| New Labour leader 10:40 - Apr 4 with 13552 views | supahoopsa |
Who's your money on?
Sir Kier is the only credible candidate IMHO |  |
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| New Labour leader on 10:52 - Apr 4 with 5987 views | 2Thomas2Bowles |
It's him |  |
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| New Labour leader on 10:56 - Apr 4 with 5988 views | supahoopsa |
Massive, huge task ahead of him. Trying to unify such a split party. Depending on how the COVID situation, Boris is either going to be the next Winston Churchill, the people's hero or public enemy number one. If it's the former, then Labour's already slim chance of getting into power sometime soon will be obliterated | |
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| New Labour leader on 10:56 - Apr 4 with 5977 views | 2Thomas2Bowles |
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| New Labour leader on 11:08 - Apr 4 with 5954 views | plasmahoop |
I think he'll be the next pm. People will be hankering for change after years of crisis management. The problem for them will be working out how to govern with no money, as there definitely won't be any left by then |  | | |
| New Labour leader on 11:15 - Apr 4 with 5943 views | DavieQPR |
| New Labour leader on 11:08 - Apr 4 by plasmahoop |
I think he'll be the next pm. People will be hankering for change after years of crisis management. The problem for them will be working out how to govern with no money, as there definitely won't be any left by then |
Well the Conservatives had to do it after the last Labour Government and there were no mitigating circumstances. |  | | |
| New Labour leader on 11:17 - Apr 4 with 5937 views | francisbowles |
Should be an interesting combination! | | | |
| New Labour leader on 11:17 - Apr 4 with 5938 views | wood_hoop |
| New Labour leader on 10:56 - Apr 4 by supahoopsa |
Massive, huge task ahead of him. Trying to unify such a split party. Depending on how the COVID situation, Boris is either going to be the next Winston Churchill, the people's hero or public enemy number one. If it's the former, then Labour's already slim chance of getting into power sometime soon will be obliterated |
Churchill was always to the fore when PM, he asked and got what he wanted from all, Johnson hides behind various sokesmen/women when you want a high octane leader most.
I know he has had this horrible virus but you can bet he got all that was required to keep him alive, unlike so many poor souls, I wish him no ill but he really does need to show a Churchillian trait very soon. |  | | |
| New Labour leader on 11:29 - Apr 4 with 5904 views | plasmahoop |
| New Labour leader on 11:15 - Apr 4 by DavieQPR |
Well the Conservatives had to do it after the last Labour Government and there were no mitigating circumstances. |
Indeed, Labour have spent the last ten years moaning about cuts, and it could be their turn to make them | | | |
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| New Labour leader on 13:14 - Apr 4 with 5778 views | BrianMcCarthy |
I wish him well.
Britain works best when Labour and the Tories are both strong enough to keep each other on alert. Right now, both are sub-par. |  |
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| New Labour leader on 13:54 - Apr 4 with 5734 views | wood_hoop |
| New Labour leader on 13:14 - Apr 4 by BrianMcCarthy |
I wish him well.
Britain works best when Labour and the Tories are both strong enough to keep each other on alert. Right now, both are sub-par. |
Thank god Corbyn has finally gone, he can go to the back benches and bleat like a impoverished know it all student as he has done for many years.
Starmer maybe the best the LP can do but not a stupid man by any means, nothing to do with Corbyn being very left wing either but totally unrealistic in his aims, churlish idealistic claptap, Starmer will hopefully bring back a sense of pride that the party lost with Corbyn in charge.
So the Tories have had to take on a more left sided approach with certain things to try and solve the crap we are in, but you can bet those weathiest of Tory donors wont suffer at all,we urgently need someone in politics who will really listen to what the NHS is telling the goverment .....they are fcked.
All these imaginery figures that the health minister bleats about are a joke, get the frontline staff across the board tested and protected now, the Tories have completly fcucked up there handling of this calamity, we don't need 'baby steps' to recover we need massive great big strides.
I hope KS can work with the government in a good way, might just show the 'dummy manequins' presently leading our government just what leadership is about. | | | |
| New Labour leader on 13:58 - Apr 4 with 5716 views | stevec |
Corbyn - lost.
Rebecca Long Bailey - lost.
Sounds like the Momentum boys and girls are about to be shown the door.
