| Is the lock down ending too soon? 04:59 - Jul 1 with 163448 views | Glyn1 |
That's basically it.
Thoughts please. [Post edited 1 Jul 2020 5:00]
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| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 19:30 - Aug 12 with 1801 views | Catullus |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 23:30 - Aug 11 by Kilkennyjack |
Tell me what our Welsh Parliament send you ?
Be very interested in that.
They send me next to nothing.
The future is emailing everything through like the banks have done. No paper statements needed. Sustainability friendly. Cheaper. Always availability. Young people expect it.
You nose it. |
It's WP policy to be bilingual. It's not what they send you but ewhat they force the local councils and others such as the DWP in Wales to send you and none of it will be sent by email because email is considered less secure than by post.
So my council tax bill, tv license etc will be on two lots of paper.
The bank doesn't email me anything, I get it through their secure app. |  |
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| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 19:38 - Aug 12 with 1796 views | exiledclaseboy |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 19:30 - Aug 12 by Catullus |
It's WP policy to be bilingual. It's not what they send you but ewhat they force the local councils and others such as the DWP in Wales to send you and none of it will be sent by email because email is considered less secure than by post.
So my council tax bill, tv license etc will be on two lots of paper.
The bank doesn't email me anything, I get it through their secure app. |
It’s the law. |  |
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| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 20:00 - Aug 12 with 1784 views | Catullus |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 19:38 - Aug 12 by exiledclaseboy |
It’s the law. |
Ok, the WP, or the assembly as they were then passed a law about being bilingual, same difference. Kilk doesn't sem to get it that there is no choice and that the Welsh government made it so.
On tht ECB, maybe you can enlighten me, can I opt out and get my counci tax etc by digital means?
Maybe Kilk would take more notice of you! | |
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| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 20:11 - Aug 12 with 1779 views | exiledclaseboy |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 20:00 - Aug 12 by Catullus |
Ok, the WP, or the assembly as they were then passed a law about being bilingual, same difference. Kilk doesn't sem to get it that there is no choice and that the Welsh government made it so.
On tht ECB, maybe you can enlighten me, can I opt out and get my counci tax etc by digital means?
Maybe Kilk would take more notice of you! |
I’ve no idea to be honest if you can have your council tax bill digitally. Would still be bilingual though.
Also, the initial Welsh Language Act, which obliges public authorities in Wales to treat Welsh ams English equally, predates the Senedd and devolution and was an act of the U.K. Parliament passed by a Tory government. | |
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| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 20:20 - Aug 12 with 1774 views | LeonWasGod |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 20:00 - Aug 12 by Catullus |
Ok, the WP, or the assembly as they were then passed a law about being bilingual, same difference. Kilk doesn't sem to get it that there is no choice and that the Welsh government made it so.
On tht ECB, maybe you can enlighten me, can I opt out and get my counci tax etc by digital means?
Maybe Kilk would take more notice of you! |
Welsh Government. |  | | |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 21:05 - Aug 12 with 1752 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 20:00 - Aug 12 by Catullus |
Ok, the WP, or the assembly as they were then passed a law about being bilingual, same difference. Kilk doesn't sem to get it that there is no choice and that the Welsh government made it so.
On tht ECB, maybe you can enlighten me, can I opt out and get my counci tax etc by digital means?
Maybe Kilk would take more notice of you! |
Everything will be digital soon.
Cheaper, greener and better.
Emails safer than Royal Mail these days - everyone has emails.
The young people will make it so.
So having two languages wont matter, if saving money is your real concern.
If it is scrap Trident and save £205 billion for schools, hospitals, transport and social care.
Oh yes and stop wasting money bombing arab people. Thank you. |  |
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| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 22:00 - Aug 12 with 1733 views | Catullus |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 21:05 - Aug 12 by Kilkennyjack |
Everything will be digital soon.
Cheaper, greener and better.
Emails safer than Royal Mail these days - everyone has emails.
The young people will make it so.
So having two languages wont matter, if saving money is your real concern.
