| Cardiff Sala saga continues 20:15 - May 9 with 9032 views | KeithHaynes |
From their OS.
The Swiss Federal Tribunal has decided that the Court of Arbitration in Sport doesn’t have jurisdiction to deal with Cardiff City’s claim for damages against FC Nantes.
This isn’t a surprise, and the Club has already prepared separate legal action against them which will be started straightaway as FC Nantes must be held responsible for the accident organised by their agent.
This will be to recover what the Club paid for Emiliano and additional damages for further consequential losses.
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| Cardiff Sala saga continues on 15:16 - May 12 with 1457 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Cardiff Sala saga continues on 13:59 - May 12 by ReslovenSwan1 |
health and safety at work act 1974.
https://www.hse.gov.uk/legislation/hswa.htm
Employers have duties
- employers have towards employees and members of the public
- employees have to themselves and to each other
- certain self-employed have towards themselves and others [Post edited 12 May 2023 14:08]
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As the act says, "health and safety at work" so, when you are not at work them you bear personal responsibility.
If I get in a taxi and drive to my old house to pick up stuff I left behimd when I moved and it crashed, killing me, my current employer bears no duty of care. It was nothing to do with them. Likewise my presvious emplotyer has no duty of care.
Have you been taking lessons from Dr P? Just give it up mun, even the courts have thrown out the ridiculous claims 3 times. Tan is splurging his money down the drain. |  | | |
| Cardiff Sala saga continues on 15:52 - May 12 with 1429 views | swan_si |
| Cardiff Sala saga continues on 14:51 - May 12 by ReslovenSwan1 |
Another analogy to help you understand. All hypothetical and not related to the Cardiff city issue. A simple explanation of "duty of care" .
Gun ownership is licensed in the UK and is obviously quite dangerous. Not as dangerous as airplanes of course. All is fine if regulated and operated under license and the rules are followed.
Lets assume your god fearing neighbours had inherited an unlicensed shot gun to control the rabbits in St Clears area that had been munching on their cabbages.
Lets assume (for the sake of debate) your neighbour handed the unlicensed shotgun and cartridges over to the 18 year old local village hot head from Banc y Felin who was known to the local police who had no license. Your neighbor pays him £50 cash to shoot rabbits for them.
After blasting 50 rabbits on the way home his job is done, but he sees a fox from the pick up and his accidentally shoots the local vicar and the local head of St Clears Women's Institute coming in the opposite direction on bicycles after the lock on the firearm malfunctioned.
I suspect your neighbour might be in a little bit of trouble. Your neighbours caused the accident by not following duty of care principles. They knew the kid was trouble. They knew the gun was unlicensed they know the kid would not declare the £50 for tax purposes there was no receipt for the rabbit cull. They did not check at all if the kid was trained to use firearms.
The family of the Vicar have every right to sue your neighbours after the kid they employed has been locked up for 18 years.
The fact that the Vicar's wife knew the kid's family well and used him to catch moles is irrelevant. [Post edited 12 May 2023 15:13]
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Edge of the seat stuff, it's up there with, Delboys " there's a rhino loose in the city".
Really enjoying some of these analogies.👠|  | | |
| Cardiff Sala saga continues on 16:15 - May 12 with 1411 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Cardiff Sala saga continues on 15:52 - May 12 by swan_si |
Edge of the seat stuff, it's up there with, Delboys " there's a rhino loose in the city".
Really enjoying some of these analogies.👠|
really? Then wait til he starts doing Spoonerisms | | | |
| Cardiff Sala saga continues on 16:35 - May 12 with 1392 views | Superjan |
| Cardiff Sala saga continues on 15:52 - May 12 by swan_si |
Edge of the seat stuff, it's up there with, Delboys " there's a rhino loose in the city".
Really enjoying some of these analogies.👠|
Forget being a lawyer, a career as an author awaits , such a vivid imagination. | | | |
| Cardiff Sala saga continues on 17:18 - May 12 with 1363 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| Cardiff Sala saga continues on 14:51 - May 12 by ReslovenSwan1 |
Another analogy to help you understand. All hypothetical and not related to the Cardiff city issue. A simple explanation of "duty of care" .
Gun ownership is licensed in the UK and is obviously quite dangerous. Not as dangerous as airplanes of course. All is fine if regulated and operated under license and the rules are followed.
Lets assume your god fearing neighbours had inherited an unlicensed shot gun to control the rabbits in St Clears area that had been munching on their cabbages.