It’s times like this we all need to rally round young Bazza. |  | | |
| New Labour leader on 14:12 - Apr 4 with 5706 views | stowmarketrange |
| New Labour leader on 11:15 - Apr 4 by DavieQPR |
Well the Conservatives had to do it after the last Labour Government and there were no mitigating circumstances. |
Apart from the world wide crash of 2008 you mean. |  | | |
| New Labour leader on 14:34 - Apr 4 with 5668 views | plasmahoop |
| New Labour leader on 14:12 - Apr 4 by stowmarketrange |
Apart from the world wide crash of 2008 you mean. |
Gordon brown was overspending in the good Times. Then we had nowhere to go when the financial crisis hit | | | |
| New Labour leader on 15:29 - Apr 4 with 5581 views | LazyFan |
| New Labour leader on 13:58 - Apr 4 by stevec |
Corbyn - lost.
Rebecca Long Bailey - lost.
Sounds like the Momentum boys and girls are about to be shown the door.
It’s times like this we all need to rally round young Bazza. |
I think the left has won a lot of victories.
The left has moved the word "socialism" despite the right-wing press, back into the acceptable mainstream, invigorated the party to appeal to the people to join up for around 600K members making it the largest in Europe and six times as large as the Tories.
This all BEFORE C19.
The left has also exposed right-wingers and now proven Tory-lites like Chuka as they are. Careerists who care only for more capitalism. So, when a party moves away from Capitalism, they then move away from the party and show their true allegiances. Which is working with other hardcore capitalists and being the losers that they always were.
The left continues to take on the Blairites in the party. Watson the so-called Fixer who could fix anything got well and truly fixed. And the anti-semitism which exists in the party has not been eradicated at all, but yet the Blairites are all quiet about it now. Seems it was all about attacking the left after all rather than making the party inclusive. This battle will come back, but the next time the left will be ready and the right won’t find it so easy to have a go under the guise of antisemitism. Playing the race card for the rights own purposes is now a known tactic and shows they really care little for the party members at all if it suits their purposes.
Brexit was an unwinnable issue for Corbyn, this was proven with how the Liberals got decimated despite being pro-remain. Which means that Tory voters who wanted Remain would not even vote for the Liberals let alone any Labour MP. In contrast, Northern Labour voters hated Remain more than the Tories. If Labour had moved towards Brexit then the Remain vote would have moved away from them to the Liberals. No Labour leader could win under such circumstances and this is also proven by Chuka a massive Remainer, proper Tory-lite, losing in Westminster against a weak Tory opponent. If Chuka with a Liberal policy of a Ref2, could not win in such a seat then no wonder Labour lost so many seats as the Liberals cannot even win the Tory vote under such circumstances.
Blairites like to conveniently claim that left-wing politics don't get votes and some moderate view is now needed. But the moderate Liberals are now in policy the most right-wing party in the country since the Tories have conceded Universal Basics Incomes UBI is a solution to a capitalist crisis. This won't save them. UBI does not work as capitalism remains. Socialism is really only just at start with Universal Basic Services UBS, but that is one stage too far for them. Talk of free food has since faded. No UBS here.
If Keir stays with the left-wing policies he said he would stay with, then he has a chance. The right will try and pull him back and then the left will savage him for betrayal. We shall what he does.
I suspect in a few years he will say "we have to change to win and sorry let's go return back to moneyism lite". At that point, the battle in the party will begin again. If you think Momenmrum and the majority which are socialists in the party will accept this as they did with Blair they will not.
Deselections attempts will continue to ramp up, starting with Lisa Nandy, she will be high on Momentums list. Chucka had to leave his seat as he was about to face a vote on it and he knew he would lose. None of the right winger MP's are safe because they don't represent the party members. Therefore democraticlly fair and sqaure they will be replaced. The PLP is not the Labour party as they will find out.
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| New Labour leader on 16:08 - Apr 4 with 5510 views | wood_hoop |
| New Labour leader on 15:29 - Apr 4 by LazyFan |
I think the left has won a lot of victories.
The left has moved the word "socialism" despite the right-wing press, back into the acceptable mainstream, invigorated the party to appeal to the people to join up for around 600K members making it the largest in Europe and six times as large as the Tories.
This all BEFORE C19.
