| Jeremy Corbyn 12:42 - Jul 24 with 117502 views | CountyJim |
I'm going to vote for him was going to go with Burnham but the amount of crap he's put up with and with dignity
He's a man of principal don't share his views on the monarch but we all have different points of view
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| Jeremy Corbyn on 10:15 - Jul 27 with 2526 views | perchrockjack |
Not quite right cottsy ,although very eloquent.
Again, its your take on matters; your perception.
Post war, people were shattered and wanted a new dawn ,something different and Churchill ,although a great leader , wasn't seen as that.
He was re-elected however after the introduction of the NHS and nationalisation - the massive socialist agenda- and this a very old man, so I stand by every word I say but I welcome your imput.
FAIR PLAY, you stick to the subject matter |  |
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| Jeremy Corbyn on 11:03 - Jul 27 with 2504 views | Cottsy |
| Jeremy Corbyn on 10:15 - Jul 27 by perchrockjack |
Not quite right cottsy ,although very eloquent.
Again, its your take on matters; your perception.
Post war, people were shattered and wanted a new dawn ,something different and Churchill ,although a great leader , wasn't seen as that.
He was re-elected however after the introduction of the NHS and nationalisation - the massive socialist agenda- and this a very old man, so I stand by every word I say but I welcome your imput.
FAIR PLAY, you stick to the subject matter |
Churchill won in 51 due to a faulty electoral system not because the people rejected socialism, Labour won the most votes in that election but again that's the past and not relevant to today just like the 1980s are not relevant to today. |  |
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| Jeremy Corbyn on 11:04 - Jul 27 with 2500 views | perchrockjack |
Interesting but | |
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| Jeremy Corbyn on 11:17 - Jul 27 with 2486 views | perchrockjack |
I was only 1 at that time and never heard that before. Was it a Tory plot? 51 election was called after Labours tiny majority in 1950, so my point stands. Was the 55 election also faulty in the 55 election because the conservatives increased their majority.
The 59 election saw an even greater majority for tories , this after more than a decade of NHS and nationalisation, the great tenets of LABOUR PARTY.
Look at the electoral map of GB at that time and the vast majority of this country rejected both socialism and LABOUR and that is fact.
Its also the case the old industrial heartlands of south (not north) Wales, Lancashire,urban Yorkshire ,N/E , voted then as they do now , whereas many tory heartlands ,like Wirral, voted Labour/Liberal.
Intersting stuff but the sun is out now so I WISH YOU A GOOD DAY | |
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| Jeremy Corbyn on 13:37 - Jul 27 with 2439 views | yescomeon |
| Jeremy Corbyn on 10:10 - Jul 27 by Cottsy |
And Clement Attlee won a landslide victory against Britain's most popular leader after he had just led Britain to victory in the second World War with probably the most socialist manifesto ever put to the British people but that doesn't prove anything either.
What made the circumstances right for the people to reject socialism in 1983 or overwhelmingly accept it in 1945 have little to do with what is happening in the world today.
There is a growing wave of anti-austerity and anti-establishment politics sweeping across the western world and Jeremy Corbyn could be the right person at the right time to lead it in the UK.
Around 50,00 young people have joined Labour in the past few weeks just to vote for Corbyn, they don't care what happened in the 1983 election they care about what is happening to them now, how they are being saddled with a lifetime of debt, are being priced out of even renting a home and are being forced to carry the burden for the government's austerity measures.
And before anyone says "but young people don't vote" they do if they think they have something to vote for, just look at Scotland for proof.
Sadly the PLP will do everything in its power to ignore the democratic will of the party membership by either working against JC if he's elected or by just ignoring the huge shift to the left by the members if he doesn't win by giving Liz Kendall a plum shadow cabinet job and sending JC back to the wilderness. |
Bang on the money of how I feel. If he wins leadership, with the right social media campaign he could surprise people in the next election. |  |
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| Jeremy Corbyn on 14:00 - Jul 27 with 2431 views | jackonicko |
| Jeremy Corbyn on 10:10 - Jul 27 by Cottsy |
And Clement Attlee won a landslide victory against Britain's most popular leader after he had just led Britain to victory in the second World War with probably the most socialist manifesto ever put to the British people but that doesn't prove anything either.
What made the circumstances right for the people to reject socialism in 1983 or overwhelmingly accept it in 1945 have little to do with what is happening in the world today.
There is a growing wave of anti-austerity and anti-establishment politics sweeping across the western world and Jeremy Corbyn could be the right person at the right time to lead it in the UK.
Around 50,00 young people have joined Labour in the past few weeks just to vote for Corbyn, they don't care what happened in the 1983 election they care about what is happening to them now, how they are being saddled with a lifetime of debt, are being priced out of even renting a home and are being forced to carry the burden for the government's austerity measures.
