someone like Carolyn Harris |
Both on a par with each other. Both have a misplaced sense of loyalty that like a sticking plaster is just about holding them together. The sooner we get rid of blind faith in a party and get a fairer voting system the better. This Brexit fiasco, if nothing else, has shown the need for change. The real talent is on the backbenches - the front benches are stuffed with incompetent clowns. It’s not difficult to work out why. [Post edited 27 Feb 2019 22:18]
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| BREAKING!! Corbyn endorses campaign for second EU referendum! on 23:12 - Feb 27 with 1523 views | exiledclaseboy |
| BREAKING!! Corbyn endorses campaign for second EU referendum! on 12:50 - Feb 27 by Highjack |
Keir Starmer hasn't pushed bugger all.
Jeremy was in Brussels for talks with Barnier and Verhofstad just last week and now suddenly wants a referendum.
He's being pushed from above, not below. |
Ha. Genius. Right up there with “May’s plan has been to keep us in the EU all along”. |  |
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| BREAKING!! Corbyn endorses campaign for second EU referendum! on 23:16 - Feb 27 with 1521 views | monmouth |
| BREAKING!! Corbyn endorses campaign for second EU referendum! on 23:12 - Feb 27 by exiledclaseboy |
Ha. Genius. Right up there with “May’s plan has been to keep us in the EU all along”. |
What crazy stuff will come next?
"We'll save £350m a week and spend it on the NHS"? |  |
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| BREAKING!! Corbyn endorses campaign for second EU referendum! on 07:43 - Feb 28 with 1455 views | WarwickHunt |
| BREAKING!! Corbyn endorses campaign for second EU referendum! on 23:12 - Feb 27 by exiledclaseboy |
Ha. Genius. Right up there with “May’s plan has been to keep us in the EU all along”. |
I’m worried sbout Highjack. Needs a check-up from the neck up. | | | |
| BREAKING!! Corbyn endorses campaign for second EU referendum! on 09:29 - Feb 28 with 1424 views | Highjack |
| BREAKING!! Corbyn endorses campaign for second EU referendum! on 23:12 - Feb 27 by exiledclaseboy |
Ha. Genius. Right up there with “May’s plan has been to keep us in the EU all along”. |
You can keep sneering but it’s all there in front of your eyes. You’re just unwilling to open them. | |
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| BREAKING!! Corbyn endorses campaign for second EU referendum! on 09:35 - Feb 28 with 1418 views | Highjack |
| BREAKING!! Corbyn endorses campaign for second EU referendum! on 07:43 - Feb 28 by WarwickHunt |
I’m worried sbout Highjack. Needs a check-up from the neck up. |
I appreciate your concern but I would direct more of your efforts on those poor lost souls who spend 24 hours a day online with nothing better to do than correcting spelling mistakes and calling decent people stupid. | |
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| BREAKING!! Corbyn endorses campaign for second EU referendum! on 09:46 - Feb 28 with 1409 views | WarwickHunt |
| BREAKING!! Corbyn endorses campaign for second EU referendum! on 09:29 - Feb 28 by Highjack |
You can keep sneering but it’s all there in front of your eyes. You’re just unwilling to open them. |
Well done, you’ve broken the thick brexiter stereotype. You’re just fûcking bonkers.
#conspiracy | | | |
| BREAKING!! Corbyn endorses campaign for second EU referendum! on 10:26 - Feb 28 with 1389 views | Highjack |
Starmer has been calling for a “people’s vote” since the day after the referendum. That’s nearly three years of him rocking in the corner in the foetal position chanting “people’s vote, people’s vote” at every meeting or conference. Corbyn ignored him the whole time. Then one meeting with Barnier and two days later he’s miraculously changed his mind.
