| Trump Getting Ready to Shake Down NATO? 15:10 - Dec 24 with 6322 views | Shaky |
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| Trump Getting Ready to Shake Down NATO? on 15:02 - Dec 25 with 1636 views | union_jack |
| Trump Getting Ready to Shake Down NATO? on 15:00 - Dec 25 by valleyboy |
Well there were other fighters from different countries around Europe and the Commonwelth, but the marjority of soliders figting Hitler came from the US and the U.K.
Put it this way, that if the US had not decided to join the war then the U.K. too would have been under the Nazi influence as well |
I think he meant the Russians? |  |
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| Trump Getting Ready to Shake Down NATO? on 15:25 - Dec 25 with 1627 views | Humpty |
| Trump Getting Ready to Shake Down NATO? on 15:02 - Dec 25 by union_jack |
I think he meant the Russians? |
Yeah. They were sort of involved a little bit weren't they? |  | | |
| Trump Getting Ready to Shake Down NATO? on 15:38 - Dec 25 with 1610 views | valleyboy |
| Trump Getting Ready to Shake Down NATO? on 15:25 - Dec 25 by Humpty |
Yeah. They were sort of involved a little bit weren't they? |
And who do you think were supplying the Russians with supplies to fight the Germans then????
If that hadn’t happen the Russians wouldn’t have been able to first stop the German advance and then to on the attack |  | | |
| Trump Getting Ready to Shake Down NATO? on 15:53 - Dec 25 with 1606 views | Shaky |
| Trump Getting Ready to Shake Down NATO? on 15:38 - Dec 25 by valleyboy |
And who do you think were supplying the Russians with supplies to fight the Germans then????
If that hadn’t happen the Russians wouldn’t have been able to first stop the German advance and then to on the attack |
An estimated 26.6 million Russians lives were lost as a result of WW II, including around 11 million soldiers.
I was rather hoping your views yesterday evening were the result of excessive Christmas cheer, but alas that seems nor to have been the case. | |
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| Trump Getting Ready to Shake Down NATO? on 16:51 - Dec 25 with 1596 views | Humpty |
| Trump Getting Ready to Shake Down NATO? on 15:38 - Dec 25 by valleyboy |
And who do you think were supplying the Russians with supplies to fight the Germans then????
If that hadn’t happen the Russians wouldn’t have been able to first stop the German advance and then to on the attack |
Lend Lease to Russia had hardly started going by the time Russia and the weather had halted the first German advance in late 1941.
80-90% of all German combat casualties happened on the Eastern Front. That's not my opinion, that's a fact. To Germans, the Second World War means the war against Russia.
To claim the defeat of the Nazis was mainly due to the US and UK is flat out wrong.
And before I'm accused of it I am in no way denigrating the effort put in by British and American troops, including my Grandfather. | | | |
| Trump Getting Ready to Shake Down NATO? on 21:29 - Dec 26 with 1535 views | controversial_jack |
| Trump Getting Ready to Shake Down NATO? on 16:51 - Dec 25 by Humpty |
Lend Lease to Russia had hardly started going by the time Russia and the weather had halted the first German advance in late 1941.
80-90% of all German combat casualties happened on the Eastern Front. That's not my opinion, that's a fact. To Germans, the Second World War means the war against Russia.
To claim the defeat of the Nazis was mainly due to the US and UK is flat out wrong.
And before I'm accused of it I am in no way denigrating the effort put in by British and American troops, including my Grandfather. |
Lend lease from the Americans to the red army didn't happen until after the battle of Stalingrad, however during the battle for Moscow, 30% of Russian equipment was British made, including aircraft and tanks | | | |
| Trump Getting Ready to Shake Down NATO? on 21:34 - Dec 26 with 1532 views | controversial_jack |
| Trump Getting Ready to Shake Down NATO? on 15:00 - Dec 25 by valleyboy |
Well there were other fighters from different countries around Europe and the Commonwelth, but the marjority of soliders figting Hitler came from the US and the U.K.
Put it this way, that if the US had not decided to join the war then the U.K. too would have been under the Nazi influence as well |
That's not true, the Germans faced far more Russian divisions in the east than they did allied ones in the west The east is where the German army was defeated, the west was a sideshow in comparison. | | | |
| Trump Getting Ready to Shake Down NATO? on 21:38 - Dec 26 with 1527 views | Humpty |
| Trump Getting Ready to Shake Down NATO? on 21:29 - Dec 26 by controversial_jack |
Lend lease from the Americans to the red army didn't happen until after the battle of Stalingrad, however during the battle for Moscow, 30% of Russian equipment was British made, including aircraft and tanks |
The US provided money before that.
I'm surprised at the figure for British equipment during the Moscow fighting but just checked and you're right. | | | |
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| Trump Getting Ready to Shake Down NATO? on 21:55 - Dec 26 with 1511 views | Lohengrin |
| Trump Getting Ready to Shake Down NATO? on 21:38 - Dec 26 by Humpty |
The US provided money before that.
