| Bristol City Match Fred 14:59 - Dec 1 with 41535 views | TheChef |
Fully expecting a defeat, but hope we can put in a decent performance over 90 minutes and get our reward for it. |  |
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| Bristol City Match Fred on 21:55 - Dec 1 with 1952 views | NorthLondonR |
| Bristol City Match Fred on 21:50 - Dec 1 by BklynRanger |
I think it'll be the minority opinion to put it mildly, but I feel sorry for Warburton after that. Deserved to be out of sight by the time Brizzle scored, didn't put chances away, gave away a loose goal, then another.
Ok you can say he got out managed in the second half, doesn't have a plan B, all probably true, but to go from that first 40 mins to that at the end is gutting for everyone concerned. |
Completely agree, however we are so soft when things go against us, so, so soft... we completely outplayed them, but jus a few minor adjustments and we looked terrible. Wallace just isn't up to it at all he allows everyone to bypass him which isn't acceptable whatsoever. Someone needs to get a grip of this as we seem to completely lose motivation after half time or against sustained pressure.... we should have been walking off at 4-1 at half time |  | | |
| Bristol City Match Fred on 21:56 - Dec 1 with 1950 views | NorthantsHoop |
Our continual problem is sloppy defensive errors, difference is we fail to capitilise on the opposition's errors and rarely score, while we invariably concede goals so easily. |  | | |
| Bristol City Match Fred on 21:56 - Dec 1 with 1944 views | ted_hendrix |
| Bristol City Match Fred on 21:50 - Dec 1 by BklynRanger |
I think it'll be the minority opinion to put it mildly, but I feel sorry for Warburton after that. Deserved to be out of sight by the time Brizzle scored, didn't put chances away, gave away a loose goal, then another.
Ok you can say he got out managed in the second half, doesn't have a plan B, all probably true, but to go from that first 40 mins to that at the end is gutting for everyone concerned. |
Then he needs to earn his crust and get it sorted.
For what seems a lifetime we haven't been able to defend.
We are still powder puff up front.
We still cant put a decent performance in for 90 minutes.
It's almost what we now come to expect.
The defense is without doubt our Achilles heel and has been for far, far too long. [Post edited 1 Dec 2020 21:59]
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| Bristol City Match Fred on 21:56 - Dec 1 with 1938 views | Greenbay |
| Bristol City Match Fred on 21:47 - Dec 1 by Antti_Heinola |
Three games in a row almost identical in so many ways. Destroy a team first half, then almost completely out the game second half. Bright superb first half, but barely a kick second, until that god-awful 'finish' at the end.
I have no idea what the answer is, but Warburton needs to stop this worrying trend. We do not have the kiler instinct, we give away stupid, avoidable goal after stupid, avoidable goal every bloody game. If it's not Barbet diving in, it's a terrible pass from Dickie. If it's not BOS failing to follow his man, it's Ball losing his. Over and over. Teams punish us every time, almost, we punish teams about 1 in 10.
We are actually a good side who can give anyone a game, but we are our own worst enemy. [Post edited 1 Dec 2020 21:50]
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We can give anyone a good game Antti for just one half.
We are only as good (obvious) as the players we have.
Most of them are very skilful but for some reason we cannot concentrate for 90 mins.
We are prone to at least 2/3 big mistakes a game and are punished.
Is that because so many of the players are young?
We play some terrific football.
In this match we actually created several chances but we can't finish.
So if we can't finish and can't defend cos it is so difficult to concentrate the whole game - then what have we got?
Answer - we've got a side that punches above its weight - that is attractive to watch for 40 minutes - that will probably finish around 13-17.
BUT it is improving.
We can only hope but it is so frustrating. |  | | |
| Bristol City Match Fred on 21:56 - Dec 1 with 1938 views | CiderwithRsie |
| Bristol City Match Fred on 21:48 - Dec 1 by kensalriser |
So are we back to sacking the manager after losing a couple of games by a single goal to teams higher in the table? |
Absolute effing insanity.
We are a better side than we were before Warburton came, sacking the manager every year didn't work last time (in fact gave us years of misery and a parade of charlatans) and anyway no-one has any serious candidate to replace him.