If it is scrap Trident and save £205 billion for schools, hospitals, transport and social care.
Oh yes and stop wasting money bombing arab people. Thank you. |
Emails are safer? Then why do councils not use them for their tax bills? Why do the DWP not use them for everything? | |
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| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 23:49 - Aug 12 with 1720 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 22:00 - Aug 12 by Catullus |
Emails are safer? Then why do councils not use them for their tax bills? Why do the DWP not use them for everything? |
They are old business decisions still in use, just.....
All the new stuff assumes people have emails and mobile phones.
Cheaper and greener.
This is a one way road.
Posting stuff may never arrive, and people move. And it takes longer.
Emails arrive, people tend to keep them even if they move. Its instant.
Sorry if all this is news to you.
Especially if you are a postman. | |
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| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 00:31 - Aug 13 with 1714 views | chad |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 23:49 - Aug 12 by Kilkennyjack |
They are old business decisions still in use, just.....
All the new stuff assumes people have emails and mobile phones.
Cheaper and greener.
This is a one way road.
Posting stuff may never arrive, and people move. And it takes longer.
Emails arrive, people tend to keep them even if they move. Its instant.
Sorry if all this is news to you.
Especially if you are a postman. |
Not as resilient as fireproof paper though.
One mighty Electro magnetic pulse and you are goosed (other aves are available) |  | | |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 09:13 - Aug 13 with 1650 views | Scotia |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 16:01 - Aug 12 by exhmrc1 |
So the fact that the daily figure has come down from 391 to 8 in a day is meaningless. Nothing to do with the right policy being adopted. All to do with not having large cities and ethnic minorities. So we can assume the 1100+ who caught covid yesterday were nearly all in big cities of asian background. Cardiff is a large city 350,000 and an ethnicity rate of 20% which didnt have a single new case today. Very odd. Time to live in the real world. |
The real world? This part of the real world has gone in to the sharpest and deepest recession in history. That is the real world and something that Drakeford has exacerbated in this area. I don't think you realise that the worls extends beyond the Swansea Valley.
Of course a reduction is down to the lockdown, it was absolutely needed, especially as Wales has had the highest infection rate in the UK. It makes me wonder why Drakeford didn't lock down earlier? A safe move out of lockdown is also needed which Drakeford delayed for absolutley no clear reason. There will be further outbreaks - just look at Scotland and N. Ireland who started from a better place than us. We have to manage and live with them some form of guidance would be useful.
Pubs reopened on August 3rd - vague guidance as to how to socially distance customers was available from WG on August 7th. Gyms opened on August 10th, guidance as to how to make these safe is not yet available from WG.
I know of a gym in Swansea that is running at least 6 classes a day for a total of at least 300 people, using shared equipment, very heavy breathing, in an unventilated room of approx 30m x 15m. Does that sound safe to you? To me it sounds like a superspreader event waiting to happen - but nobody has told them otherwise. [Post edited 13 Aug 2020 9:30]
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| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 09:52 - Aug 13 with 1636 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 09:13 - Aug 13 by Scotia |
The real world? This part of the real world has gone in to the sharpest and deepest recession in history. That is the real world and something that Drakeford has exacerbated in this area. I don't think you realise that the worls extends beyond the Swansea Valley.
Of course a reduction is down to the lockdown, it was absolutely needed, especially as Wales has had the highest infection rate in the UK. It makes me wonder why Drakeford didn't lock down earlier? A safe move out of lockdown is also needed which Drakeford delayed for absolutley no clear reason. There will be further outbreaks - just look at Scotland and N. Ireland who started from a better place than us. We have to manage and live with them some form of guidance would be useful.
Pubs reopened on August 3rd - vague guidance as to how to socially distance customers was available from WG on August 7th. Gyms opened on August 10th, guidance as to how to make these safe is not yet available from WG.
I know of a gym in Swansea that is running at least 6 classes a day for a total of at least 300 people, using shared equipment, very heavy breathing, in an unventilated room of approx 30m x 15m. Does that sound safe to you? To me it sounds like a superspreader event waiting to happen - but nobody has told them otherwise. [Post edited 13 Aug 2020 9:30]
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Almost all the gyms in Swansea are uk wide franchises.
