| FFP - why only us? 08:14 - May 6 with 10497 views | Northolt_Rs |
Watching Birmingham and Derby avoid any real FFP impact - the first by getting a meaningless points deduction and the latter by “selling their ground to the owner” - why are we the only club to be actually crippled by FFP ? Doesn’t seem particularly fair to me.
We must have the worst lawyers in the world working for us.
I wonder if Hoos and co. are complaining to the EFL about our clearly unfair treatment compared to others? If not, why not? |  |
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| FFP - why only us? on 11:58 - May 8 with 997 views | CamberleyR |
| FFP - why only us? on 11:42 - May 8 by Ned_Kennedys |
The first letter 'i' should be an 'a' but the swear filter prevented it. |
If you're not on a mobile device, press the Alt Gr key down (next to the space bar) before pressing 'a' (or 'u' if you want to type fck or cnt) and it will put an accent over the letter which will make it bypass the filter. |  |
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| FFP - why only us? on 12:01 - May 8 with 987 views | loftboy |
| FFP - why only us? on 11:42 - May 8 by Ned_Kennedys |
The first letter 'i' should be an 'a' but the swear filter prevented it. |
On a mobile just hold the relevant letter down and you get all the choices of accents
Àáà . Etc. So wà nkluffin. Cûnt fûck etc slip through |  |
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| FFP - why only us? on 13:37 - May 8 with 917 views | QPR_John |
| FFP - why only us? on 08:33 - May 8 by CiderwithRsie |
Football does all the time, due to the ability of the League to impose its own penalties.E.g:
Insolvent football clubs always pay their "football debts" in full before other creditors, which is a blatant breach of insolvency law where secured creditors and preferential creditors should be paid first. It means that outstanding transfer fees to other clubs get paid before the St John's Ambulance or local traders getting put out of business by bad debt.
They can do it because if anyone insisted on the law being applied the club would be expelled from the league and therefore going out of business, whereas if they accept it the club can continue in the league, so continue as a business and so pay something instead of nothing.
So long as the only business a club can operate is football and the FA and leagues have a monopoly they have more power than the law. It'd take, I dunno, an Act of Parliament putting the FA under control of someone else to stop it. |
"Football does all the time, due to the ability of the League to impose its own penalties.E.g:"
No organisation can impose any rule in opposition to the laws of the land.
Take an extreme case as a basis for argument. I create a club where all members sign a form giving permission for anybody to assist said members to commit suicide. Does this get around current laws.
"They can do it because if anyone insisted on the law being applied the club would be expelled from the league and therefore going out of business, "
The football authorities could only do this is if it was implicit in any agreement between clubs and the league where the specified punishment would be implemented should a club take court action. Such a clause would make the agreement invalid and any court in the land would annul it and give judgement to the club. Should the football authorities then punish the club they would I assume be in contempt of court and a whole new can of worms would be opened. [Post edited 8 May 2019 13:41]
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| FFP - why only us? on 14:42 - May 8 with 855 views | kingo |
| FFP - why only us? on 13:37 - May 8 by QPR_John |
"Football does all the time, due to the ability of the League to impose its own penalties.E.g:"
No organisation can impose any rule in opposition to the laws of the land.
Take an extreme case as a basis for argument. I create a club where all members sign a form giving permission for anybody to assist said members to commit suicide. Does this get around current laws.
"They can do it because if anyone insisted on the law being applied the club would be expelled from the league and therefore going out of business, "
The football authorities could only do this is if it was implicit in any agreement between clubs and the league where the specified punishment would be implemented should a club take court action. Such a clause would make the agreement invalid and any court in the land would annul it and give judgement to the club. Should the football authorities then punish the club they would I assume be in contempt of court and a whole new can of worms would be opened. [Post edited 8 May 2019 13:41]
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In the real world, the problem is the amount of time that it would take to put cases through the Courts and to get a decision. While this is happening the EFL would not give any fixtures to a club breaking their rules and as such the club would not be able to operate. Our case never got to the Courts, it was dealt with by panels set up by the EFL, who deemed we were in breach of their rules and imposed their sanctions. Proven legal principles, including Lex Mitor were ignored by the panel when making their decision. As such, the law meant little as we had to exist as a football club and the organisation running it was the EFL. So it was a case of put up and shut up. |  |
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| FFP - why only us? on 18:21 - May 8 with 766 views | QPR_John |
| FFP - why only us? on 14:42 - May 8 by kingo |
In the real world, the problem is the amount of time that it would take to put cases through the Courts and to get a decision. While this is happening the EFL would not give any fixtures to a club breaking their rules and as such the club would not be able to operate. Our case never got to the Courts, it was dealt with by panels set up by the EFL, who deemed we were in breach of their rules and imposed their sanctions. Proven legal principles, including Lex Mitor were ignored by the panel when making their decision. As such, the law meant little as we had to exist as a football club and the organisation running it was the EFL. So it was a case of put up and shut up. |
Under what rule could the EFL not give us any fixtures we would still be members. Any rule that we may or may not have broken would have to implicity state that withdrawal of fixtures is a punishment. However there is no way the EFL could penalise us while waiting for a decision in the court. I would suggest any actions against a club while court procedures are ongoing would be considered contempt. Imagine they put us out of business then we won the court case they would be open to draconian penalties I doubt the EFL would take the chance.
I am no expert just looking at it using common sense. I don't understand why you think the EFL is above the law and can act with impunity | | | |
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