| Brian Flynn - his contribution to Swansea City 23:01 - Aug 2 with 19391 views | Groo |
Had to start a new thread to see what the general consensus was on Flynn's time here. Basically this comes from Darran's comments that quite shocked me that he blamed Flynn for our being so close to losing our league position, where as I have always seen Flynn as a saviour who stopped us from going down. The following is how I remember it.
The current board took over the club in 2002 and shortly after we lost Colin Addison as manager, due to financial reasons I believe, I thought he had gone when Petty was still in charge but reading up a bit it appears he went after the buy out.
Nick Cusack was the team captain and well thought of by the fans, the board then made what I feel has been their one and only bad management appointment, they appointed Cusack, initially as caretaker with Freestone and then as full manager.
Nick Cusack had no managerial experience and was thrown in at the deep end to sink or swim. He saw us through to the end of the season with Roger Freestone, where we finished 20th.
We needed to build a team as the squad had been destroyed during the shambles the previous year. Cusack I remember recruited a number of players, some of which came from hastily arranged trial matches. We ended up starting the season with a team made up of the dregs of the football league.
On September 19th 2002, after 9 games Cusack was sacked as manager, we had just 6 points and were bottom of the football league, the team was an absolute shambles.
Brian Flynn was appointed the same day and had the task of saving us from the drop. His starting point was Cusacks squad who were in a rut of losing games, he looked to try and improve the squad and brought in the likes of Leon and Martinez, by the end of October we had doubled our points total to 12 by Jan 1st we had tripled that original points tally to 18 and were still bottom.
As we all know, we eventually survived by the skin of our teeth on the last day of the season.
Darran appears to blame Flynn for this, where as I blame the shambles of a squad put together by Cusack which Flynn inherited.
In his only summer transfer window he brought in the likes of Trundle and Robinson, the following season, rather than being at the foot of the division, we found ourselves at the top end, leading in the early stages. As the season wore on, our position started dropping and rumours of indiscipline and drinking were all about which ended up with Flynn leaving and Jacket replacing him.
That first season in charge though, I believe that Flynn saved us and I feel under most managers we would have gone, the position we were left in by Cusack, who wasn’t equipped to manage the team, and the team we had when Flynn took over, we were only ever going out of the league.
So as asked, am I wrong? Did Flynn not save us? Was it Flynn’s fault we were bottom when we were?
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He became manager of Wrexham in 1989, and remained in charge until 2001.[5] During his twelve years in charge Wrexham won the FAW Premier Cup three times gaining entry to the Cup Winners Cup. They acheived notable FA Cup giant-killing victories over reigning league champions Arsenal and Premier League West Ham United.[6][7] Flynn also led Wrexham to promotion into the second division.[7] At the time of his departure from Wrexham he was the league's third longest serving manager behind Alex Ferguson and Dario Gradi.[6]
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He's done well with Donny even if a lot of their NPC players stayed at the club. The point that most are missing due to their rosé tinted specs is his totall lake of enthusiasm and commitment when he was here.
I remember exactly how I felt towards him going into our last 6 games of that season and it wasn't positive I can tell you. |  |
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| Brian Flynn - his contribution to Swansea City on 13:17 - Aug 3 with 1384 views | Jackanapes |
Silly me, I thought he was paid to keep us up. I didn't realise he had to pass the acceptabilty test of the unsatisfiables. |  |
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| Brian Flynn - his contribution to Swansea City on 13:23 - Aug 3 with 1336 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| Brian Flynn - his contribution to Swansea City on 13:17 - Aug 3 by Jackanapes |
Silly me, I thought he was paid to keep us up. I didn't realise he had to pass the acceptabilty test of the unsatisfiables. |
If you think living in Burnley and hardly setting foot in Swansea to train and coach the team when we're in serious danger of footballing oblivion then you have a different view of commitment and professionalism than I do. Would you be praising him if we'd gone down? | |
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| Brian Flynn - his contribution to Swansea City on 13:25 - Aug 3 with 1331 views | Darran |
| Brian Flynn - his contribution to Swansea City on 13:23 - Aug 3 by Brynmill_Jack |
If you think living in Burnley and hardly setting foot in Swansea to train and coach the team when we're in serious danger of footballing oblivion then you have a different view of commitment and professionalism than I do. Would you be praising him if we'd gone down? |
Great post Brynie. |  |
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| Brian Flynn - his contribution to Swansea City on 13:31 - Aug 3 with 1324 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| Brian Flynn - his contribution to Swansea City on 13:25 - Aug 3 by Darran |
Great post Brynie. |
I remember some saying that if he took us down he wouldn't be welcome in Neath/PT and Swansea.