They will be starting up just the same as the gyms across the UK.
They know what they need to be doing.
So lets all hope they do it.
If you note the flag on the following you will see that its the Johnson govt that has mishandled this and not Professor Drakeford.
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| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 09:59 - Aug 13 with 1630 views | Scotia |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 09:52 - Aug 13 by Kilkennyjack |
Almost all the gyms in Swansea are uk wide franchises.
They will be starting up just the same as the gyms across the UK.
They know what they need to be doing.
So lets all hope they do it.
If you note the flag on the following you will see that its the Johnson govt that has mishandled this and not Professor Drakeford.
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No they aren't.
Simply gym. Llansamlet & Gorseinon. Swansea based franchise.
Mainway. Llansamlet. Non franchise.
Gym one. Llansamlet . Non franchise
Fitness studio. Gorseinon. Non franchise.
Bom King. Fforestfach. Non franchise.
Crossfit swansea. Llansamlet. Independent affiliate.
Crossfit sa1. St Thomas. Independent affiliate.
Crossfit velocity. Fforestfach. Independent affiliate.
Need I go on?
All doing their own thing in the absence of guidance.
Also that list of countries in recession omits Spain, I wonder why? I [Post edited 13 Aug 2020 12:08]
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| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 11:23 - Aug 13 with 1604 views | Catullus |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 23:49 - Aug 12 by Kilkennyjack |
They are old business decisions still in use, just.....
All the new stuff assumes people have emails and mobile phones.
Cheaper and greener.
This is a one way road.
Posting stuff may never arrive, and people move. And it takes longer.
Emails arrive, people tend to keep them even if they move. Its instant.
Sorry if all this is news to you.
Especially if you are a postman. |
Actually , from what my wife tells me the NHS won't use email for everything because it's not secure enough, something to do with data protection. They still consider snail mail safer.
When you move home you do a redirection, thta's simple.
As it goes we are fairly paperless. All my bnk dealings are done online, via the app. Most of what I buy is done online these days.
The only things I can't do entirely online are the governmental things. When I need a passport, my council tax, dealings with DWP and not that I have, but any dealings with the police too (speeding fines etc) so not really old business decisions but current practice. I find myself hoping that Covid will see a change here, just to make things easier.
The technology is great, as long as it's working ok. I've sent emails that allegedly haven't arrived. I make phone calls that won't connect, I send texts that have literally taken 3 days to arrive, a first class letter would have been quicker.
When I was young, 19/20, I had a discussion with my father. I believed the future would be much different, that many people wouldn't need to work full time because technology would make our lives easier. What we have seen is tech being used to make vast profits for the few while many of the rest of us get left with the so called menial jobs. Even the menial jobs, like a suermarket checkout are being replaced by tech.
Over 30 years later and much of what I thought would happen hasn't happened. Our lives aren't easier, all this tech has caused unforeseen problems.
The world could be a much better place but unfortunately the rich and powerful utilise all the tech they can to make themselves even richer and to keep the rest of us in our place, as they see it. | |
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| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 17:13 - Aug 13 with 1555 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 23:49 - Aug 12 by Kilkennyjack |
They are old business decisions still in use, just.....
All the new stuff assumes people have emails and mobile phones.
Cheaper and greener.
This is a one way road.
Posting stuff may never arrive, and people move. And it takes longer.
Emails arrive, people tend to keep them even if they move. Its instant.
Sorry if all this is news to you.
Especially if you are a postman. |
Too many spam and scam emails, which is why governments rely on proper letters and identification. | |
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| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 17:14 - Aug 13 with 1553 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 09:52 - Aug 13 by Kilkennyjack |
Almost all the gyms in Swansea are uk wide franchises.
They will be starting up just the same as the gyms across the UK.
They know what they need to be doing.
So lets all hope they do it.