Lets assume (for the sake of debate) your neighbour handed the unlicensed shotgun and cartridges over to the 18 year old local village hot head from Banc y Felin who was known to the local police who had no license. Your neighbor pays him £50 cash to shoot rabbits for them.
After blasting 50 rabbits on the way home his job is done, but he sees a fox from the pick up and his accidentally shoots the local vicar and the local head of St Clears Women's Institute coming in the opposite direction on bicycles after the lock on the firearm malfunctioned.
I suspect your neighbour might be in a little bit of trouble. Your neighbours caused the accident by not following duty of care principles. They knew the kid was trouble. They knew the gun was unlicensed they know the kid would not declare the £50 for tax purposes there was no receipt for the rabbit cull. They did not check at all if the kid was trained to use firearms.
The family of the Vicar have every right to sue your neighbours after the kid they employed has been locked up for 18 years.
The fact that the Vicar's wife knew the kid's family well and used him to catch moles is irrelevant. [Post edited 12 May 2023 15:13]
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Sorry mods reported this as abuse by accident fat fingers again. |  |
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| Cardiff Sala saga continues on 17:29 - May 12 with 1350 views | swan_si |
| Cardiff Sala saga continues on 17:18 - May 12 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
Sorry mods reported this as abuse by accident fat fingers again. |
abuse by fat fingers🤔, that'll be in the adult section, top shelf.😱😂 | | | |
| Cardiff Sala saga continues on 18:08 - May 12 with 1317 views | Whiterockin |
| Cardiff Sala saga continues on 17:18 - May 12 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
Sorry mods reported this as abuse by accident fat fingers again. |
Abuse no, but fantasy, that's another story. |  | | |
| Cardiff Sala saga continues on 18:08 - May 12 with 1319 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| Cardiff Sala saga continues on 17:29 - May 12 by swan_si |
abuse by fat fingers🤔, that'll be in the adult section, top shelf.😱😂 |
It’s the title of Charles and Camillas sex tape.
That’s a euphemism not an analogy. | |
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| Cardiff Sala saga continues on 18:16 - May 12 with 1294 views | shaggyrogers |
| Cardiff Sala saga continues on 11:11 - May 11 by ReslovenSwan1 |
The agent for Nantes arranged flights for the player from Nantes to Carfiff both when he was their player and after they had sold the player. It could be argued all the flights involved in the sale process were not done with adequate care and attention and this was not know by CCFC. |
If i had paid £15 million for an asset i would have made damn sure i knew how it was getting back to me. Cardiff knew exactly how he was travelling back to them | | | |
| Cardiff Sala saga continues on 18:37 - May 12 with 1260 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Cardiff Sala saga continues on 18:08 - May 12 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
It’s the title of Charles and Camillas sex tape.
That’s a euphemism not an analogy. |
So "anal...ogy" is part of their sex tape? | | | |
| Cardiff Sala saga continues on 18:58 - May 12 with 1246 views | swan_si |
| Cardiff Sala saga continues on 18:37 - May 12 by SullutaCreturned |
So "anal...ogy" is part of their sex tape? |
" anal...ogy" isn't in the main feature, I believe it's on the back side.
I'll get my coat.🙄 | | | |
| Cardiff Sala saga continues on 21:38 - May 12 with 1178 views | Boundy |
| Cardiff Sala saga continues on 13:59 - May 12 by ReslovenSwan1 |
health and safety at work act 1974.
https://www.hse.gov.uk/legislation/hswa.htm
Employers have duties
- employers have towards employees and members of the public
- employees have to themselves and to each other
- certain self-employed have towards themselves and others [Post edited 12 May 2023 14:08]
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In work , he wasn't | |
| "In a free society, the State is the servant of the people—not the master." |
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| Cardiff Sala saga continues on 22:53 - May 12 with 1128 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
Poster on here determined to get Nantes and the agent off the hook are downright weird. The idea that this matter win or lose in court makes any difference to Cardiff city is ludicrous.
The outstanding costs of the case will barely scratch Mr Tan who recently sold his Los Angeles FC stake for $140m (mostly profit) and is selling Kortwik for an expected £10m profit. He is also recovering from the Covid time as markets pick up.