I'm surprised at the figure for British equipment during the Moscow fighting but just checked and you're right. |
Homework for you, Hump - see if you can discover how many of the Luftwaffe and Panzer commanders that spearheaded Blitzkrieg in 1940 undertook their training in the secret Soviet bases at Lipetsk and Kazan, or what percentage of ordnance dropped on British cities that same year was of Soviet manufacture? |  |
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| Trump Getting Ready to Shake Down NATO? on 21:59 - Dec 26 with 1506 views | Humpty |
| Trump Getting Ready to Shake Down NATO? on 21:55 - Dec 26 by Lohengrin |
Homework for you, Hump - see if you can discover how many of the Luftwaffe and Panzer commanders that spearheaded Blitzkrieg in 1940 undertook their training in the secret Soviet bases at Lipetsk and Kazan, or what percentage of ordnance dropped on British cities that same year was of Soviet manufacture? |
Training in the Soviet Union? No idea but I'd guess a very high percentage.
Ordnance dropped on British cities? No idea. | | | |
| Trump Getting Ready to Shake Down NATO? on 13:31 - Dec 27 with 1455 views | valleyboy |
| Trump Getting Ready to Shake Down NATO? on 21:34 - Dec 26 by controversial_jack |
That's not true, the Germans faced far more Russian divisions in the east than they did allied ones in the west The east is where the German army was defeated, the west was a sideshow in comparison. |
The West was a side show in comparison
There was this little thing that before the West coukd get back at the Germans they had to get all their troops and equipment across the channel first
That in itself was no side show
Still the West got to Berlin as did the Russians
You must also ask if the Russians could have advanced as far as they did if the West had not got their troops and equipment across the channel | | | |
| Trump Getting Ready to Shake Down NATO? on 13:58 - Dec 27 with 1446 views | controversial_jack |
| Trump Getting Ready to Shake Down NATO? on 13:31 - Dec 27 by valleyboy |
The West was a side show in comparison
There was this little thing that before the West coukd get back at the Germans they had to get all their troops and equipment across the channel first
That in itself was no side show
Still the West got to Berlin as did the Russians
You must also ask if the Russians could have advanced as far as they did if the West had not got their troops and equipment across the channel |
The west didn't get to Berlin, the Russians did.Berlin was divided up after the war | | | |
| Trump Getting Ready to Shake Down NATO? on 14:09 - Dec 27 with 1436 views | Humpty |
| Trump Getting Ready to Shake Down NATO? on 13:31 - Dec 27 by valleyboy |
The West was a side show in comparison
There was this little thing that before the West coukd get back at the Germans they had to get all their troops and equipment across the channel first
That in itself was no side show
Still the West got to Berlin as did the Russians
You must also ask if the Russians could have advanced as far as they did if the West had not got their troops and equipment across the channel |
Yes they would have IMO, but it would obviously have taken them longer than it did.
Nobody is denying that the western allies played a major role in defeating Germany, just that the Soviets played a bigger part. The figures for manpower involved and casualties show that to be the case. | | | |
| Trump Getting Ready to Shake Down NATO? on 14:28 - Dec 27 with 1429 views | longlostjack |
| Trump Getting Ready to Shake Down NATO? on 13:58 - Dec 27 by controversial_jack |
The west didn't get to Berlin, the Russians did.Berlin was divided up after the war |
Which is why Churchill preferred going through the Balkans rather than Normandy I believe. |  |
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| Trump Getting Ready to Shake Down NATO? on 15:19 - Dec 27 with 1419 views | controversial_jack |
| Trump Getting Ready to Shake Down NATO? on 14:28 - Dec 27 by longlostjack |
Which is why Churchill preferred going through the Balkans rather than Normandy I believe. |
Churchill wanted to carry on going east, but Eisenhower called a halt; apparently, Churchill was furious.I think it was the right decision as who knows what would have happened if they had come into conflict with the red army. Churchill thought the commies to be as much of a menace as the NAZI's were, which was ridiculous. | | | |
| Trump Getting Ready to Shake Down NATO? on 15:37 - Dec 27 with 1416 views | Highjack |
| Trump Getting Ready to Shake Down NATO? on 15:19 - Dec 27 by controversial_jack |
Churchill wanted to carry on going east, but Eisenhower called a halt; apparently, Churchill was furious.I think it was the right decision as who knows what would have happened if they had come into conflict with the red army. Churchill thought the commies to be as much of a menace as the NAZI's were, which was ridiculous. |
Yeah what an idiot. The commies were much worse. |  |
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| Trump Getting Ready to Shake Down NATO? on 18:41 - Dec 27 with 1399 views | controversial_jack |
| Trump Getting Ready to Shake Down NATO? on 15:37 - Dec 27 by Highjack |
Yeah what an idiot. The commies were much worse. |
Compared to what the Germans did in Russia - the einsatzgruppen for example, not to mention the SS. 3.3 million Russian prisoners, 1.4 million jews plus many other undesirable groups murdered or starved.
Whatever the red army did in revenge was nothing compared to what the Germans did. | | | |
| Trump Getting Ready to Shake Down NATO? on 16:03 - Dec 28 with 1338 views | longlostjack |
Just been talking to a bloke in a pub. Started talking about Germany and how he loved it 40 years ago the last time he went but would never go back because it had changed too much. Asked him what he meant and he said it had been overrun by Syrians thanks to Merkel. FFS 😩! | |
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