If you note the flag on the following you will see that its the Johnson govt that has mishandled this and not Professor Drakeford.
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Still sadly deluded. | |
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| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 17:44 - Aug 13 with 1545 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 17:13 - Aug 13 by felixstowe_jack |
Too many spam and scam emails, which is why governments rely on proper letters and identification. |
Govt is moving away from snail mail as fast as they can.
You are a minority of 1 on this one.
Check out the www.gov.uk website, who would have thought ?
I understand that they have also invented the car, sorry to ruin things for you.
No doubt you will tell me That uk govt still has horses. | |
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| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 17:55 - Aug 13 with 1536 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 09:52 - Aug 13 by Kilkennyjack |
Almost all the gyms in Swansea are uk wide franchises.
They will be starting up just the same as the gyms across the UK.
They know what they need to be doing.
So lets all hope they do it.
If you note the flag on the following you will see that its the Johnson govt that has mishandled this and not Professor Drakeford.
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Pity you did not include 2020 Q1 GDP figures. Euro zone -3.8% UK -2.2%.
Each country entered lockdown at different times and some countries France Italy and Spain fell sharply in Q1 and continued in dropping in Q2. The UK only went into lockdown in late March and therefore most of the UK'S fall occurred in Q2 . Pretty meaningless to just pick one Quarter to try and prove your point especially as you need your GDP to fall in two consecutive quarters to be in a recession. The GDP figures for Q2 are only provisional based on a limited amount of data collected.
Q3 GDP figures will show an increase in GDP as lockdown started to ease , in fact the UK's GDP in June grew 8.7% and 2.4% May. | |
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| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 08:36 - Aug 14 with 1461 views | exhmrc1 |
The problem is that nobody yet knows what impact the opening of pubs has had. This wont be known until next week. Last weekend there were photos of people flooding into pubs in St Mary's Street in Cardiff. It will take 2 weeks before we find out whether this will have a similar impact here as it has in England. Hopefully not but time will tell. This is the reason for Drakeford not deciding yet.
It is interesting that Johnson hasnt brought this in yet in England. Whilst slagging off Drakeford perhaps you would like to explain why Johnson put changes on hold due to rising cases but has now decided to go ahead when the cases are at the highest since June. A very sensible policy. | | | |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 08:53 - Aug 14 with 1460 views | Scotia |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 08:36 - Aug 14 by exhmrc1 |
The problem is that nobody yet knows what impact the opening of pubs has had. This wont be known until next week. Last weekend there were photos of people flooding into pubs in St Mary's Street in Cardiff. It will take 2 weeks before we find out whether this will have a similar impact here as it has in England. Hopefully not but time will tell. This is the reason for Drakeford not deciding yet.
It is interesting that Johnson hasnt brought this in yet in England. Whilst slagging off Drakeford perhaps you would like to explain why Johnson put changes on hold due to rising cases but has now decided to go ahead when the cases are at the highest since June. A very sensible policy. |
Don't forget at the time of opening pubs here there was no guidance as to how to socially distance in pubs. Guidance wasn't provided until after pubs had opened and had already been set out - I assume following guidance for pubs in England. That guidance is still far more vague than the English guidance. This guidance needed to be provided by WG in advance of August 3rd.
There is still no guidance for gyms.
Most of the increase in England seems to be down to multi generational living and work places. Although obviously some from pubs too - that is inevitiable. Just look at Aberdeen.
I would like to think that Johnson is acting on advice regarding cases not in the public domain. CONFIRMED cases are at a higher level - but testing level is considerably increased and targeted at areas where there have been outbreaks. Despite this the proportion of positive tests are still at about 0.6% in England. There are less people than ever being admitted to and treated in hospital - indicating a controlled situation.
Also most recent ONS data, which is based on very few positive cases, indicates a stable level in the community and the Kings College Zoe study (big caveats with this) indicates a fall of about 600 symptomatic cases a day over the last 2 weeks.
It is quite possible that virus levels in the community are at a lower level.