If I was Nantes I would settle up and offer 50:50 of the balance. The Nantes owner is not even a billionaire just a millionaire. [Post edited 13 May 2023 0:49]
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| Cardiff Sala saga continues on 04:35 - May 13 with 1081 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Cardiff Sala saga continues on 22:53 - May 12 by ReslovenSwan1 |
Poster on here determined to get Nantes and the agent off the hook are downright weird. The idea that this matter win or lose in court makes any difference to Cardiff city is ludicrous.
The outstanding costs of the case will barely scratch Mr Tan who recently sold his Los Angeles FC stake for $140m (mostly profit) and is selling Kortwik for an expected £10m profit. He is also recovering from the Covid time as markets pick up.
If I was Nantes I would settle up and offer 50:50 of the balance. The Nantes owner is not even a billionaire just a millionaire. [Post edited 13 May 2023 0:49]
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He was not a Nantes player so Nantes have no responsibility for a Cardiff player. | |
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| Cardiff Sala saga continues on 08:43 - May 13 with 1031 views | Whiterockin |
| Cardiff Sala saga continues on 22:53 - May 12 by ReslovenSwan1 |
Poster on here determined to get Nantes and the agent off the hook are downright weird. The idea that this matter win or lose in court makes any difference to Cardiff city is ludicrous.
The outstanding costs of the case will barely scratch Mr Tan who recently sold his Los Angeles FC stake for $140m (mostly profit) and is selling Kortwik for an expected £10m profit. He is also recovering from the Covid time as markets pick up.
If I was Nantes I would settle up and offer 50:50 of the balance. The Nantes owner is not even a billionaire just a millionaire. [Post edited 13 May 2023 0:49]
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Why should Nantes settle 50:50 Cardiff have lost in every court appearance regarding this issue.
In March Cardiff owner Vincent Tan told Swiss media: “We were never able to use the very promising player we had bought. Emiliano Sala could have scored the few goals that would have saved us from demotion to the Championship.
https://www.insideworldfootball.com/2023/05/10/cardiff-lose-sala-appeal-swiss-co
Key word Tan used here is "could" there are no certainties in football and is risking everything on this case, failure to pay the second instalment due in a couple of months will result in another transfer embargo. He is putting his pride before his club, there won't be a Reading to save them next season. | | | |
| Cardiff Sala saga continues on 11:58 - May 13 with 979 views | KeithHaynes |
| Cardiff Sala saga continues on 08:43 - May 13 by Whiterockin |
Why should Nantes settle 50:50 Cardiff have lost in every court appearance regarding this issue.
In March Cardiff owner Vincent Tan told Swiss media: “We were never able to use the very promising player we had bought. Emiliano Sala could have scored the few goals that would have saved us from demotion to the Championship.
https://www.insideworldfootball.com/2023/05/10/cardiff-lose-sala-appeal-swiss-co
Key word Tan used here is "could" there are no certainties in football and is risking everything on this case, failure to pay the second instalment due in a couple of months will result in another transfer embargo. He is putting his pride before his club, there won't be a Reading to save them next season. |
They are going for a far lower balance of probability now.
One last throw of the bluebirds dice. | |
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| Cardiff Sala saga continues on 12:24 - May 13 with 966 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| Cardiff Sala saga continues on 04:35 - May 13 by felixstowe_jack |
He was not a Nantes player so Nantes have no responsibility for a Cardiff player. |
But what if he was munching Nantes cabbages? | |
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| Cardiff Sala saga continues on 12:45 - May 13 with 961 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| Cardiff Sala saga continues on 11:58 - May 13 by KeithHaynes |
They are going for a far lower balance of probability now.
One last throw of the bluebirds dice. |
Not sure it’s their last throw of the dice. They haven’t tried the UN, The Hague, the Galactic Empire or the supreme mugwump of the international confederation of wizards yet.
Lots of avenues left for them to explore. | |
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| Cardiff Sala saga continues on 12:54 - May 13 with 952 views | Dr_Winston |
| Cardiff Sala saga continues on 12:45 - May 13 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
Not sure it’s their last throw of the dice. They haven’t tried the UN, The Hague, the Galactic Empire or the supreme mugwump of the international confederation of wizards yet.
Lots of avenues left for them to explore. |
Would make a cracking episode of Judge Judy. |  |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| Cardiff Sala saga continues on 13:01 - May 13 with 946 views | KeithHaynes |
| Cardiff Sala saga continues on 12:45 - May 13 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
Not sure it’s their last throw of the dice. They haven’t tried the UN, The Hague, the Galactic Empire or the supreme mugwump of the international confederation of wizards yet.