The left has also exposed right-wingers and now proven Tory-lites like Chuka as they are. Careerists who care only for more capitalism. So, when a party moves away from Capitalism, they then move away from the party and show their true allegiances. Which is working with other hardcore capitalists and being the losers that they always were.
The left continues to take on the Blairites in the party. Watson the so-called Fixer who could fix anything got well and truly fixed. And the anti-semitism which exists in the party has not been eradicated at all, but yet the Blairites are all quiet about it now. Seems it was all about attacking the left after all rather than making the party inclusive. This battle will come back, but the next time the left will be ready and the right won’t find it so easy to have a go under the guise of antisemitism. Playing the race card for the rights own purposes is now a known tactic and shows they really care little for the party members at all if it suits their purposes.
Brexit was an unwinnable issue for Corbyn, this was proven with how the Liberals got decimated despite being pro-remain. Which means that Tory voters who wanted Remain would not even vote for the Liberals let alone any Labour MP. In contrast, Northern Labour voters hated Remain more than the Tories. If Labour had moved towards Brexit then the Remain vote would have moved away from them to the Liberals. No Labour leader could win under such circumstances and this is also proven by Chuka a massive Remainer, proper Tory-lite, losing in Westminster against a weak Tory opponent. If Chuka with a Liberal policy of a Ref2, could not win in such a seat then no wonder Labour lost so many seats as the Liberals cannot even win the Tory vote under such circumstances.
Blairites like to conveniently claim that left-wing politics don't get votes and some moderate view is now needed. But the moderate Liberals are now in policy the most right-wing party in the country since the Tories have conceded Universal Basics Incomes UBI is a solution to a capitalist crisis. This won't save them. UBI does not work as capitalism remains. Socialism is really only just at start with Universal Basic Services UBS, but that is one stage too far for them. Talk of free food has since faded. No UBS here.
If Keir stays with the left-wing policies he said he would stay with, then he has a chance. The right will try and pull him back and then the left will savage him for betrayal. We shall what he does.
I suspect in a few years he will say "we have to change to win and sorry let's go return back to moneyism lite". At that point, the battle in the party will begin again. If you think Momenmrum and the majority which are socialists in the party will accept this as they did with Blair they will not.
Deselections attempts will continue to ramp up, starting with Lisa Nandy, she will be high on Momentums list. Chucka had to leave his seat as he was about to face a vote on it and he knew he would lose. None of the right winger MP's are safe because they don't represent the party members. Therefore democraticlly fair and sqaure they will be replaced. The PLP is not the Labour party as they will find out.
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Just knew more hard left wing drivel being spouted once Jon Lansman and his motely crew didn't get another of there ilk in as leader.
Lansman couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery let alone win an election, got Corbyn in by sheer luck, funny how Corbyn got so many of the loony left to sign up, but once the chips were really laid down his prefered candidates not even manage to push to the second stage of the vote.
Then maybe 100,000 new members see a chink of light to rid the LP of the disease that has infested the party since Momentum reared its ugly head.
Hard left policies will never ever win an election, most of the UK is more centre ground but will lean towards the left if policies make sense.
Maybe the LP will get even more support now rid of Corbyn and hopefully his band of merry men/women as well, the LP has been turned on its head by uncaring egotistical knobheads that have not the faintest idea how a country should be run, Johson is a joke PM putting up another Corbynite would cause even more misery for so many, politics should always be for the many, not idological crap that has been tried and failed so so many times. | | | |
| New Labour leader on 16:51 - Apr 4 with 5445 views | slmrstid |
"The left has moved the word "socialism" despite the right-wing press, back into the acceptable mainstream, invigorated the party to appeal to the people to join up for around 600K members making it the largest in Europe and six times as large as the Tories."
And then got promptly wallopped by the Tories in December... 
Now, before I get jumped on for that, its worth saying I live in Leicester, and voted Labour because I actually like our city representatives, and the three city based seats are some of the safest Labour seats going, and even they saw massive swings to the Tories. AND the city voted to Remain!
Brexit played a factor in the election, but it was ultimately Labour's "socialist" policies that saw them get wallopped in December, not just the Brexit question.
So the evidence suggests Momentum aren't all that at all and on the periphery nutters.