Actually I heard a lot more sinister things than that Darran but the sentiments were nearly always the same. Those of us who were there were extremely frustrated with his lack of commitment to OUR club in the most perilous of times and i believe that he would have just shrugged his soulders if he'd have relegated us. I wonder if the apologists for him on here now would still even be watching the Swans had the unthinkable happened? | |
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| Brian Flynn - his contribution to Swansea City on 13:34 - Aug 3 with 1320 views | Jackanapes |
We didn't go down. That's like asking would you buy Leona Lewis records if she didn't go on x factor. If he hadn't kept up we wouldn't be having this conversation. | |
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| Brian Flynn - his contribution to Swansea City on 13:37 - Aug 3 with 1310 views | Darran |
| Brian Flynn - his contribution to Swansea City on 13:31 - Aug 3 by Brynmill_Jack |
I remember some saying that if he took us down he wouldn't be welcome in Neath/PT and Swansea.
Actually I heard a lot more sinister things than that Darran but the sentiments were nearly always the same. Those of us who were there were extremely frustrated with his lack of commitment to OUR club in the most perilous of times and i believe that he would have just shrugged his soulders if he'd have relegated us. I wonder if the apologists for him on here now would still even be watching the Swans had the unthinkable happened? |
Another great post Brynie. | |
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| Brian Flynn - his contribution to Swansea City on 13:39 - Aug 3 with 1306 views | Jackanapes |
Yeah but his whole argument revolves around Brian Flynn getting us relegated. Id just like to point out that this didn't actually happen. You are saying that he is a bad manager becuuse he could have got us relegated.
By that token I want to declare Brendan Rodgers as a terrible manager on the grounds that he might not have got us promoted in a different universe. | |
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| Brian Flynn - his contribution to Swansea City on 13:40 - Aug 3 with 1303 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| Brian Flynn - his contribution to Swansea City on 13:37 - Aug 3 by Darran |
Another great post Brynie. |
Stop it I'm gushing lol | |
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| Brian Flynn - his contribution to Swansea City on 13:41 - Aug 3 with 1297 views | pencoedjack |
| Brian Flynn - his contribution to Swansea City on 13:31 - Aug 3 by Brynmill_Jack |
I remember some saying that if he took us down he wouldn't be welcome in Neath/PT and Swansea.
Actually I heard a lot more sinister things than that Darran but the sentiments were nearly always the same. Those of us who were there were extremely frustrated with his lack of commitment to OUR club in the most perilous of times and i believe that he would have just shrugged his soulders if he'd have relegated us. I wonder if the apologists for him on here now would still even be watching the Swans had the unthinkable happened? |
Good post.
Always been of the feeling anyone who played for the Basseys should never manage us. |  | | |
| Brian Flynn - his contribution to Swansea City on 13:42 - Aug 3 with 1296 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| Brian Flynn - his contribution to Swansea City on 13:40 - Aug 3 by Brynmill_Jack |
Stop it I'm gushing lol |
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| Brian Flynn - his contribution to Swansea City on 13:42 - Aug 3 with 1297 views | Jackanapes |
Will Bony is rubbish because he might have missed those chances. | |
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| Brian Flynn - his contribution to Swansea City on 13:47 - Aug 3 with 1290 views | Jackanapes |
Also who is to say that Brian Flynn moving to Swansea would have made things better? If hes as bad a manager as you all decree, I'd suggest he maybe did us a favour. If he had been there more often he would have fked the players right off and we would have gone down. I m loving how its now a fact that a hypothetical situation would have had a certain outcome. Some clairvoyants on here aye. | |
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| Brian Flynn - his contribution to Swansea City on 13:53 - Aug 3 with 1283 views | Darran |
| Brian Flynn - his contribution to Swansea City on 13:47 - Aug 3 by Jackanapes |
Also who is to say that Brian Flynn moving to Swansea would have made things better? If hes as bad a manager as you all decree, I'd suggest he maybe did us a favour. If he had been there more often he would have fked the players right off and we would have gone down. I m loving how its now a fact that a hypothetical situation would have had a certain outcome. Some clairvoyants on here aye. |
Who said its a fact then!
I'm just stating the facts of his tenure as Swansea City manager and he was taking the piss. | |
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| Brian Flynn - his contribution to Swansea City on 14:03 - Aug 3 with 1276 views | skippyjack |
Thanks Brian.. Now stop coming to Swansea trying to get a little bit of the glory on TV. Get back to wonderful Burnley. |  |
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| Brian Flynn - his contribution to Swansea City on 14:13 - Aug 3 with 1268 views | mawdlamjack |
flynn brought in the players that kept us up , fact.. that they didn't let his dont give a figg attitude affect them is all to their credit
the players put their heart n soul into those games ,as did we the supporters,
flynn only put his jag into gear and pissed off back to burnley |  |
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| Brian Flynn - his contribution to Swansea City on 14:20 - Aug 3 with 1265 views | Jackanapes |
I thought we judged managers on results. For a year we achieved decent results on the pitch. When the results suffered he was rightly sacked. He certainly left the squad in a far healthier condition that that which he inherited.