And before anyone says "but young people don't vote" they do if they think they have something to vote for, just look at Scotland for proof.
Sadly the PLP will do everything in its power to ignore the democratic will of the party membership by either working against JC if he's elected or by just ignoring the huge shift to the left by the members if he doesn't win by giving Liz Kendall a plum shadow cabinet job and sending JC back to the wilderness. |
There may well be a growing wave of anti-austerity, anti-establishment noise. But I'm not sure that noise is really translating into electoral success.
Putting aside Greece (and that hasn't exactly been an anti-austerity success to date), the election results across western Europe has seen a trend of returning parties with centre-right traditions. France, Scandinavia and most recently the UK being cases in point.
It will be interesting to see if that trend replicates itself in the US presidential elections. Bad news for Hilary if it does. |  | | |
| Jeremy Corbyn on 15:03 - Jul 27 with 2409 views | WarwickHunt |
| Jeremy Corbyn on 13:37 - Jul 27 by yescomeon |
Bang on the money of how I feel. If he wins leadership, with the right social media campaign he could surprise people in the next election. |
Dream on. It will be wipe out. |  | | |
| Jeremy Corbyn on 15:27 - Jul 27 with 2398 views | perchrockjack |
Its only bang on the money if you believe.
Frankly, he will destroy the Labour vote nationwide although granted in the heartlands he ll be a very attractive proposition.
LABOUR is the party of the rich
Who tell the poor they are poor
Because of other rich people | |
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| Jeremy Corbyn on 15:33 - Jul 27 with 2394 views | yescomeon |
| Jeremy Corbyn on 15:27 - Jul 27 by perchrockjack |
Its only bang on the money if you believe.
Frankly, he will destroy the Labour vote nationwide although granted in the heartlands he ll be a very attractive proposition.
LABOUR is the party of the rich
Who tell the poor they are poor
Because of other rich people |
Which is what you believe... | |
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| Jeremy Corbyn on 15:35 - Jul 27 with 2388 views | yescomeon |
| Jeremy Corbyn on 15:03 - Jul 27 by WarwickHunt |
Dream on. It will be wipe out. |
No one gave him a chance in this race but he is looking like a serious contender. Policies like renationalising the railways and energy companies, scrapping trident, bringing in rent caps will be popular policies. Time will tell, he still has to win the leadership first. | |
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| Jeremy Corbyn on 15:37 - Jul 27 with 2383 views | waynekerr55 |
| Jeremy Corbyn on 15:27 - Jul 27 by perchrockjack |
Its only bang on the money if you believe.
Frankly, he will destroy the Labour vote nationwide although granted in the heartlands he ll be a very attractive proposition.
LABOUR is the party of the rich
Who tell the poor they are poor
Because of other rich people |
Labour is the party of every other sub group in society bar the squeezed middle who just want to work and aspire to do better |  |
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| Jeremy Corbyn on 15:39 - Jul 27 with 2379 views | waynekerr55 |
| Jeremy Corbyn on 15:35 - Jul 27 by yescomeon |
No one gave him a chance in this race but he is looking like a serious contender. Policies like renationalising the railways and energy companies, scrapping trident, bringing in rent caps will be popular policies. Time will tell, he still has to win the leadership first. |
And how exactly will these policies be paid for?
Bear in mind a lot of ordinary people, yes the ones the 'party of the people' claim to represent have money invested in pension pots with these privatised companies.
And how exactly will rent caps work? | |
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| Jeremy Corbyn on 15:50 - Jul 27 with 2362 views | Groo |
| Jeremy Corbyn on 15:35 - Jul 27 by yescomeon |
No one gave him a chance in this race but he is looking like a serious contender. Policies like renationalising the railways and energy companies, scrapping trident, bringing in rent caps will be popular policies. Time will tell, he still has to win the leadership first. |
He will not defend our people, for that its a big no for me. He would sell us out big time. |  |
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| Jeremy Corbyn on 15:58 - Jul 27 with 2352 views | yescomeon |
| Jeremy Corbyn on 15:39 - Jul 27 by waynekerr55 |
And how exactly will these policies be paid for?
Bear in mind a lot of ordinary people, yes the ones the 'party of the people' claim to represent have money invested in pension pots with these privatised companies.
And how exactly will rent caps work? |
That's for him to figure out. I'm sure scrapping trident and cutting down on tax avoidance would go a long way towards it. Cost of rent cap would be Bourne by the landlords I would assume, and would be not so much as cost as a reduction in profit. | |
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| Jeremy Corbyn on 16:03 - Jul 27 with 2343 views | waynekerr55 |
| Jeremy Corbyn on 15:58 - Jul 27 by yescomeon |
That's for him to figure out. I'm sure scrapping trident and cutting down on tax avoidance would go a long way towards it. Cost of rent cap would be Bourne by the landlords I would assume, and would be not so much as cost as a reduction in profit. |
So scrap our nuclear deterrent despite the return to cold war.