BUT
None of that makes Warburton immune from criticism. I joked at 1-0 that we needed to get our equaliser and winner in - by the time I'd pressed send we were 1-1, we never did get our equaliser in for 2-2 let alone the winner which we shouldn't have needed anyway. It's predictable and unacceptable. | | | |
| Bristol City Match Fred on 21:57 - Dec 1 with 1910 views | MickS |
| Bristol City Match Fred on 21:52 - Dec 1 by R_from_afar |
Many of us go on about our defensive frailties but our poor chance conversion rate is arguably more of an issue. We have to work on being more clinical. Have the odd dip from distance too. |
We said that whilst watching too - as mentioned several times on here tonight. We ripped them apart for the majority of the first 45, we destroyed them but we lack the killer bit to finish teams off. | | | |
| Bristol City Match Fred on 21:57 - Dec 1 with 1910 views | dm97 |
The pattern within games is more concerning than results. Play well, dominate, get those xG numbers up, then self immolate and leave it with the gods whether we win lose or draw (Rotherham, Brentford, now tonight)
As said above, mixture of young players, stubborn management philosophy and general naivety. By no means warbs out but this whole routine is getting boring now |  | | |
| Bristol City Match Fred on 21:58 - Dec 1 with 1892 views | distortR |
| Bristol City Match Fred on 21:55 - Dec 1 by paulparker |
Did you honestly think we would score ? Same as Friday when we went 2-1 down , we looked shot to me second half
If and a big if we have any funds in the bank we need a left back and a midfielder who stops play when we need it , you can still play expansive football but you need to do the sh1tty things as well and we look incapable of that
We cannot keep chucking points away |
yeah, i thought we would, we should have.
prepared to give Niko some time, he did some good stuff when he came on, but agree would love to see the midfield stiffened up with someone a bit more mobile than Cameron, and that's about his age not ability. | | | |
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| Bristol City Match Fred on 22:00 - Dec 1 with 1819 views | joe90 |
Main takeaway from that is we need to think how we pace ourselves over 90mins. A strong first 30 isn't any good if we don't take our chances. Bristol only needed to make a few tactical changes, which proved effective.
I think we've got a decent team and they really showed what they can do, but we need to be more strategic and think how we build up the tempo. We went in too hard and when Bristol got the equaliser it took the wind out of our sails.
Once Bristol regrouped second half it became very difficult to pass through them like we had been doing, and by that point the game had gotten away from us. It happened second half against Rotherham as well. |  | | |
| Bristol City Match Fred on 22:01 - Dec 1 with 1796 views | SK_hoops |
It's actually infuriating how selfish BOS is. | | | |
| Bristol City Match Fred on 22:03 - Dec 1 with 1763 views | ManinBlack |
| Bristol City Match Fred on 21:35 - Dec 1 by Nov77 |
How the feck do we lose to Bristol feckin’ city six feckin’ times in a row? |
Exactly my thoughts. Perhaps it's a B thing. We just keep losing to Bristol City, Brentford and Blackburn even when we play OK.
Being realistic that is Bristol's fifth away win of the season compared to our one victory on the road. It appears they know how to win these types of games. |  | | |
| Bristol City Match Fred on 22:04 - Dec 1 with 1710 views | paulparker |
| Bristol City Match Fred on 21:58 - Dec 1 by distortR |
yeah, i thought we would, we should have.
prepared to give Niko some time, he did some good stuff when he came on, but agree would love to see the midfield stiffened up with someone a bit more mobile than Cameron, and that's about his age not ability. |
We are not to good to go down , if your conceding 2 or more goals a game that’s a serious issue
Something has to change , another 5 minutes against Rotherham and that would have been 3-3
We almost chucked that game as well
We have to be nasty and horrible but we can’t do it under warbs , it would be a disaster if we go down this year , we are to nice to play against and don’t have the strikers or the defence to play total football for 90 minutes , |  |
| And Bowles is onside, Swinburne has come rushing out of his goal , what can Bowles do here , onto the left foot no, on to the right foot
That’s there that’s two, and that’s Bowles
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| Bristol City Match Fred on 22:05 - Dec 1 with 1707 views | NorthLondonR |
But again if you can't instill defensive discipline and Our left back today was the weak link again (made captain too) im not sure what you can do. He was awful absolutely awful and we just don't look comfortable defensively whatsoever...... we look vulnerable every time the ball goes forward and it doesn't need to be that way | | | |
| Bristol City Match Fred on 22:05 - Dec 1 with 1707 views | PerthRs |
| Bristol City Match Fred on 21:41 - Dec 1 by MedwayR |
I don’t think I’ve seen anyone so wasteful in possession as BOS tonight, incredibly frustrating. |
Totally agree, has the speed and power to beat a player to the line but over cooks it all the time, if only he would do what he did for Dykes goal on Friday he beat a player and then put a ball across behind the backline first time, I hope I'm wrong but it seems that BOS is playing for himself. |  | | |
| Bristol City Match Fred on 22:06 - Dec 1 with 1672 views | Gloucs_R |
8 clean sheets in 66 games.