If achieved that by sending telexes from Burma, whilst sipping cocktails in a strip joint, who am I to question that, if he achieving what he is paid to achieve? Just because someone doesn't meet my approval, it doesn't mean they aren't performing capably. | |
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| Brian Flynn - his contribution to Swansea City on 14:38 - Aug 3 with 1245 views | Jackanapes |
| Brian Flynn - his contribution to Swansea City on 14:13 - Aug 3 by mawdlamjack |
flynn brought in the players that kept us up , fact.. that they didn't let his dont give a figg attitude affect them is all to their credit
the players put their heart n soul into those games ,as did we the supporters,
flynn only put his jag into gear and pissed off back to burnley |
Ah I see so when the team wins its down to the players, but when they lose its down to the manager. That's not insane.
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| Brian Flynn - his contribution to Swansea City on 15:01 - Aug 3 with 1225 views | Darran |
| Brian Flynn - his contribution to Swansea City on 14:20 - Aug 3 by Jackanapes |
I thought we judged managers on results. For a year we achieved decent results on the pitch. When the results suffered he was rightly sacked. He certainly left the squad in a far healthier condition that that which he inherited.
If achieved that by sending telexes from Burma, whilst sipping cocktails in a strip joint, who am I to question that, if he achieving what he is paid to achieve? Just because someone doesn't meet my approval, it doesn't mean they aren't performing capably. |
Decent results?
Admittedly Flynn had work to do taking over from Cusack but from September to May we won 11 games. | |
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| Brian Flynn - his contribution to Swansea City on 15:06 - Aug 3 with 1224 views | Groo |
| Brian Flynn - his contribution to Swansea City on 12:47 - Aug 3 by Jackanapes |
Wrexham[edit source | editbeta]
He became manager of Wrexham in 1989, and remained in charge until 2001.[5] During his twelve years in charge Wrexham won the FAW Premier Cup three times gaining entry to the Cup Winners Cup. They acheived notable FA Cup giant-killing victories over reigning league champions Arsenal and Premier League West Ham United.[6][7] Flynn also led Wrexham to promotion into the second division.[7] At the time of his departure from Wrexham he was the league's third longest serving manager behind Alex Ferguson and Dario Gradi.[6]
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I think the post that said not meant to be a manager was referring to Cusack. | |
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| Brian Flynn - his contribution to Swansea City on 15:12 - Aug 3 with 1217 views | Jackanapes |
Yes and we won most of them from 26th Jan onwards.
So if you take out the nightmare patch that coincided with Leons arrival, when the team was gelling, you see a manager who came in with a team in freefall, rebuilt it, and got them playing together in three months. | |
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| Brian Flynn - his contribution to Swansea City on 15:14 - Aug 3 with 1215 views | Groo |
I don't disagree that Flynn had to go the following season but the fact is in September 2002 he inherited a team of players that were barely good enough for 24th position.
The fact that some say (they maybe right) that it should not have gone to the last game, but the fact remains that the players Flynn inherited didn't have a chance. Another manager brought in instead of Flynn may never have managed to get in the players to save us, Flynn did. Another manager at that time may have taken us down.
Flynn was what we needed at that time, he came and was successful in the aim of keeping us up when we were only ever going to get relegated.
Every manager since then has played a part to get us where we are, every one has added something.
The board made the wrong decision in Cusack, their heart ruled their head and Cusack was not ready to manage a team, he made awful mistakes in the way he brought in players and the players themselves were crap.
Something like 22 players made their debut's for Swansea that year.
Flynn to em a still a hero for that year, no matter what happened the following year, he left us in the top half of the table after arriving just over a year earlier with us rooted at the bottom and on the way out. | |
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| Brian Flynn - his contribution to Swansea City on 15:14 - Aug 3 with 1214 views | Jackanapes |
If you judge Brian Flynns results from Jan 03 to Jan04, they are quite impressive. | |
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| Brian Flynn - his contribution to Swansea City on 15:16 - Aug 3 with 1211 views | Groo |
| Brian Flynn - his contribution to Swansea City on 15:12 - Aug 3 by Jackanapes |
Yes and we won most of them from 26th Jan onwards.
So if you take out the nightmare patch that coincided with Leons arrival, when the team was gelling, you see a manager who came in with a team in freefall, rebuilt it, and got them playing together in three months. |
I'm not sure what the rules were then, but were we not able to sign permanent players until January, Flynn had to live with Cusacks players plus the odd loan until then?
He didn't bring in players on the first day, he had to use Cusacks players for a period of time. | |
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| Brian Flynn - his contribution to Swansea City on 15:20 - Aug 3 with 1205 views | Jackanapes |
| Brian Flynn - his contribution to Swansea City on 15:16 - Aug 3 by Groo |
I'm not sure what the rules were then, but were we not able to sign permanent players until January, Flynn had to live with Cusacks players plus the odd loan until then?
He didn't bring in players on the first day, he had to use Cusacks players for a period of time. |
leon, tate, cutler all loans. I dont recall when Nugent arrived,or Martinez. They were both playing against Rushden when we on tv on sat evening. [Post edited 3 Aug 2013 15:21]
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