| This Week Was Needed 18:58 - Dec 1 with 8531 views | TheKirkyLife |
Good for perspective. Our team isn't the finished article and neither is Mr. Potter.
I think he's dug this hole himself to be fair. An unsettled starting eleven, a keeper who has been robbed of all his confidence following the most ridiculous benching I've seen in all my years as a Swans fan and an absurd determination to be consistent in remaining inconsistent.
Am I panicking? No.
We're sure to make more moves in January both ways and I feel like a consolidation year was needed. Would I like to have been back in the Premier League after one season? Of course I would. Then again the heart of our squad was sold at the county market in Summer - we wouldn't survive more than a year.
We were on the scoresheet in some way in all three matches so it's not like we went down without a fight. Another positive to take is that we were honestly the architects of our own undoing vs Norwich and West Brom. If we had drawn those two games and lost against Derby we'd only be two points better off but I bet people would be a lot happier than what they are now.
Rather than point fingers, let's remember what these guys have done in the Swansea name so far this season. Not been this proud to support the club since Monk's Wonder Year. YJB. |  | | |  |
| This Week Was Needed on 21:02 - Dec 3 with 1175 views | jack247 |
| This Week Was Needed on 20:35 - Dec 3 by valleyboy |
What playing against 10 men for 80 minutes
That’s not a result I would spout about
Isn’t it funny, the season Swansea veered away from this “Swansea way” the Swans landed up 4 positions higher than any time they played this Swansea way
I don’t know if you are a statistics man but just look at them for that season that Monk was in charge and then tell me it wasn’t better
Monk got the sack for other factor |
Are you seriously claiming beating Valencia 3-0 in the Mestalla isn’t a result to spout about? |  | | |
| This Week Was Needed on 21:07 - Dec 3 with 1171 views | Garyjack |
| This Week Was Needed on 20:58 - Dec 3 by 34dfgdf54 |
He used to pretty much concede games against the top sides. Used to drive Jenkins nuts if I remember correctly. |
I'm pretty sure no manager would concede games against top sides Risca. If that were the case we would never have won a major trophy. Still, it's a hell of a stat considering most regard his stint in charge as 'The Golden Era'? |  | | |
| This Week Was Needed on 21:10 - Dec 3 with 1163 views | 34dfgdf54 |
| This Week Was Needed on 21:07 - Dec 3 by Garyjack |
I'm pretty sure no manager would concede games against top sides Risca. If that were the case we would never have won a major trophy. Still, it's a hell of a stat considering most regard his stint in charge as 'The Golden Era'? |
Didn’t he make a lot of changes though? I may be wrong but I’m sure I can remember him always saying they were bonus games etc.
Not slagging him off at all I thought he was quality, best sides I’ve seen for us. |  | | |
| This Week Was Needed on 21:35 - Dec 3 with 1142 views | valleyboy |
| This Week Was Needed on 21:07 - Dec 3 by Garyjack |
I'm pretty sure no manager would concede games against top sides Risca. If that were the case we would never have won a major trophy. Still, it's a hell of a stat considering most regard his stint in charge as 'The Golden Era'? |
What Risca jack has written is absolut,y true
So much for this golden era under Laudrup
Laudrup appointed in June 2012
Sacked 4th February 2014
The only season he completed a full season managing the Swans in the zpremier League
Won 11
Drawn 13
Lost 14
Average win ratio to round figures 28%
His final season before he was sacked
Won 6
Drawn 6
Lost 12
Average win ratio 25%
If that’s the golden age in some people’s eyes, then I give up | | | |
| This Week Was Needed on 21:36 - Dec 3 with 1141 views | valleyboy |
| This Week Was Needed on 21:10 - Dec 3 by 34dfgdf54 |
Didn’t he make a lot of changes though? I may be wrong but I’m sure I can remember him always saying they were bonus games etc.