31% win rate |  |
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| Bristol City Match Fred on 22:07 - Dec 1 with 1648 views | QPR_John |
| Bristol City Match Fred on 21:48 - Dec 1 by kensalriser |
So are we back to sacking the manager after losing a couple of games by a single goal to teams higher in the table? |
Hardly a true reflection of the last two games. It's not that we lost both games by a single goal. It's not that both teams are higher than us. It's the nature of the defeat and not in the last two games. We play some very good football but cannot score the goals our possession would suggest. Add our defensive frailties and its easy to see why 65% possession results in one goal, 35% possession for the opposition results in two goals and three points. This game was not a one off so something has to change. | | | |
| Bristol City Match Fred on 22:08 - Dec 1 with 1633 views | Hunterhoop |
I am fed up.
I am beginning to question whether we are better off with it without Warburton. I don’t think it’s a moronic conversation.
We have conceded the 2nd highest number of goals for last season and this season (separately).
We have conceded the most from corners.
These are fixable things in football. Teams with worse players than us manage it. Set pieces have nothing to do with you open play shape or attacking set up.
In possession, fair play to Warburton we look excellent, almost as good as Warnock’s side and miles better than any team since. But how many do we score? How many games do we win? What is Warburton’s win %? Last year it was 16/46 and this season 4/15. That’s 32.8%. Lower than McClaren and in line with Holloway. And last year we had Eze, playing like he did, and Hugill and Wells. Holloway had Seb Poulter, Sylla and Smith.
But fundamentally, which direction are we going? Since lockdown started what’s our record? What does that say about his motivation?
What does this season’s repeated formula - start well, play well, maybe score, maybe go in level or up; HT; oppo make a change, we get worse, they get better; we draw or lose - say about his in game management?
After 40 mins, did you truly think we’d win or mess it up? What does that say about your faith in his in game ability?
We keep showing we have the talent to outplay anyone in this league for large chunks of the game. So it cannot be a lack of talent.
What is changing?
Warburton doesn’t produce the young players. Ramsey, Hall, etc do. Eze thanked them not Warburton.
I’m not quite there with saying we should bin him off, but I do think it’s an entirely fair conversation now.
He needs to start addressing our obvious issues. If he can’t improve them soon, what evidence is there to say he ever will? And if improvement is the aim of the game - what else can it be - why persist with someone who can’t improve you?
And to an earlier question, yes, I’d love us to grind out an ugly, undeserved 2-1 away win under constant pressure. It would show we’re improving as a professional football side. |  | | |
| Bristol City Match Fred on 22:09 - Dec 1 with 1621 views | Match82 |
| Bristol City Match Fred on 21:45 - Dec 1 by paulparker |
But how many times do we say the defence, the concentration etc ?
Nothing changes , yeah we knocked it around well for 40 minutes then go to pieces
It’s been the same story in pretty much every game , we never looked like scoring again when they went 2-1 up
We are deep in it this year at what point do you change it ? We cannot go on like this someone has to take the team by the scruff of the neck kick a few arses |
Frustrating as it is I'm not too angry about the two goals we gave away today. That's going to happen, we're buying players for next to nothing and paying them a fraction of what some teams are.
I think it was October, we didn't let in a goal from open play the entire month. It FEELS like we are always a brainfart away from conceding (and today we were) but I don't think it happens that much more with us than other championship teams.
What I think is unforgivable is the continued inability to defend set pieces. That's one of the most coachable things in the game and we've made no progress. |  | | |
| Bristol City Match Fred on 22:11 - Dec 1 with 1577 views | Hunterhoop |
| Bristol City Match Fred on 21:52 - Dec 1 by R_from_afar |
Many of us go on about our defensive frailties but our poor chance conversion rate is arguably more of an issue. We have to work on being more clinical. Have the odd dip from distance too. |
Undeniably, both our problems. Which is a big concern.
Looking pretty box to box is irrelevant, unless you want us to become the old Crewe set up of the 90s and 00s. | | | |
| Bristol City Match Fred on 22:11 - Dec 1 with 1575 views | BostonR |
| Bristol City Match Fred on 22:04 - Dec 1 by paulparker |
We are not to good to go down , if your conceding 2 or more goals a game that’s a serious issue
Something has to change , another 5 minutes against Rotherham and that would have been 3-3
We almost chucked that game as well
We have to be nasty and horrible but we can’t do it under warbs , it would be a disaster if we go down this year , we are to nice to play against and don’t have the strikers or the defence to play total football for 90 minutes , |
Agree-we are so easy to score against and have been for two seasons. It’s insane that Warburton is allowed to press the repeat button each week. He could and should have sent the team in at HT 1-0 up. That is good management. |  | | |
| Bristol City Match Fred on 22:11 - Dec 1 with 1569 views | paulparker |
| Bristol City Match Fred on 22:08 - Dec 1 by Hunterhoop |
I am fed up.
I am beginning to question whether we are better off with it without Warburton. I don’t think it’s a moronic conversation.
We have conceded the 2nd highest number of goals for last season and this season (separately).
We have conceded the most from corners.
These are fixable things in football. Teams with worse players than us manage it. Set pieces have nothing to do with you open play shape or attacking set up.