Edit - I think this is quite sensible from WG as it was extended home visits that seemed to cause many of the problems in NW England. [Post edited 14 Aug 2020 8:56]
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| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 09:09 - Aug 14 with 1457 views | exhmrc1 |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 08:53 - Aug 14 by Scotia |
Don't forget at the time of opening pubs here there was no guidance as to how to socially distance in pubs. Guidance wasn't provided until after pubs had opened and had already been set out - I assume following guidance for pubs in England. That guidance is still far more vague than the English guidance. This guidance needed to be provided by WG in advance of August 3rd.
There is still no guidance for gyms.
Most of the increase in England seems to be down to multi generational living and work places. Although obviously some from pubs too - that is inevitiable. Just look at Aberdeen.
I would like to think that Johnson is acting on advice regarding cases not in the public domain. CONFIRMED cases are at a higher level - but testing level is considerably increased and targeted at areas where there have been outbreaks. Despite this the proportion of positive tests are still at about 0.6% in England. There are less people than ever being admitted to and treated in hospital - indicating a controlled situation.
Also most recent ONS data, which is based on very few positive cases, indicates a stable level in the community and the Kings College Zoe study (big caveats with this) indicates a fall of about 600 symptomatic cases a day over the last 2 weeks.
It is quite possible that virus levels in the community are at a lower level.
Edit - I think this is quite sensible from WG as it was extended home visits that seemed to cause many of the problems in NW England. [Post edited 14 Aug 2020 8:56]
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The latest on testing in England says it all
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/coronavirus/government-quietly-drops-1-3m-covid-t | | | |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 09:19 - Aug 14 with 1455 views | Scotia |
Well it says a little bit - but doesn't change what I said at all as it relates to tests back in April. | | | |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 09:43 - Aug 14 with 1441 views | Andy1300 |
https://metro.co.uk/2020/08/13/coronavirus-widespread-across-uk-earlier-previous
This may well be the case, my Disabled daughter was in hospital over new year with all the symptoms of covid, 36 year old, never before have I seen her so lethargic and sleepy in her wheelchair.
2 different doctors diagnosed different things at the time, luckily, she was on IV antibiotics and not a ventilator, that’s where a lot of doctors and experts believe a lot of patients were deteriorating. |  |
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| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 09:46 - Aug 14 with 1440 views | exhmrc1 |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 09:19 - Aug 14 by Scotia |
Well it says a little bit - but doesn't change what I said at all as it relates to tests back in April. |
The figures are proving unreliable. 1.3 million tests is a massive amount to be wrong. Over a third of the Welsh population.
The reality with mass testing is that it is done where there are a large number of cases. Wales have weekly tested nursing homes and mass tested the factories where there were mass outbreaks. England is mass testing the cities and boroughs where there are many cases.
There isnt any point in mass testing random people without reason. You could have tested everyone in Ceredigion but that doesnt mean you would find a huge number of cases.
It isnt feasible to test everyone in Wales or England for that matter. To do that you would need to test 58 million people and it would need to be on a daily basis as not having coronavirus one day doesnt mean you wont have it the next. | | | |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 10:55 - Aug 14 with 1420 views | Scotia |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 09:46 - Aug 14 by exhmrc1 |
The figures are proving unreliable. 1.3 million tests is a massive amount to be wrong. Over a third of the Welsh population.
The reality with mass testing is that it is done where there are a large number of cases. Wales have weekly tested nursing homes and mass tested the factories where there were mass outbreaks. England is mass testing the cities and boroughs where there are many cases.
There isnt any point in mass testing random people without reason. You could have tested everyone in Ceredigion but that doesnt mean you would find a huge number of cases.
It isnt feasible to test everyone in Wales or England for that matter. To do that you would need to test 58 million people and it would need to be on a daily basis as not having coronavirus one day doesnt mean you wont have it the next. |
It doesn't say the tests were wrong. It refers to the mail out tests and the stated testing capacity. It doesn't alter the accuracy of the tests or the number of recent tests.
I completely agree regarding testing random people - that could (and hopefully is) the reaason for finding more cases. | | | |
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