| English booing taking the knee. 21:07 - Jun 2 with 16839 views | trampie |
English people booing the gesture to support black people and racial equality tonight at M'boro, sounded like the vast majority of the English supporters as well.
Should teams refuse to play England, or should England be banned from the Euros ?
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| English booing taking the knee. on 13:52 - Jun 3 with 1404 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| English booing taking the knee. on 11:53 - Jun 3 by trampie |
The players are not forced to take the knee, some clubs and some players don't.
I have not been told I have to endorse any group by Swansea City.
Do you see any similarities between BLM tactics and Zionist groups tactics, did BLM learn off Zionist groups, how to shut down debate and label opponents ? |
White players effectively have little choice. Brentford's Black players freed their White players of their obligations. Silmilarly players do not have much choice over wearing of the poppy. The Irish player objected at WBA and was open to mass abuse and derision and may have even lost sponsorship money. Jamal Lowe added a black power fist salute.
Media people get evaluated by the views based on the size of their poppy. Asian presenters appear to prefere small poppy lapel pins.
The only people I saw not to observe BLM gestures were the Formula one billionaires.
Both BLM and some religous group clearly have similar tactics. The definition of "anti Semitism" as defined by an officcial Jewish Representatives is very wide indeed.
It includes
"Accusing Jewish citizens of being more loyal to Israel, or to the alleged priorities of Jews worldwide, than to the interests of their own nations." |  |
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| English booing taking the knee. on 13:59 - Jun 3 with 1395 views | Lohengrin |
| English booing taking the knee. on 12:56 - Jun 3 by Gwyn737 |
Now there’s an excellent example of using the new curriculum requirements - ensuring when the world wars are taught, the positive role of BAME protagonists in supporting the cause.
That’s exactly what the recommendations are looking for. |
“The cause?” It’s going to be highly amusing to watch the contortions the various teaching unions are going to have to perform in order to paint such people in a favourable light, Gwyn.
They donned khaki in two major conflicts to fight to defend an empire today’s liberal-left, self-regarding cognoscenti love painting as more malevolent than that of Nero. |  |
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| English booing taking the knee. on 14:05 - Jun 3 with 1378 views | onehunglow |
| English booing taking the knee. on 13:59 - Jun 3 by Lohengrin |
“The cause?” It’s going to be highly amusing to watch the contortions the various teaching unions are going to have to perform in order to paint such people in a favourable light, Gwyn.
They donned khaki in two major conflicts to fight to defend an empire today’s liberal-left, self-regarding cognoscenti love painting as more malevolent than that of Nero. |
Loh.
Is Wales ,to you,some sort of Nirvana,where only the good and great live.
I'm finding matters rather weird of late as to what I see posted.
I do not ever recall hatred such as we see towards the English in my life in Swansea,aoart from rugby internationals and then it was not the vicious bitter bile we see now.
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| English booing taking the knee. on 14:25 - Jun 3 with 1359 views | Gwyn737 |
| English booing taking the knee. on 13:59 - Jun 3 by Lohengrin |
“The cause?” It’s going to be highly amusing to watch the contortions the various teaching unions are going to have to perform in order to paint such people in a favourable light, Gwyn.
They donned khaki in two major conflicts to fight to defend an empire today’s liberal-left, self-regarding cognoscenti love painting as more malevolent than that of Nero. |
One of the rare times the unions have little sway, Loh.
All this stuff is coming from our political leaders and it’s down to individual schools to interpret within the framework. You watch, what will be seen as the ‘correct’ interpretation will be very different in England to Wales.
As I type the direction in England is the polar opposite - there’s guidance out around telling schools not to ignore the positive outcomes of the slave trade.... | | | |
| English booing taking the knee. on 14:45 - Jun 3 with 1341 views | Professor |
| English booing taking the knee. on 14:25 - Jun 3 by Gwyn737 |
One of the rare times the unions have little sway, Loh.
All this stuff is coming from our political leaders and it’s down to individual schools to interpret within the framework. You watch, what will be seen as the ‘correct’ interpretation will be very different in England to Wales.
As I type the direction in England is the polar opposite - there’s guidance out around telling schools not to ignore the positive outcomes of the slave trade.... |
Like Liverpool's magnificent architecture. Built on sugar, slaves and tobacco.