In possession, fair play to Warburton we look excellent, almost as good as Warnock’s side and miles better than any team since. But how many do we score? How many games do we win? What is Warburton’s win %? Last year it was 16/46 and this season 4/15. That’s 32.8%. Lower than McClaren and in line with Holloway. And last year we had Eze, playing like he did, and Hugill and Wells. Holloway had Seb Poulter, Sylla and Smith.
But fundamentally, which direction are we going? Since lockdown started what’s our record? What does that say about his motivation?
What does this season’s repeated formula - start well, play well, maybe score, maybe go in level or up; HT; oppo make a change, we get worse, they get better; we draw or lose - say about his in game management?
After 40 mins, did you truly think we’d win or mess it up? What does that say about your faith in his in game ability?
We keep showing we have the talent to outplay anyone in this league for large chunks of the game. So it cannot be a lack of talent.
What is changing?
Warburton doesn’t produce the young players. Ramsey, Hall, etc do. Eze thanked them not Warburton.
I’m not quite there with saying we should bin him off, but I do think it’s an entirely fair conversation now.
He needs to start addressing our obvious issues. If he can’t improve them soon, what evidence is there to say he ever will? And if improvement is the aim of the game - what else can it be - why persist with someone who can’t improve you?
And to an earlier question, yes, I’d love us to grind out an ugly, undeserved 2-1 away win under constant pressure. It would show we’re improving as a professional football side. |
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| And Bowles is onside, Swinburne has come rushing out of his goal , what can Bowles do here , onto the left foot no, on to the right foot
That’s there that’s two, and that’s Bowles
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| Bristol City Match Fred on 22:12 - Dec 1 with 1557 views | karl |
It was a very bad defeat as I was surprised by how poor BC were, make no mistake they got out of jail and I'm sure an honest away fan will say that.
BOS needs a good player with him to get the most from him, Eze of course did this, too many times him and Kakay were looking at each other waiting for the link ball from each other. I think he's not sure of himself and needs leading but unfortunately he's the senior player to many in that team and they're looking for him to help them, his reluctance to pass across goal for Dykes is a concern.
Has it come from the training ground where Dykes isn't putting away enough of them? Could be as it is obvious he's struggling to read some balls that have been played in for him, since the change to getting players up in support of him I think he's been very good outside the box but needing to get on the right wavelength with his team mates playing him into the box. I don't think Bonne is better than him as we don't seem to improve when the straight swap is made |  | | |
| Bristol City Match Fred on 22:14 - Dec 1 with 1520 views | Hunterhoop |
| Bristol City Match Fred on 21:57 - Dec 1 by dm97 |
The pattern within games is more concerning than results. Play well, dominate, get those xG numbers up, then self immolate and leave it with the gods whether we win lose or draw (Rotherham, Brentford, now tonight)
As said above, mixture of young players, stubborn management philosophy and general naivety. By no means warbs out but this whole routine is getting boring now |
Spot on. And there does have to be a firm deadline to fix it. It can’t go on endlessly. | | | |
| Bristol City Match Fred on 22:16 - Dec 1 with 1484 views | Ned_Kennedys |
No Plan B at all again, their manager saw what was causing them issues and dealt with it at HT with a substitution and a tactical change but Warburton couldn't or wouldn't respond accordingly.
Our recent 2nd half performances have been very worrying and it appears neither the management team or the players are able to respond when things start going against us.
BOS was dreadful in the 2nd half, just seemed to accept that he was marked out of the game and downed tools. [Post edited 1 Dec 2020 22:17]
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| Bristol City Match Fred on 22:17 - Dec 1 with 1451 views | Watford_Ranger |
| Bristol City Match Fred on 22:12 - Dec 1 by karl |
It was a very bad defeat as I was surprised by how poor BC were, make no mistake they got out of jail and I'm sure an honest away fan will say that.
BOS needs a good player with him to get the most from him, Eze of course did this, too many times him and Kakay were looking at each other waiting for the link ball from each other. I think he's not sure of himself and needs leading but unfortunately he's the senior player to many in that team and they're looking for him to help them, his reluctance to pass across goal for Dykes is a concern.
Has it come from the training ground where Dykes isn't putting away enough of them? Could be as it is obvious he's struggling to read some balls that have been played in for him, since the change to getting players up in support of him I think he's been very good outside the box but needing to get on the right wavelength with his team mates playing him into the box. I don't think Bonne is better than him as we don't seem to improve when the straight swap is made |
Think it’s fair to say Dykes lacks half a yard of pace for all the good stuff he does bring. Don’t think his movement is good enough yet so he can be easy to mark. Maybe we don’t get enough bodies up there as an option for the cross.
People will knock BOS for his final ball but to get himself into that position so often is exceptional for this level. So rare even against the rich sides we face a winger half as threatening. | | | |
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