I hope in long run Keir can get Labour into a proper electoral force again, being a one-party state is no good for anyone. |  | | |
| New Labour leader on 16:53 - Apr 4 with 5442 views | stowmarketrange |
| New Labour leader on 14:34 - Apr 4 by plasmahoop |
Gordon brown was overspending in the good Times. Then we had nowhere to go when the financial crisis hit |
The poster I was replying to said that there were no mitigating circumstances,which in the opinion of most people would be wrong.
Whether Brown overspent or not doesn’t alter the fact that there was a world wide recession in 2008 which might’ve played a large part in why it all came crashing down in 2010. | | | |
| New Labour leader on 16:58 - Apr 4 with 5427 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| New Labour leader on 16:51 - Apr 4 by slmrstid |
"The left has moved the word "socialism" despite the right-wing press, back into the acceptable mainstream, invigorated the party to appeal to the people to join up for around 600K members making it the largest in Europe and six times as large as the Tories."
And then got promptly wallopped by the Tories in December...
Now, before I get jumped on for that, its worth saying I live in Leicester, and voted Labour because I actually like our city representatives, and the three city based seats are some of the safest Labour seats going, and even they saw massive swings to the Tories. AND the city voted to Remain!
Brexit played a factor in the election, but it was ultimately Labour's "socialist" policies that saw them get wallopped in December, not just the Brexit question.
So the evidence suggests Momentum aren't all that at all and on the periphery nutters.
I hope in long run Keir can get Labour into a proper electoral force again, being a one-party state is no good for anyone. |
I agree with you that the socialist policies weren't popular enough to get Labour elected, but I do think it was a fair point that they got Labour hundreds of thousands of new members.
I think that in England, in the U.S. and even here in Ireland socialism is now acceotable again. As you say, though, the next step - and it's a gigantic one - is for someone to make socialism electable again. | |
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| New Labour leader on 16:59 - Apr 4 with 5424 views | ingeminate |
| New Labour leader on 14:34 - Apr 4 by plasmahoop |
Gordon brown was overspending in the good Times. Then we had nowhere to go when the financial crisis hit |
Inherited public services on its knees, invested to get them back on feet.
Tories = overspent.
Yeah they made mistakes, some whoppers, Iraq, Pfi etc, but overall much better than what came before - and after. |  |
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| New Labour leader on 17:31 - Apr 4 with 5361 views | paulparker |
| New Labour leader on 16:59 - Apr 4 by ingeminate |
Inherited public services on its knees, invested to get them back on feet.
Tories = overspent.
Yeah they made mistakes, some whoppers, Iraq, Pfi etc, but overall much better than what came before - and after. |
Iraq was not a “whopper “ it was a damn right lie resulting in hundreds of thousands dead
And poor old DR kelly
How Campbell & Blair sleep at night God only knows the pair of them should be publicity strung up |  |
| And Bowles is onside, Swinburne has come rushing out of his goal , what can Bowles do here , onto the left foot no, on to the right foot
That’s there that’s two, and that’s Bowles
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| New Labour leader on 17:34 - Apr 4 with 5353 views | plasmahoop |
| New Labour leader on 16:59 - Apr 4 by ingeminate |
Inherited public services on its knees, invested to get them back on feet.
Tories = overspent.
Yeah they made mistakes, some whoppers, Iraq, Pfi etc, but overall much better than what came before - and after. |
Inherited a decent economy in 97, spent loads mainly on creating public sector non jobs and paying lazy arsed brits more benefits whilst importing the Eastern bloc guys to do the lower end jobs. Taxed and spent and spent in the belief that he had abolished boom and bust. Sadly he hadn't. It was criminally negligent | | | |
| New Labour leader on 17:42 - Apr 4 with 5338 views | easthertsr |
| New Labour leader on 16:59 - Apr 4 by ingeminate |
Inherited public services on its knees, invested to get them back on feet.
Tories = overspent.
Yeah they made mistakes, some whoppers, Iraq, Pfi etc, but overall much better than what came before - and after. |
What is the present government doing at the moment if it isn't socialism? The free market is useless in a crisis. The magic money tree that the Tories have been telling us for years doesn't exist suddenly appears! A government makes choices, austerity was a choice and the NHS is paying for it now! | | | |
| New Labour leader on 17:55 - Apr 4 with 5306 views | PlanetHonneywood |
I’d totally forgotten there was a Labour leadership election on, it seems to have taken longer than the Yanks and their biannual circuses.