It’s not a conspiracy when it’s being played out in front of our eyes in plain sight. | |
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| BREAKING!! Corbyn endorses campaign for second EU referendum! on 10:29 - Feb 28 with 1386 views | exiledclaseboy |
| BREAKING!! Corbyn endorses campaign for second EU referendum! on 10:26 - Feb 28 by Highjack |
Starmer has been calling for a “people’s vote” since the day after the referendum. That’s nearly three years of him rocking in the corner in the foetal position chanting “people’s vote, people’s vote” at every meeting or conference. Corbyn ignored him the whole time. Then one meeting with Barnier and two days later he’s miraculously changed his mind.
It’s not a conspiracy when it’s being played out in front of our eyes in plain sight. |
Could it not be more to do with the resignation of eight MPs and the threatened resignation of scores more that may have led Corbyn to be dragged kicking and screaming to a policy position that the vast majority of his party has supported for months?
There’s no need for conspiracies if you believe the evidence of your own eyes and ears and not the theories formed in your head. | |
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| BREAKING!! Corbyn endorses campaign for second EU referendum! on 10:36 - Feb 28 with 1377 views | Ace_Jack |
| BREAKING!! Corbyn endorses campaign for second EU referendum! on 10:26 - Feb 28 by Highjack |
Starmer has been calling for a “people’s vote” since the day after the referendum. That’s nearly three years of him rocking in the corner in the foetal position chanting “people’s vote, people’s vote” at every meeting or conference. Corbyn ignored him the whole time. Then one meeting with Barnier and two days later he’s miraculously changed his mind.
It’s not a conspiracy when it’s being played out in front of our eyes in plain sight. |
Highjack, you're better than having to resort to outright lies.
Starmer didn't back a peoples vote until it became a facet of Labour Party Policy in September 2018.
Corbyn is deeply eurosceptic so much of the conflict has been in the wording of the conference motion which in itself was a compromise.
"If we cannot get a general election Labour must support all options remaining on the table, including campaigning for a public vote. If the Government is confident in negotiating a deal that working people, our economy and communities will benefit from they should not be afraid to put that deal to the public."
Corbyn and his team have been holding out against the peoples vote because they are against it and they've been using the ambiguous nature of the conference motion to kick the can down the road.
To me at least, it appears tha last weeks defections have emboldened the pro european wing of the PLP, i.e 3/4 of all Labour members to force the front bench to act and make good on the promise to back a people's vote.
If what you're saying is true it must just be a coincidence that Corbyn suddenly dropped his career long euroscepticism on the same week that 8 MPs left the party on a staunchly pro european platform. | | | |
| BREAKING!! Corbyn endorses campaign for second EU referendum! on 10:40 - Feb 28 with 1377 views | Highjack |
| BREAKING!! Corbyn endorses campaign for second EU referendum! on 10:29 - Feb 28 by exiledclaseboy |
Could it not be more to do with the resignation of eight MPs and the threatened resignation of scores more that may have led Corbyn to be dragged kicking and screaming to a policy position that the vast majority of his party has supported for months?
There’s no need for conspiracies if you believe the evidence of your own eyes and ears and not the theories formed in your head. |
They were all facing deselection anyway. I bet Momentum is devastated with losing Chuka Umunna. They’ll just be replaced at the next G.E. | |
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| BREAKING!! Corbyn endorses campaign for second EU referendum! on 10:45 - Feb 28 with 1374 views | Ace_Jack |
| BREAKING!! Corbyn endorses campaign for second EU referendum! on 10:40 - Feb 28 by Highjack |
They were all facing deselection anyway. I bet Momentum is devastated with losing Chuka Umunna. They’ll just be replaced at the next G.E. |
That's not really relevant though is it. Not all of them would've even been triggered, let alone reselected. Plus there's no guarantee that more MPs wouldn't have followed with them. | | | |
| BREAKING!! Corbyn endorses campaign for second EU referendum! on 10:52 - Feb 28 with 1368 views | Highjack |
| BREAKING!! Corbyn endorses campaign for second EU referendum! on 10:36 - Feb 28 by Ace_Jack |
Highjack, you're better than having to resort to outright lies.
Starmer didn't back a peoples vote until it became a facet of Labour Party Policy in September 2018.
Corbyn is deeply eurosceptic so much of the conflict has been in the wording of the conference motion which in itself was a compromise.