Slavery built fortunes and empire on the misery of others. You can't change the past by removing signs of it, but you can learn from it and acknowledge it. The routes taken by Bristol and Liverpool show one of a knee jerk to that of working towards understanding. Though we are scratching our heads over how to 'decolonise' the curriculum for microbiology. | | | |
| English booing taking the knee. on 14:48 - Jun 3 with 1330 views | Professor |
| English booing taking the knee. on 13:59 - Jun 3 by Lohengrin |
“The cause?” It’s going to be highly amusing to watch the contortions the various teaching unions are going to have to perform in order to paint such people in a favourable light, Gwyn.
They donned khaki in two major conflicts to fight to defend an empire today’s liberal-left, self-regarding cognoscenti love painting as more malevolent than that of Nero. |
Although I saw a recent article suggesting Nero had undergone the same sort of revisionism as Ricard III | | | |
| English booing taking the knee. on 14:50 - Jun 3 with 1328 views | Gwyn737 |
| English booing taking the knee. on 14:45 - Jun 3 by Professor |
Like Liverpool's magnificent architecture. Built on sugar, slaves and tobacco.
Slavery built fortunes and empire on the misery of others. You can't change the past by removing signs of it, but you can learn from it and acknowledge it. The routes taken by Bristol and Liverpool show one of a knee jerk to that of working towards understanding. Though we are scratching our heads over how to 'decolonise' the curriculum for microbiology. |
Spot on. It’s the next step from all the national trust stuff. | | | |
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| English booing taking the knee. on 16:19 - Jun 3 with 1291 views | Lohengrin |
| English booing taking the knee. on 14:48 - Jun 3 by Professor |
Although I saw a recent article suggesting Nero had undergone the same sort of revisionism as Ricard III |
The reason Nero just sprang to mind as I was typing away was a podcast I managed to catch a few days ago by Tom Holland and Dominic Sandbrook.
You’re right his reputation is being salvaged by academic reevaluation that seems to be picking up momentum. Not the dark villain he has been popularly depicted as after all, rather one who had upset the Patricians who paid for the Roman histories to be written.
That’s a ball that’s still rolling... | |
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| English booing taking the knee. on 16:33 - Jun 3 with 1286 views | Professor |
| English booing taking the knee. on 16:19 - Jun 3 by Lohengrin |
The reason Nero just sprang to mind as I was typing away was a podcast I managed to catch a few days ago by Tom Holland and Dominic Sandbrook.
You’re right his reputation is being salvaged by academic reevaluation that seems to be picking up momentum. Not the dark villain he has been popularly depicted as after all, rather one who had upset the Patricians who paid for the Roman histories to be written.
That’s a ball that’s still rolling... |
And as you know our perceptions of Roman History are very informed but its literature. Yet people are still convinced history is about facts... | | | |
| English booing taking the knee. on 16:42 - Jun 3 with 1280 views | Lohengrin |
| English booing taking the knee. on 16:33 - Jun 3 by Professor |
And as you know our perceptions of Roman History are very informed but its literature. Yet people are still convinced history is about facts... |
“Tradition is not the worship of ashes, but the preservation of fire.”
That quote from Mahler ought to preface every school history lesson, Prof. | |
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| English booing taking the knee. on 16:45 - Jun 3 with 1277 views | Professor |
| English booing taking the knee. on 16:42 - Jun 3 by Lohengrin |
“Tradition is not the worship of ashes, but the preservation of fire.”
That quote from Mahler ought to preface every school history lesson, Prof. |
Not one I had heard, but one I fully agree with. | | | |
| English booing taking the knee. on 18:43 - Jun 3 with 1237 views | onehunglow |
| English booing taking the knee. on 14:50 - Jun 3 by Gwyn737 |
Spot on. It’s the next step from all the national trust stuff. |
I think we have acknowledged it to death frankly.
I really do not see why we should now see ourselves as demons
Most slaves were dragged and herded on to the ships by native Africans making big money from the filthy trade.
It' s time to move on .
Liverpool ,I think,has been punished enough over the years | |
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| English booing taking the knee. on 19:12 - Jun 3 with 1230 views | Professor |
| English booing taking the knee. on 18:43 - Jun 3 by onehunglow |
I think we have acknowledged it to death frankly.
I really do not see why we should now see ourselves as demons
Most slaves were dragged and herded on to the ships by native Africans making big money from the filthy trade.
It' s time to move on .