So, who won: Saunders or Biden? |  |
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| New Labour leader on 19:26 - Apr 4 with 5211 views | LazyFan |
| New Labour leader on 16:08 - Apr 4 by wood_hoop |
Just knew more hard left wing drivel being spouted once Jon Lansman and his motely crew didn't get another of there ilk in as leader.
Lansman couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery let alone win an election, got Corbyn in by sheer luck, funny how Corbyn got so many of the loony left to sign up, but once the chips were really laid down his prefered candidates not even manage to push to the second stage of the vote.
Then maybe 100,000 new members see a chink of light to rid the LP of the disease that has infested the party since Momentum reared its ugly head.
Hard left policies will never ever win an election, most of the UK is more centre ground but will lean towards the left if policies make sense.
Maybe the LP will get even more support now rid of Corbyn and hopefully his band of merry men/women as well, the LP has been turned on its head by uncaring egotistical knobheads that have not the faintest idea how a country should be run, Johson is a joke PM putting up another Corbynite would cause even more misery for so many, politics should always be for the many, not idological crap that has been tried and failed so so many times. |
I think it is right-wing drivel we would expect of the hard right on the Tory party, which seems to be so correct when it's against the left but not if it's against so-called moderates like that loser Chuka! At least Corbyn still has his seat.
Also, Corbyn would have for sure won the first GE against May if the moderates had not attacked him all the way through the campaign. Let us not forget they even challenged him for leader and this put not only the Tories in power, bu the DUP as well! Which of course misses the part about how Corbyn had victory over Owen Smith as a challenger when all the moderates came out of the woodwork. There was no luck there.
The party members now think Kier Stammer will defeat Boris. But the Democrats thought a moderate like Hilary would beat Trump and she failed and they think it again with Biden who is even worse. The party will learn the hard way that moderate politics are not acceptable by the electorate in the UK anymore.
Most of the UK just wants Brexit done whether we like it or not, that's a fact. And now we have seen capitalism fail even before C19 with austerity making it worse, not better so, more of the same from Kier won't do. Boris will tear Kier apart over Brexit again and again. Also on racism to deflect from the Tory racism.
The polices you say which are hard left like nationalisation Kier wants to keep. So, does that mean Kier is too left-wing for you? If he's going to continue the left polices, which he says he is, but I don't believe him, then it might as well be Corbyn as it matters not who the leader is to us on the left only that we get those policies enacted. But how you say the LP will get more votes now they have abandoned the loony left ones, yet publicly at the moment the policies are left-wing from Kier. So, how does this add up? Or do you accept he will be deceitful?
If you are seeing style over substance, then you may be disappointed in your moderate views if Kier stays on the left. I doubt it, but who knows. That's the problem with these broad church types, and let also come together and not have any anti-moderate views, because at some point, crunch time comes and they have to choose. Left or right no in-betweens.
There is no point in having a moderate which means a pro-capitalist leader of the Labour party and winning because we just get more capitalism. The Blairites proved that. So, no the country will move to the left as the right fails them again and again, no matter where the right comes from. It is moderate policies that don't work as they are just capitalist ones. And the young who will move towards middle age know this and they vote with the left.
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| New Labour leader on 19:33 - Apr 4 with 5198 views | LazyFan |
| New Labour leader on 16:59 - Apr 4 by ingeminate |
Inherited public services on its knees, invested to get them back on feet.
Tories = overspent.
Yeah they made mistakes, some whoppers, Iraq, Pfi etc, but overall much better than what came before - and after. |
So, all the same, capitalist policies as before then?
Not really reversing any of them?
Good job moderate capitalism works then and is sustainable. But of course, it isn't and was used to borrow from tomorrow against the workers of today.
You know what you should have said was, "but what about minimum wage? and more workers rights?". Thing is those were demanded by the Unions when Blair got into power. He only gave in as long as they never did strike it was a deal see.
That's often what the Blairites quote when really it was through gritted teeth he gave these small morsels from the table.
I saw no change after the Blairites were in power. Three elections and no change whatsoever. The Tories and big business still run rampant. No point winning if you fail to make real change. Worse you just wasted everyone's time and also allowed nonsense statements like "but we can only win if we become capitalist".
No wonder the public don't vote when its only a choice of the same thing.
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