Not slagging him off at all I thought he was quality, best sides I’ve seen for us. |
All I will say is that you are easily pleased | | | |
| This Week Was Needed on 21:41 - Dec 3 with 1138 views | 34dfgdf54 |
| This Week Was Needed on 21:36 - Dec 3 by valleyboy |
All I will say is that you are easily pleased |
Is this guy a Cardiff fan? | | | |
| This Week Was Needed on 21:45 - Dec 3 with 1135 views | valleyboy |
| This Week Was Needed on 21:35 - Dec 3 by valleyboy |
What Risca jack has written is absolut,y true
So much for this golden era under Laudrup
Laudrup appointed in June 2012
Sacked 4th February 2014
The only season he completed a full season managing the Swans in the zpremier League
Won 11
Drawn 13
Lost 14
Average win ratio to round figures 28%
His final season before he was sacked
Won 6
Drawn 6
Lost 12
Average win ratio 25%
If that’s the golden age in some people’s eyes, then I give up |
While I’m at it, I will give you what Gary Monk achieved in that first year in the Premier League
Won 16
Drawn 8
Lost 14
Average win ratio in round figures 44% | | | |
| This Week Was Needed on 21:48 - Dec 3 with 1133 views | valleyboy |
| This Week Was Needed on 21:02 - Dec 3 by jack247 |
Are you seriously claiming beating Valencia 3-0 in the Mestalla isn’t a result to spout about? |
There’s something wrong if you can’t beat a team that’s played for 80 minutes with 10 men | | | |
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| This Week Was Needed on 22:00 - Dec 3 with 1119 views | Garyjack |
| This Week Was Needed on 21:48 - Dec 3 by valleyboy |
There’s something wrong if you can’t beat a team that’s played for 80 minutes with 10 men |
But we beat a team this season playing for 85 minutes with 10 men. How does that work then? | | | |
| This Week Was Needed on 22:12 - Dec 3 with 1115 views | jack247 |
| This Week Was Needed on 21:41 - Dec 3 by 34dfgdf54 |
Is this guy a Cardiff fan? |
No, he’s just on a wind up. So far we’ve had...
The Swansea way was just passing for passings sake
It was invented by accident in the Championship
Garry Monk was our best recent manager
The Valencia game wasn’t much to shout about | | | |
| This Week Was Needed on 07:41 - Dec 4 with 1065 views | 34dfgdf54 |
| This Week Was Needed on 22:12 - Dec 3 by jack247 |
No, he’s just on a wind up. So far we’ve had...
The Swansea way was just passing for passings sake
It was invented by accident in the Championship
Garry Monk was our best recent manager
The Valencia game wasn’t much to shout about |
And Supporters have been easilly pleased over a manager who won our first bit of major silverware, took us into Europe, and took us to 9th, one place behind Monk's "glory season". | | | |
| This Week Was Needed on 10:00 - Dec 4 with 1040 views | AlfieMooresSon |
| This Week Was Needed on 01:26 - Dec 2 by builthjack |
We are a lower half Championship team. Not Potters fault, as we have lower half Championship players. If you are going to blame anyone blame those tosspots who sold the club, and those fakers who bought it without a pot to pee in |
Spot on and most importantly a weak squad, so the longer the season goes on the worse we will do as bigger and better squads will still be able to cope with the injuries, fatigue, and suspensions. | | | |
| This Week Was Needed on 10:39 - Dec 4 with 1012 views | TailGunner |
| This Week Was Needed on 10:00 - Dec 4 by AlfieMooresSon |
Spot on and most importantly a weak squad, so the longer the season goes on the worse we will do as bigger and better squads will still be able to cope with the injuries, fatigue, and suspensions. |
I think the penny is finally dropping with those who claimed this is a quality squad, equipped for the slog of a Championship season.
With the ridiculous notion of playing pretty much the same squad week in week out, laced with rookies.
This squad is (with a couple of exceptions) full of hard working, honest players who can cope at this level.