We won't solve tax evasion unless there's a global consensus on this which is about as likely as Benjamin Netunyahu being invited to a party for Eid
And the rent cap will probably force a significant proportion of landlords out of the game, leading to those who are cash rich (ironically the ones these policies target) picking up further housing stock and a greater burden on the welfare state as people don't have an income. | |
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| Jeremy Corbyn on 16:15 - Jul 27 with 2330 views | yescomeon |
| Jeremy Corbyn on 16:03 - Jul 27 by waynekerr55 |
So scrap our nuclear deterrent despite the return to cold war.
We won't solve tax evasion unless there's a global consensus on this which is about as likely as Benjamin Netunyahu being invited to a party for Eid
And the rent cap will probably force a significant proportion of landlords out of the game, leading to those who are cash rich (ironically the ones these policies target) picking up further housing stock and a greater burden on the welfare state as people don't have an income. |
Return to the cold war come on. I have no idea of the rent cap mechanic but given that most people rent, then it is going to prove popular. | |
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| Jeremy Corbyn on 16:23 - Jul 27 with 2322 views | LeonisGod |
| Jeremy Corbyn on 15:35 - Jul 27 by yescomeon |
No one gave him a chance in this race but he is looking like a serious contender. Policies like renationalising the railways and energy companies, scrapping trident, bringing in rent caps will be popular policies. Time will tell, he still has to win the leadership first. |
I don't think so. They aren't going to win an election from the heartland (especially now Scotland has gone). They need to win over the centre ground. I can't see that happening with Corbyn. At all. I may well be wrong, but I think most people are far too comfortable and conditioned to consumerist and capitalist ideals to suddenly swing back to old fashioned socialism. No matter how appealingly idealistic it is. We'll see.
Edit - and yes, he does still have to win. I'm not sure that's as clear cut as the poll is making out. [Post edited 27 Jul 2015 16:24]
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| Jeremy Corbyn on 16:55 - Jul 27 with 2296 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Jeremy Corbyn on 16:15 - Jul 27 by yescomeon |
Return to the cold war come on. I have no idea of the rent cap mechanic but given that most people rent, then it is going to prove popular. |
There are almost twice as many people in this country who own their own homes compared with those that rent.
This is the problem. All of the fairytale economics are based on an absolute absence of fact. To listen to people like Corbyn, the vast majority of the population are in low paid work or are out of work, struggling to pay the rent to a git of a private landlord, or are in social housing. It's just not true. The majority are (as has been described on here) the squeezed middle - people that earn too much for benefits / housing allowances etc, who own their own houses and are constantly being told that they are 'rich' and should 'pay their fair share'.
That is why Corbyn won't stand a chance if he gets in by the way. | | | |
| Jeremy Corbyn on 17:06 - Jul 27 with 2287 views | dailew |
| Jeremy Corbyn on 15:39 - Jul 27 by waynekerr55 |
And how exactly will these policies be paid for?
Bear in mind a lot of ordinary people, yes the ones the 'party of the people' claim to represent have money invested in pension pots with these privatised companies.
And how exactly will rent caps work? |
Scrapping Trident would probably save £100bn so would be enough by itself to buy back a fair bit. |  |
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| Jeremy Corbyn on 17:26 - Jul 27 with 2272 views | waynekerr55 |
| Jeremy Corbyn on 16:55 - Jul 27 by londonlisa2001 |
There are almost twice as many people in this country who own their own homes compared with those that rent.
This is the problem. All of the fairytale economics are based on an absolute absence of fact. To listen to people like Corbyn, the vast majority of the population are in low paid work or are out of work, struggling to pay the rent to a git of a private landlord, or are in social housing. It's just not true. The majority are (as has been described on here) the squeezed middle - people that earn too much for benefits / housing allowances etc, who own their own houses and are constantly being told that they are 'rich' and should 'pay their fair share'.
That is why Corbyn won't stand a chance if he gets in by the way. |
Don't let facts get in the way of an MP and his detached sound bytes 😂 | |
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| Jeremy Corbyn on 17:43 - Jul 27 with 2236 views | dailew |
| Jeremy Corbyn on 16:55 - Jul 27 by londonlisa2001 |
There are almost twice as many people in this country who own their own homes compared with those that rent.
This is the problem. All of the fairytale economics are based on an absolute absence of fact. To listen to people like Corbyn, the vast majority of the population are in low paid work or are out of work, struggling to pay the rent to a git of a private landlord, or are in social housing. It's just not true. The majority are (as has been described on here) the squeezed middle - people that earn too much for benefits / housing allowances etc, who own their own houses and are constantly being told that they are 'rich' and should 'pay their fair share'.