"If we cannot get a general election Labour must support all options remaining on the table, including campaigning for a public vote. If the Government is confident in negotiating a deal that working people, our economy and communities will benefit from they should not be afraid to put that deal to the public."
Corbyn and his team have been holding out against the peoples vote because they are against it and they've been using the ambiguous nature of the conference motion to kick the can down the road.
To me at least, it appears tha last weeks defections have emboldened the pro european wing of the PLP, i.e 3/4 of all Labour members to force the front bench to act and make good on the promise to back a people's vote.
If what you're saying is true it must just be a coincidence that Corbyn suddenly dropped his career long euroscepticism on the same week that 8 MPs left the party on a staunchly pro european platform. |
It may be a veritable smorgasbord of coincidences, or perhaps Corbyn has just been visited by an angel at night and had an epiphany. But the blindingly obvious fact is he’s gone to Brussels to discuss brexit strategy and he’s returned with a different strategy to what he had before he went to Brussels. It is clearly a wild conspiracy theory to suggest that his visit to Brussels to explicitly discuss brexit strategy resulted in a change in brexit strategy though so it’s definitely a result of Keir Starmers genius and brilliance instead. | |
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| BREAKING!! Corbyn endorses campaign for second EU referendum! on 10:57 - Feb 28 with 1361 views | Ace_Jack |
| BREAKING!! Corbyn endorses campaign for second EU referendum! on 10:52 - Feb 28 by Highjack |
It may be a veritable smorgasbord of coincidences, or perhaps Corbyn has just been visited by an angel at night and had an epiphany. But the blindingly obvious fact is he’s gone to Brussels to discuss brexit strategy and he’s returned with a different strategy to what he had before he went to Brussels. It is clearly a wild conspiracy theory to suggest that his visit to Brussels to explicitly discuss brexit strategy resulted in a change in brexit strategy though so it’s definitely a result of Keir Starmers genius and brilliance instead. |
I wouldn't say getting the Labour Leader to reaffirm his commitment to party policy that was democratically chosen by conference was an act of genius or brilliance. It's not even a change of policy. | | | |
| BREAKING!! Corbyn endorses campaign for second EU referendum! on 11:21 - Feb 28 with 1345 views | WarwickHunt |
| BREAKING!! Corbyn endorses campaign for second EU referendum! on 10:36 - Feb 28 by Ace_Jack |
Highjack, you're better than having to resort to outright lies.
Starmer didn't back a peoples vote until it became a facet of Labour Party Policy in September 2018.
Corbyn is deeply eurosceptic so much of the conflict has been in the wording of the conference motion which in itself was a compromise.
"If we cannot get a general election Labour must support all options remaining on the table, including campaigning for a public vote. If the Government is confident in negotiating a deal that working people, our economy and communities will benefit from they should not be afraid to put that deal to the public."
Corbyn and his team have been holding out against the peoples vote because they are against it and they've been using the ambiguous nature of the conference motion to kick the can down the road.
To me at least, it appears tha last weeks defections have emboldened the pro european wing of the PLP, i.e 3/4 of all Labour members to force the front bench to act and make good on the promise to back a people's vote.
If what you're saying is true it must just be a coincidence that Corbyn suddenly dropped his career long euroscepticism on the same week that 8 MPs left the party on a staunchly pro european platform. |
...with up to a hundred more, including the deputy leader, threatening to follow them if he didn’t back a second referendum, effectively destroying the party and any remote chance of power. | | | |
| BREAKING!! Corbyn endorses campaign for second EU referendum! on 11:45 - Feb 28 with 1334 views | Highjack |
| BREAKING!! Corbyn endorses campaign for second EU referendum! on 10:57 - Feb 28 by Ace_Jack |
I wouldn't say getting the Labour Leader to reaffirm his commitment to party policy that was democratically chosen by conference was an act of genius or brilliance. It's not even a change of policy. |
When their policy is “keep literally all options on the table” then it does allow for a bit of flexibility. | |
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