They are capable of beating & also losing against anyone. The problem is they are leggy already, going into December. There is little there past the 1st 14 or so names to help them
They massively need help in January......... | | | |
| This Week Was Needed on 11:41 - Dec 4 with 1001 views | valleyboy |
| This Week Was Needed on 07:41 - Dec 4 by 34dfgdf54 |
And Supporters have been easilly pleased over a manager who won our first bit of major silverware, took us into Europe, and took us to 9th, one place behind Monk's "glory season". |
Laudrup might have taken the Swans to 9th in the Premier League (one position below Monk) but a difference of 10 points makes a big difference I would say
If Laudrup had only finished with 46 points in the same season that Monk finished in 8th, he would have landed up in 14th
You only have to look at the percentage wins, the games lost and those boring draws, to see that Laudrup wasn’t the manager that most posters on here make him out to be
Must be that win, playing against 10 men for 80 minutes in Valencia that’s clouded their brain | | | |
| This Week Was Needed on 11:56 - Dec 4 with 996 views | jack247 |
| This Week Was Needed on 11:41 - Dec 4 by valleyboy |
Laudrup might have taken the Swans to 9th in the Premier League (one position below Monk) but a difference of 10 points makes a big difference I would say
If Laudrup had only finished with 46 points in the same season that Monk finished in 8th, he would have landed up in 14th
You only have to look at the percentage wins, the games lost and those boring draws, to see that Laudrup wasn’t the manager that most posters on here make him out to be
Must be that win, playing against 10 men for 80 minutes in Valencia that’s clouded their brain |
Or possibly the fact we went on autopilot after qualifying for Europe is clouding yours. Rightly or wrongly (wrongly in my view) we had about 10 games that we played like pre-season friendlies at the end of that season.
Honest question - do you think Monk was the best manager of our PL era? | | | |
| This Week Was Needed on 12:02 - Dec 4 with 995 views | valleyboy |
| This Week Was Needed on 10:39 - Dec 4 by TailGunner |
I think the penny is finally dropping with those who claimed this is a quality squad, equipped for the slog of a Championship season.
With the ridiculous notion of playing pretty much the same squad week in week out, laced with rookies.
This squad is (with a couple of exceptions) full of hard working, honest players who can cope at this level.
They are capable of beating & also losing against anyone. The problem is they are leggy already, going into December. There is little there past the 1st 14 or so names to help them
They massively need help in January......... |
So when did the penny drop with you then???
I have argued and argued with a lot of Swansea supporters that you can only introduce one or two players coming up from the under 23’s at a time, but no way can you introduce the numbers that Swansea are doing all at once
Even if only one or two players are introduced at a time, to play them regularly without a break as you say, is potentially suicidal and could even destroy a player
That is why I argued with you when Swansea signed Asoro
It wasn’t a player that only had pace but nothing else, but players with Championship experiance.
Not just one, but at least two if not three
What has surprised me though, is how quickly they have tired
It was inevitable this would happen, but to happen before the start of December is something else
Two games a week in the Championship, training (although the likes of Bill Shankley only believed in very light training after the season started) and some of the players playing in internationals has got to take its toll | | | |
| This Week Was Needed on 12:17 - Dec 4 with 987 views | valleyboy |
| This Week Was Needed on 11:56 - Dec 4 by jack247 |
Or possibly the fact we went on autopilot after qualifying for Europe is clouding yours. Rightly or wrongly (wrongly in my view) we had about 10 games that we played like pre-season friendlies at the end of that season.
