| The real gauge as to the appetite for Welsh separatism. 15:33 - Aug 25 with 8741 views | Lohengrin |
Despite all the Yes Cymru stickers you’ll encounter on road signs, despite the obvious enthusiasm for political self-immolation you’ll see from a few on here and on the other place, this is the real state of public enthusiasm.
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| The real gauge as to the appetite for Welsh separatism. on 10:58 - Aug 29 with 1108 views | Gwyn737 |
They’re still in better positions than us with leaders who are being far more proactive.
Brexit was supposed to make us better, wasn’t it?
Latest polling shows 16% of us think it’s going well. I see nothing in the future to suggest that number will rise. |  | | |
| The real gauge as to the appetite for Welsh separatism. on 11:25 - Aug 29 with 1090 views | Kilkennyjack |
| The real gauge as to the appetite for Welsh separatism. on 22:02 - Aug 28 by raynor94 |
And Drakeford is doing such a great job, any idea where he is hiding at this moment in time? |
He was at the Cardiff Pride march, lots of photos. |  |
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| The real gauge as to the appetite for Welsh separatism. on 11:30 - Aug 29 with 1087 views | Kilkennyjack |
| The real gauge as to the appetite for Welsh separatism. on 10:09 - Aug 29 by 73__73 |
32% 😂 absolute nonsense |
No - its true.
As John said a significant figure we can build on.
Wait until we see a free Scotland and a united Ireland in the EU.
The SNP and Sinn Fein are already in power - so there’s a clue for you.
And PM Truss waiting in the wings …. 🤣🤣 | |
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| The real gauge as to the appetite for Welsh separatism. on 11:50 - Aug 29 with 1079 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| The real gauge as to the appetite for Welsh separatism. on 11:25 - Aug 29 by Kilkennyjack |
He was at the Cardiff Pride march, lots of photos. |
Glad he’s working hard. |  |
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| The real gauge as to the appetite for Welsh separatism. on 12:03 - Aug 29 with 1075 views | raynor94 |
| The real gauge as to the appetite for Welsh separatism. on 11:25 - Aug 29 by Kilkennyjack |
He was at the Cardiff Pride march, lots of photos. |
I bet the Welsh NHS workers will be pleased to see him out enjoying himself, after the derisory pay offer they have on the table. |  |
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| The real gauge as to the appetite for Welsh separatism. on 12:22 - Aug 29 with 1067 views | Boundy |
| The real gauge as to the appetite for Welsh separatism. on 11:50 - Aug 29 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
Glad he’s working hard. |
wasn't he one of the group of lesbians evicted ( pride V lesbians , not sure how that happened but it did ) | |
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| The real gauge as to the appetite for Welsh separatism. on 12:34 - Aug 29 with 1063 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| The real gauge as to the appetite for Welsh separatism. on 10:09 - Aug 29 by 73__73 |
32% 😂 absolute nonsense |
I have a feeling the Welsh language and Indy campaigners have taken a leaf out of the Cardiff City book of total exaggerations. |  |
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| The real gauge as to the appetite for Welsh separatism. on 12:42 - Aug 29 with 1060 views | BryanSwan |
| The real gauge as to the appetite for Welsh separatism. on 12:34 - Aug 29 by Brynmill_Jack |
I have a feeling the Welsh language and Indy campaigners have taken a leaf out of the Cardiff City book of total exaggerations. |
It was just a poll run by YouGov, the Unionists still have a 68% majority at the minute.
Or is the 68% an exaggeration too? | |
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| The real gauge as to the appetite for Welsh separatism. on 17:15 - Aug 29 with 1032 views | johnlangy |
| The real gauge as to the appetite for Welsh separatism. on 10:26 - Aug 29 by Dr_Winston |
I would be very surprised if, in a referendum held within the next year or so, if the percentage of the eligible electorate who voted for Independence was more than 25%. Probably lower than 20%. Based on previous turnouts for votes on the matter a lot of people don't give a toss either way and wouldn't bother to vote. Most of the rest would choose to stay put.
I think even in Scotland the actual percentage of the electorate who turned out to vote for Independence barely reached 40%, and that's with the significantly more separate status that they've had in the Union. [Post edited 29 Aug 2022 10:42]
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Turnout in the Scottish indy ref was 84.6%. | | | |
| The real gauge as to the appetite for Welsh separatism. on 17:18 - Aug 29 with 1029 views | johnlangy |
| The real gauge as to the appetite for Welsh separatism. on 10:26 - Aug 29 by Dr_Winston |
I would be very surprised if, in a referendum held within the next year or so, if the percentage of the eligible electorate who voted for Independence was more than 25%. Probably lower than 20%. Based on previous turnouts for votes on the matter a lot of people don't give a toss either way and wouldn't bother to vote. Most of the rest would choose to stay put.