Liverpool ,I think,has been punished enough over the years |
It’s the point I was making- Liverpool has faced up to its history and through the International Slavery Museum acknowledges the role of slavery in the city’s rise and seeks to educate, not cancel. | | | |
| English booing taking the knee. on 19:41 - Jun 3 with 1203 views | onehunglow |
| English booing taking the knee. on 19:12 - Jun 3 by Professor |
It’s the point I was making- Liverpool has faced up to its history and through the International Slavery Museum acknowledges the role of slavery in the city’s rise and seeks to educate, not cancel. |
Fair comment Paul.
I agree | |
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| English booing taking the knee. on 00:33 - Jun 4 with 1159 views | Dr_Parnassus |
This insistence to twist slavery into a race debate is always one that has puzzled me. Slavery was often to do with wealth and class, not race. That’s not to say racism didn’t live alongside it, because it clearly did.
All races have been slaves, European slavery was almost entirely white including the Ottoman slave trade, the Christian slave trade in Iberia to the Barbary slave trade (where over a million slaves were thought to have been captured). That wasn’t because they hated white people, it’s because they could benefit from exploitation.
When people think of slavery they often think of African’s being sold to the Europeans to take to America, but the reality is the whole world already was using slavery of all kinds. Those African people weren’t made into slaves by the Europeans, they were bought as slaves. They were already slaves in Africa to black masters, where slavery was a part of life and the spoils of tribal warfare.
As a society we have moved on, why people want to remain in the past I have no idea and quite why only white people have to acknowledge slavery is quite strange.
Surely I as a white person am as guilty for some white guy buying a slave 100’s of years ago as the next black person is for a black person having (and then subsequently selling) their slaves 100’s of years ago?... for what it’s worth I have zero blame and hold zero guilt for that. None. [Post edited 4 Jun 2021 5:10]
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| English booing taking the knee. on 01:23 - Jun 4 with 1151 views | Dr_Parnassus |
And do you know what annoys me even more?
There are said to be over 40 million slaves today, 40 MILLION. Largely in Africa and Central Asia.
Of those people that harp on about historical slavery constantly, how many are campaigning for the end to current slavery? Do you reckon even 0.01%? Nah me neither.
I suspect it’s because those directly responsible for this current slavery are highly likely not white, so I guess it’s “play on, nothing to see here” for these types. | |
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| English booing taking the knee. on 08:55 - Jun 4 with 1102 views | controversial_jack |
| English booing taking the knee. on 14:45 - Jun 3 by Professor |
Like Liverpool's magnificent architecture. Built on sugar, slaves and tobacco.
Slavery built fortunes and empire on the misery of others. You can't change the past by removing signs of it, but you can learn from it and acknowledge it. The routes taken by Bristol and Liverpool show one of a knee jerk to that of working towards understanding. Though we are scratching our heads over how to 'decolonise' the curriculum for microbiology. |
A statue is a celebration of the persons life and achievements. Should they be celebrated? | | | |
| English booing taking the knee. on 00:32 - Jun 5 with 1051 views | Professor |
| English booing taking the knee. on 00:33 - Jun 4 by Dr_Parnassus |
This insistence to twist slavery into a race debate is always one that has puzzled me. Slavery was often to do with wealth and class, not race. That’s not to say racism didn’t live alongside it, because it clearly did.
All races have been slaves, European slavery was almost entirely white including the Ottoman slave trade, the Christian slave trade in Iberia to the Barbary slave trade (where over a million slaves were thought to have been captured). That wasn’t because they hated white people, it’s because they could benefit from exploitation.
When people think of slavery they often think of African’s being sold to the Europeans to take to America, but the reality is the whole world already was using slavery of all kinds. Those African people weren’t made into slaves by the Europeans, they were bought as slaves. They were already slaves in Africa to black masters, where slavery was a part of life and the spoils of tribal warfare.
As a society we have moved on, why people want to remain in the past I have no idea and quite why only white people have to acknowledge slavery is quite strange.
Surely I as a white person am as guilty for some white guy buying a slave 100’s of years ago as the next black person is for a black person having (and then subsequently selling) their slaves 100’s of years ago?... for what it’s worth I have zero blame and hold zero guilt for that. None. [Post edited 4 Jun 2021 5:10]
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Some fair points there. I suspect the 17th-19th century trade in Africans to the Americas is more prominent in culture, though segregation rules in southern states no doubt kept that prominence
alive. In my view flying the flags of the Confederacy and certain attitudes amongst some people ( and I don’t just mean in the south) perpetuate this.