Honest question - do you think Monk was the best manager of our PL era? |
If you take the season that Swansea finished in 8th place, then statisticslly he has to be
10 points higher in the Premier League than any other manager had done before
Football whether you like it or not is a results game
There’s a very sound reason why it went pear shape in the following season
He backed Jenkins and a certain Director against standing up for Dyer and because of that completely lost the dressing room
What I find strange though, that when Monk was in charge of the team that ended up in 8th place, I never read much on here in how posters thought how badly Swansea were playing under Monk
Did you ever post then that his methods were not what you liked or is this something that’s come because of how the teams lerformace just fell off the cliff after beating Man U at home because of non football problems within the club | | | |
| This Week Was Needed on 12:20 - Dec 4 with 985 views | TailGunner |
| This Week Was Needed on 12:02 - Dec 4 by valleyboy |
So when did the penny drop with you then???
I have argued and argued with a lot of Swansea supporters that you can only introduce one or two players coming up from the under 23’s at a time, but no way can you introduce the numbers that Swansea are doing all at once
Even if only one or two players are introduced at a time, to play them regularly without a break as you say, is potentially suicidal and could even destroy a player
That is why I argued with you when Swansea signed Asoro
It wasn’t a player that only had pace but nothing else, but players with Championship experiance.
Not just one, but at least two if not three
What has surprised me though, is how quickly they have tired
It was inevitable this would happen, but to happen before the start of December is something else
Two games a week in the Championship, training (although the likes of Bill Shankley only believed in very light training after the season started) and some of the players playing in internationals has got to take its toll |
Not sure what you are getting at??
I have never said this squad is strong enough.
Asoro was not signed as the finished article - he was signed with an eye on the future.
You made it massively clear you wanted him to fail from day 1 - just to prove you are right, which is incredibly sad - an ageing pensioner should not behave that way. Let your bitterness go!
Other than that you agree with me.
Which is nice. [Post edited 4 Dec 2018 12:24]
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| This Week Was Needed on 12:33 - Dec 4 with 974 views | AlfieMooresSon |
| This Week Was Needed on 12:02 - Dec 4 by valleyboy |
So when did the penny drop with you then???
I have argued and argued with a lot of Swansea supporters that you can only introduce one or two players coming up from the under 23’s at a time, but no way can you introduce the numbers that Swansea are doing all at once
Even if only one or two players are introduced at a time, to play them regularly without a break as you say, is potentially suicidal and could even destroy a player
That is why I argued with you when Swansea signed Asoro
It wasn’t a player that only had pace but nothing else, but players with Championship experiance.
Not just one, but at least two if not three
What has surprised me though, is how quickly they have tired
It was inevitable this would happen, but to happen before the start of December is something else
Two games a week in the Championship, training (although the likes of Bill Shankley only believed in very light training after the season started) and some of the players playing in internationals has got to take its toll |
Agreed I have said this before the season started, also that Potter did not have the suitable experience for the Championship, it's a tough league to get to grips with and after relegation, we needed someone with experience, we also needed someone in early, he arrived too late.
These players are fading before our eyes, forget the playoffs, let's try and keep away from the bottom. [Post edited 4 Dec 2018 12:37]
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| This Week Was Needed on 12:35 - Dec 4 with 973 views | valleyboy |
| This Week Was Needed on 12:20 - Dec 4 by TailGunner |
Not sure what you are getting at??
I have never said this squad is strong enough.
Asoro was not signed as the finished article - he was signed with an eye on the future.
You made it massively clear you wanted him to fail from day 1 - just to prove you are right, which is incredibly sad - an ageing pensioner should not behave that way. Let your bitterness go!
Other than that you agree with me.
Which is nice. [Post edited 4 Dec 2018 12:24]
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Where did I say, that you had said, that the Swansea squad wasnt strong enough
I’ve never had a clue what you thoughts were on the sqaud, other than today’s posting
As for signing players for the future, I would have thought there was enough of those already at Swansea | | | |
| This Week Was Needed on 12:38 - Dec 4 with 970 views | jack247 |
| This Week Was Needed on 12:17 - Dec 4 by valleyboy |
If you take the season that Swansea finished in 8th place, then statisticslly he has to be
10 points higher in the Premier League than any other manager had done before
Football whether you like it or not is a results game
There’s a very sound reason why it went pear shape in the following season
He backed Jenkins and a certain Director against standing up for Dyer and because of that completely lost the dressing room
What I find strange though, that when Monk was in charge of the team that ended up in 8th place, I never read much on here in how posters thought how badly Swansea were playing under Monk
Did you ever post then that his methods were not what you liked or is this something that’s come because of how the teams lerformace just fell off the cliff after beating Man U at home because of non football problems within the club |
Of course it’s a results game.