I think even in Scotland the actual percentage of the electorate who turned out to vote for Independence barely reached 40%, and that's with the significantly more separate status that they've had in the Union. [Post edited 29 Aug 2022 10:42]
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Sorry Dr, I misunderstood the point you were making.
The pro indy vote was 44.7%. | | | |
| The real gauge as to the appetite for Welsh separatism. on 17:53 - Aug 29 with 1018 views | Kilkennyjack |
| The real gauge as to the appetite for Welsh separatism. on 12:42 - Aug 29 by BryanSwan |
It was just a poll run by YouGov, the Unionists still have a 68% majority at the minute.
Or is the 68% an exaggeration too? |
Yep it looks like thats an exaggeration, fairs fair like ….😉 | |
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| The real gauge as to the appetite for Welsh separatism. on 17:55 - Aug 29 with 1018 views | 73__73 |
| The real gauge as to the appetite for Welsh separatism. on 11:30 - Aug 29 by Kilkennyjack |
No - its true.
As John said a significant figure we can build on.
Wait until we see a free Scotland and a united Ireland in the EU.
The SNP and Sinn Fein are already in power - so there’s a clue for you.
And PM Truss waiting in the wings …. 🤣🤣 |
If you say it’s true, then it must be  | |
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| The real gauge as to the appetite for Welsh separatism. on 18:08 - Aug 29 with 1007 views | Dr_Winston |
| The real gauge as to the appetite for Welsh separatism. on 17:18 - Aug 29 by johnlangy |
Sorry Dr, I misunderstood the point you were making.
The pro indy vote was 44.7%. |
Of those who voted. 60% either voted to remain or didn't care enough about independence to vote for it.
Abstentions tell a tale too. |  |
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| The real gauge as to the appetite for Welsh separatism. on 22:35 - Aug 29 with 987 views | Catullus |
| The real gauge as to the appetite for Welsh separatism. on 10:58 - Aug 29 by Gwyn737 |
They’re still in better positions than us with leaders who are being far more proactive.
Brexit was supposed to make us better, wasn’t it?
Latest polling shows 16% of us think it’s going well. I see nothing in the future to suggest that number will rise. |
Better positions than us? How?
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-08-24/eu-eyes-emergency-talks-on-en
They have the same price rises to deal with, germany has talked of rationing, the whole of Europe is heading for recession as well as elsewhere in the world.
We are all in trouble surely. The UK's problem is that Bojo has given up and we've had to wait weeks until the new leader takes over, lets see how proactive that new leader is but it's not brexit that has caused our current woes, it's Russia and having an uttery useless government that we would likely have had if we had voted to remain. Though maybe we wouldn't have had to suffer bojo but the tories would be there still. | |
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| The real gauge as to the appetite for Welsh separatism. on 07:07 - Aug 30 with 957 views | Dr_Winston |
| The real gauge as to the appetite for Welsh separatism. on 22:35 - Aug 29 by Catullus |
Better positions than us? How?
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-08-24/eu-eyes-emergency-talks-on-en
They have the same price rises to deal with, germany has talked of rationing, the whole of Europe is heading for recession as well as elsewhere in the world.
We are all in trouble surely. The UK's problem is that Bojo has given up and we've had to wait weeks until the new leader takes over, lets see how proactive that new leader is but it's not brexit that has caused our current woes, it's Russia and having an uttery useless government that we would likely have had if we had voted to remain. Though maybe we wouldn't have had to suffer bojo but the tories would be there still. |
Yeah. There are loads of FBPE types desperate to ignore, well, everything else that's going on in the world in their attempts to blame everything on Brexit.
Brexit hasn't gone well, but you wouldn't expect it to when the people in charge at the start of negotiating it were all staunch Remainers. Theresa May and Philip Hammond have a lot to answer for. | |
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| The real gauge as to the appetite for Welsh separatism. on 09:10 - Aug 30 with 932 views | Catullus |
| The real gauge as to the appetite for Welsh separatism. on 07:07 - Aug 30 by Dr_Winston |
Yeah. There are loads of FBPE types desperate to ignore, well, everything else that's going on in the world in their attempts to blame everything on Brexit.
Brexit hasn't gone well, but you wouldn't expect it to when the people in charge at the start of negotiating it were all staunch Remainers. Theresa May and Philip Hammond have a lot to answer for. |
People talk about our price rises being the highest percentage wise, but that's not true either. We are 4th in Europe, Belgium I think have had a 234% rise and Germany are thrird on 219% whereas we ar currently at 209%, I can't remember who is second.