That is why Corbyn won't stand a chance if he gets in by the way. |
Are you sure?
The average wage is only £27,000 and a sizeable majority earn less than this.
You can get tax credits up to £50,000,
How many people own their home (ie possess the deeds to their home)? | |
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| Jeremy Corbyn on 17:58 - Jul 27 with 2219 views | monmouth |
| Jeremy Corbyn on 17:26 - Jul 27 by waynekerr55 |
Don't let facts get in the way of an MP and his detached sound bytes 😂 |
What's leaving me genuinely open mouthed is that anyone, anyone, anyone at all, thinks labour led by Jezza could win a general election. The main benefit for labour of him being leader is to have the mother of all rammies, get all the bloodletting out the way pdq and set their stall out with a new bod (say, Hunt or Jarvis) and a fresh sense of purpose in about 2018.
The alternative is to sleepwalk to further humiliation trying to be 'nice' tories with one of the three faceless ones, probably the thunderbird puppet, caked up, made up, flip flopper who looks like he cacks his pants if he gets asked what day it is. Or Mrs Balls. The other blairbot is already toast. |  |
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| Jeremy Corbyn on 17:58 - Jul 27 with 2217 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Jeremy Corbyn on 17:43 - Jul 27 by dailew |
Are you sure?
The average wage is only £27,000 and a sizeable majority earn less than this.
You can get tax credits up to £50,000,
How many people own their home (ie possess the deeds to their home)? |
The tax credits you can get at that sort of household income are all to do with childcare help and child credits which are paid for via the tax credits system rather than separately. Ignoring the children element, the working tax credit stops completely at £18k household income so you are distorting the facts.
And the 'possess deeds to their home' is an absolute irrelevance. People own their homes via a mortgage which will be paid off after 25 years - it was always thus. Are you suggesting that anyone that has a mortgage is 'poor' and 'downtrodden'? By definition, virtually everyone (even those considered 'rich') will have a mortgage until at least mid forties or so. | | | |
| Jeremy Corbyn on 18:13 - Jul 27 with 2194 views | dailew |
| Jeremy Corbyn on 17:58 - Jul 27 by londonlisa2001 |
The tax credits you can get at that sort of household income are all to do with childcare help and child credits which are paid for via the tax credits system rather than separately. Ignoring the children element, the working tax credit stops completely at £18k household income so you are distorting the facts.
And the 'possess deeds to their home' is an absolute irrelevance. People own their homes via a mortgage which will be paid off after 25 years - it was always thus. Are you suggesting that anyone that has a mortgage is 'poor' and 'downtrodden'? By definition, virtually everyone (even those considered 'rich') will have a mortgage until at least mid forties or so. |
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/apr/06/welfare-britain-facts-myths
"The welfare state is a big part of British family life, with 20.3 million families receiving some kind of benefit (64% of all families), about 8.7 million of them pensioners. For 9.6 million families, benefits make up more than half of their income (30% of all families), around 5.3 million of them pensioners. The number of families receiving benefits will be between 1 and 2 million fewer now because of changes to child tax credits that mean some working families who previously got a small amount now get nothing."
Say it's down to 60% now - that leaves 40% not receiving benefits.
By definition the top 10% are not in the "middle".
This leaves a middle not on benefits of 30%. Half the number on benefits.
"And the 'possess deeds to their home' is an absolute irrelevance"
Is that some kind of a joke,
"People own their homes via a mortgage which will be paid off after 25 years - it was always thus. "
Oh yeah? How many wil default. How many have IO mortgages, I never considered I owned my house till I got the deeds in my hand. [Post edited 27 Jul 2015 18:23]
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| Jeremy Corbyn on 18:34 - Jul 27 with 2179 views | waynekerr55 |
| Jeremy Corbyn on 18:13 - Jul 27 by dailew |
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/apr/06/welfare-britain-facts-myths
"The welfare state is a big part of British family life, with 20.3 million families receiving some kind of benefit (64% of all families), about 8.7 million of them pensioners. For 9.6 million families, benefits make up more than half of their income (30% of all families), around 5.3 million of them pensioners. The number of families receiving benefits will be between 1 and 2 million fewer now because of changes to child tax credits that mean some working families who previously got a small amount now get nothing."
Say it's down to 60% now - that leaves 40% not receiving benefits.
By definition the top 10% are not in the "middle".
This leaves a middle not on benefits of 30%. Half the number on benefits.
"And the 'possess deeds to their home' is an absolute irrelevance"
Is that some kind of a joke,
"People own their homes via a mortgage which will be paid off after 25 years - it was always thus. "
Oh yeah? How many wil default. How many have IO mortgages, I never considered I owned my house till I got the deeds in my hand. [Post edited 27 Jul 2015 18:23]
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Going off on a tangent... You've changed your posting style.
Maybe you're in the running for POTY 😶 | |
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