Lots of avenues left for them to explore. |
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You forgot the Cardiff court of supreme concourse. | |
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| Cardiff Sala saga continues on 20:26 - May 13 with 862 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Cardiff Sala saga continues on 22:53 - May 12 by ReslovenSwan1 |
Poster on here determined to get Nantes and the agent off the hook are downright weird. The idea that this matter win or lose in court makes any difference to Cardiff city is ludicrous.
The outstanding costs of the case will barely scratch Mr Tan who recently sold his Los Angeles FC stake for $140m (mostly profit) and is selling Kortwik for an expected £10m profit. He is also recovering from the Covid time as markets pick up.
If I was Nantes I would settle up and offer 50:50 of the balance. The Nantes owner is not even a billionaire just a millionaire. [Post edited 13 May 2023 0:49]
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Yet more nonsesne. Nobody us trying to get nantes off the hook, they aren't on the hook.
All Nantes did wrong was sell the player to Cardiff City because, as they have found out, Cardiff cannot be trusted. There is no tactic no matter how stupid that they will not try to avoid paying their dues.
What is really downright strange is your determination to put Nantes on the hook. You defend CCFC's position at every turn, you make dubious suppositions and assumputions and make frankly ridiculous analogies to try and back up your position in defence of CCFC and Vincent Tan.
Why do you do this? | | | |
| Cardiff Sala saga continues on 21:05 - May 13 with 840 views | bennytheblue |
| Cardiff Sala saga continues on 18:16 - May 12 by shaggyrogers |
If i had paid £15 million for an asset i would have made damn sure i knew how it was getting back to me. Cardiff knew exactly how he was travelling back to them |
That’s not actually true, Sala told them he wanted an extra night away and was making his own arrangements with agent. A private flight arrival time they knew but no details of it I’m lead to believe. |  | | |
| Cardiff Sala saga continues on 21:32 - May 13 with 827 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Cardiff Sala saga continues on 21:05 - May 13 by bennytheblue |
That’s not actually true, Sala told them he wanted an extra night away and was making his own arrangements with agent. A private flight arrival time they knew but no details of it I’m lead to believe. |
But they knew he was travelling privately and did nothing to ensure his safety?
That also rules nantes out (yet again) because Sala made the arrangements through the agent.
Nothing about anything I have seen says Nantes bear any responsibility here.
Un;ess you are Vince Tan or Resloven of course. | | | |
| Cardiff Sala saga continues on 22:31 - May 13 with 795 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Cardiff Sala saga continues on 21:32 - May 13 by SullutaCreturned |
But they knew he was travelling privately and did nothing to ensure his safety?
That also rules nantes out (yet again) because Sala made the arrangements through the agent.
Nothing about anything I have seen says Nantes bear any responsibility here.
Un;ess you are Vince Tan or Resloven of course. |
The agent was representing Nantes and would get paid by Nantes. Nantes told the player (presumably) to follow the instructions of the agent knowing the agent was unlicensed.
Had Nantes told the player the agent was a bankrupt and banned from acting as agent the player would not have not trusted him and possibly not got on that 'dodgey' airplane flown by a dodgey' pilot.
Nantes had a duty of care to the player but were only interested in the £15m and did not give a fig. Once he was a Cardiff player player they cared even less. Not good enough. | |
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| Cardiff Sala saga continues on 00:13 - May 14 with 755 views | ModeratorD |
| Cardiff Sala saga continues on 17:03 - May 11 by bennytheblue |
You would think it insurance is valid just by signing? How does it work on deadline day when signing at 10.59pm in Liverpool? Insurance company stay open late? |
Not getting involved in apportioning blame in this matter.
With regards to insurance though, it is my understanding that corporate insurance is totally different to say Admiral who are mainly a 9 to 5 company with support outside those hours
If professional clubs like Cardiff deal with a certain company to insure their players, then the fact that they pay that company millions per year ( I would guess ) to insure everything from the kettle to their most expensive player would surely give them the right to expect a representative to be on hand ( either physically or in his/her office ready to process the necessary documents when a transfer is going through.
Especially towards the end of the transfer window.
I would expect it to be on some tick list every club goes through when buying or selling ?
In practice of course we know our clubs ( and others no doubt ) forget to tick the boxes or fax the forms.
The worst part of all this for me is that people died and yet the parties are still squabbling about it.
No one comes out of this smelling of roses. | | | |
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