Even so, you have to find out who had the highest prices to start with and then match it to the increases to see who is paying the most now. | |
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| The real gauge as to the appetite for Welsh separatism. on 10:07 - Aug 30 with 923 views | Dr_Winston |
| The real gauge as to the appetite for Welsh separatism. on 09:10 - Aug 30 by Catullus |
People talk about our price rises being the highest percentage wise, but that's not true either. We are 4th in Europe, Belgium I think have had a 234% rise and Germany are thrird on 219% whereas we ar currently at 209%, I can't remember who is second.
Even so, you have to find out who had the highest prices to start with and then match it to the increases to see who is paying the most now. |
Yep. The percentage figure in and of itself is completely meaningless without context. | |
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| The real gauge as to the appetite for Welsh separatism. on 11:38 - Aug 30 with 910 views | johnlangy |
| The real gauge as to the appetite for Welsh separatism. on 18:08 - Aug 29 by Dr_Winston |
Of those who voted. 60% either voted to remain or didn't care enough about independence to vote for it.
Abstentions tell a tale too. |
You're right, abstentions do tell a tale and that means they didn't care enough about Independence to vote for it. They also didn't care enough about the Union to vote No in the referendum.
So they'd have been equally happy with a yes vote as a no vote. | | | |
| The real gauge as to the appetite for Welsh separatism. on 12:19 - Aug 30 with 896 views | Sandanista |
| The real gauge as to the appetite for Welsh separatism. on 22:35 - Aug 29 by Catullus |
Better positions than us? How?
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-08-24/eu-eyes-emergency-talks-on-en
They have the same price rises to deal with, germany has talked of rationing, the whole of Europe is heading for recession as well as elsewhere in the world.
We are all in trouble surely. The UK's problem is that Bojo has given up and we've had to wait weeks until the new leader takes over, lets see how proactive that new leader is but it's not brexit that has caused our current woes, it's Russia and having an uttery useless government that we would likely have had if we had voted to remain. Though maybe we wouldn't have had to suffer bojo but the tories would be there still. |
The advantage Germany has, is it's a Federal state and each region or major city (Landen) has considerable local control. A good system, in that one size does not fit all across Germany or the UK. We have a centralising government. | | | |
| The real gauge as to the appetite for Welsh separatism. on 12:49 - Aug 30 with 877 views | Boundy |
| The real gauge as to the appetite for Welsh separatism. on 12:19 - Aug 30 by Sandanista |
The advantage Germany has, is it's a Federal state and each region or major city (Landen) has considerable local control. A good system, in that one size does not fit all across Germany or the UK. We have a centralising government. |
Also they're far more dependant on Russian gas than we are hence the back tracking on obtaining zero net emissions | |
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| The real gauge as to the appetite for Welsh separatism. on 13:53 - Aug 30 with 849 views | Sandanista |
| The real gauge as to the appetite for Welsh separatism. on 12:49 - Aug 30 by Boundy |
Also they're far more dependant on Russian gas than we are hence the back tracking on obtaining zero net emissions |
Also have very little coastline to utilise for offshore wind, nor have oil/gas fields on their own.
Shows the UK economic underperformance across multiple governments (of all hues) compared to Germany since the 1970s | | | |
| The real gauge as to the appetite for Welsh separatism. on 19:17 - Aug 30 with 798 views | 1462jack |
| The real gauge as to the appetite for Welsh separatism. on 17:18 - Aug 30 by Kilkennyjack |
Yep ….
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Well plaid ! Article wrote by a welsh indi pushing journalists and the author of independent nation👠you got nothing mate [Post edited 30 Aug 2022 19:21]
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| The real gauge as to the appetite for Welsh separatism. on 21:10 - Aug 30 with 746 views | Kilkennyjack |
| The real gauge as to the appetite for Welsh separatism. on 19:17 - Aug 30 by 1462jack |
Well plaid ! Article wrote by a welsh indi pushing journalists and the author of independent nation👠you got nothing mate [Post edited 30 Aug 2022 19:21]
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I am not your mate.
You send threats to people on this site.
Thats who you are. | |
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| The real gauge as to the appetite for Welsh separatism. on 21:15 - Aug 30 with 730 views | 1462jack |
| The real gauge as to the appetite for Welsh separatism. on 21:10 - Aug 30 by Kilkennyjack |
I am not your mate.
You send threats to people on this site.
Thats who you are. |
Nonsense , now you want to retract or you want to be shown up for lying | | | |
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