Winning a trophy at Wembley is a result.
Playing in Europe is a result.
Did I ever post I didn’t like Monks methods? Absolutely. If memory serves me correct he lasted 3 or 4 games longer than he should have. Made me sad at the time because he gave us so much as a player, but was clearly out of his league.
You know as well as I do that had he taken over when Martinez did, we’d still be plodding along in the lower leagues playing sanitised football in front of 8,000 | | | |
| This Week Was Needed on 12:43 - Dec 4 with 967 views | TailGunner |
| This Week Was Needed on 12:35 - Dec 4 by valleyboy |
Where did I say, that you had said, that the Swansea squad wasnt strong enough
I’ve never had a clue what you thoughts were on the sqaud, other than today’s posting
As for signing players for the future, I would have thought there was enough of those already at Swansea |
That's ok - thanks for agreeing with me.
A pair of visionaries are we!! | | | |
| This Week Was Needed on 13:29 - Dec 4 with 955 views | valleyboy |
| This Week Was Needed on 12:38 - Dec 4 by jack247 |
Of course it’s a results game.
Winning a trophy at Wembley is a result.
Playing in Europe is a result.
Did I ever post I didn’t like Monks methods? Absolutely. If memory serves me correct he lasted 3 or 4 games longer than he should have. Made me sad at the time because he gave us so much as a player, but was clearly out of his league.
You know as well as I do that had he taken over when Martinez did, we’d still be plodding along in the lower leagues playing sanitised football in front of 8,000 |
What I asked, was if you had posted your dislikes of Monk’s tactics and that they were wrong in the season that Swansea finished in 8th position and not after September of the following season
These days, players can get rid of a manager if they have a grudge against him and that is what I think happened, especially in what they saw at the training ground when this opposition to Monk started
You convincly beat Man U one week and then play as if you have never played professional football before, which of course coincides with what happened at the training ground | | | |
| This Week Was Needed on 13:44 - Dec 4 with 946 views | TailGunner |
| This Week Was Needed on 13:29 - Dec 4 by valleyboy |
What I asked, was if you had posted your dislikes of Monk’s tactics and that they were wrong in the season that Swansea finished in 8th position and not after September of the following season
These days, players can get rid of a manager if they have a grudge against him and that is what I think happened, especially in what they saw at the training ground when this opposition to Monk started
You convincly beat Man U one week and then play as if you have never played professional football before, which of course coincides with what happened at the training ground |
Who do you think led the training ground mutiny / opposition against Laudrup...?? | | | |
| This Week Was Needed on 13:45 - Dec 4 with 946 views | jack247 |
| This Week Was Needed on 13:29 - Dec 4 by valleyboy |
What I asked, was if you had posted your dislikes of Monk’s tactics and that they were wrong in the season that Swansea finished in 8th position and not after September of the following season
These days, players can get rid of a manager if they have a grudge against him and that is what I think happened, especially in what they saw at the training ground when this opposition to Monk started
You convincly beat Man U one week and then play as if you have never played professional football before, which of course coincides with what happened at the training ground |
Yeah, absolutely I did. Did you do the same when Laudrup was in charge?
Your second paragraph sums up what happened to both of them, most obviously to Laudrup, in fact Monk was one of the ringleaders first time round.
Anyway, you’ve confirmed you thought Monk was the best manager of the PL era. Agree to disagree on that one. | | | |
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