But there are greater problems of slavery (or near slavery) in Asia and the Middle East through into Europe. You see it in Bangkok and how Filipinos , Bangladeshis and Pakistanis are exploited on low wages in the Middle East. And of course sex workers from Eastern Europe. And yes, you are right these are ignored by many and do not have the voice. | | | |
| English booing taking the knee. on 00:36 - Jun 5 with 1041 views | Professor |
| English booing taking the knee. on 08:55 - Jun 4 by controversial_jack |
A statue is a celebration of the persons life and achievements. Should they be celebrated? |
Well I am not suggesting erecting any more, but the Colston thing made both sides look daft. The unelected elite who protected it and those that threw it into the harbour. Remember those whom we celebrate may be hated by others. Except Dave Grohl. | | | |
| English booing taking the knee. on 01:20 - Jun 5 with 1025 views | 73__73 |
| English booing taking the knee. on 00:32 - Jun 5 by Professor |
Some fair points there. I suspect the 17th-19th century trade in Africans to the Americas is more prominent in culture, though segregation rules in southern states no doubt kept that prominence
alive. In my view flying the flags of the Confederacy and certain attitudes amongst some people ( and I don’t just mean in the south) perpetuate this.
But there are greater problems of slavery (or near slavery) in Asia and the Middle East through into Europe. You see it in Bangkok and how Filipinos , Bangladeshis and Pakistanis are exploited on low wages in the Middle East. And of course sex workers from Eastern Europe. And yes, you are right these are ignored by many and do not have the voice. |
If someone in a confederate state wants to fly old Dixie, what has that got to do with you ?
Sanctimonious claptrap. | |
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| English booing taking the knee. on 01:40 - Jun 5 with 1018 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| English booing taking the knee. on 00:32 - Jun 5 by Professor |
Some fair points there. I suspect the 17th-19th century trade in Africans to the Americas is more prominent in culture, though segregation rules in southern states no doubt kept that prominence
alive. In my view flying the flags of the Confederacy and certain attitudes amongst some people ( and I don’t just mean in the south) perpetuate this.
But there are greater problems of slavery (or near slavery) in Asia and the Middle East through into Europe. You see it in Bangkok and how Filipinos , Bangladeshis and Pakistanis are exploited on low wages in the Middle East. And of course sex workers from Eastern Europe. And yes, you are right these are ignored by many and do not have the voice. |
I am the same. The flag is something I also cannot get along with. It reminds me very much of the BLM knee actually, in so much as many people who fly it have no idea of its meaning.
I can understand why people fly it though. People have their own meanings for the flag, so someone being annoyed that someone dare fly it is probably getting annoyed at a reason that doesn’t exist in the mind of the person doing so. A lot of people fly the flag to show pride in the Southern States, which in itself is no bad thing.
But, just like the knee and fist, it carries far too much baggage for that explanation to overrule the negative past it has and the flag as a result will always be controversial and emotive, which is why I could never fly the flag even if I was proud of Southern culture.
The problem is however, when you give the liberal types an inch they end up taking 9000 miles. I’m sure I read recently that the American flag is now being seen as a symbol of racism, it’s just utterly insatiable - this drive to find racism in absolutely everything.
But Prof, as is becoming standard these days, we are totally agreed on all points. | |
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| English booing taking the knee. on 09:40 - Jun 5 with 955 views | Kilkennyjack |
| English booing taking the knee. on 00:32 - Jun 5 by Professor |
Some fair points there. I suspect the 17th-19th century trade in Africans to the Americas is more prominent in culture, though segregation rules in southern states no doubt kept that prominence
alive. In my view flying the flags of the Confederacy and certain attitudes amongst some people ( and I don’t just mean in the south) perpetuate this.
But there are greater problems of slavery (or near slavery) in Asia and the Middle East through into Europe. You see it in Bangkok and how Filipinos , Bangladeshis and Pakistanis are exploited on low wages in the Middle East. And of course sex workers from Eastern Europe. And yes, you are right these are ignored by many and do not have the voice. |
The flag that flew over the slave ships to the US was this one .. 🇬🇧 |  |
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| English booing taking the knee. on 10:05 - Jun 5 with 952 views | controversial_jack |
| English booing taking the knee. on 00:36 - Jun 5 by Professor |
Well I am not suggesting erecting any more, but the Colston thing made both sides look daft. The unelected elite who protected it and those that threw it into the harbour. Remember those whom we celebrate may be hated by others. Except Dave Grohl. |
Throwing the statue into the sea was purely symbolic, as the slavers often threw the slaves overboard to their deaths, as i'm sure you are aware of. | | | |
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