| Centre back partnership? on 12:29 - Jan 8 with 902 views | Trundle10 |
| Centre back partnership? on 12:01 - Jan 7 by WinchWenJack |
So how many of the 28 league goals we've conceded have actually been Chicos fault. Our -2 gd is only bettered by 9 teams. Seems that Chico is the January 'player to blame' Or are we expecting all players to always play at 100%, like they do at every other club. |
None, all Tremmels fault :-) |  | |  |
| Centre back partnership? on 12:58 - Jan 8 with 876 views | yescomeon |
Been saying for a while now that its Amat for me. We need to be looking for a replacement for Chico as a first choice CB in the summer, happy to have him as back up tho. |  |
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| Centre back partnership? on 21:24 - Jan 8 with 828 views | curleigh |
| Centre back partnership? on 18:31 - Jan 6 by QuakerJack |
Yeah but wasn't that Michael Owen? Him who was saying that canas injury was a scratch?
Chico had a good game but clearly at fault for the goal.
I'd like to see Ben or Taylor play right back in rangel's absence. Tiendalli is shocking |
agree good shout |  | | |
| Centre back partnership? on 21:26 - Jan 8 with 826 views | Shaky |
| Centre back partnership? on 21:24 - Jan 8 by curleigh |
agree good shout |
At least Tiendalli has been getting forward and making meaningful contributions in attack recently. |  |
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| Centre back partnership? on 01:34 - Jan 9 with 798 views | _Kieran |
| Centre back partnership? on 17:11 - Jan 6 by TheFranchise |
I'd put most of the blame for yesterdays goal on the person stopping the cross. |
Damn right and he did the exact same thing for the duration of the game lucky Buttner played like a minge for the rest of it, he seems scared to commit to a challenge because of his lack of pace so he'd rather give his man all day to put a cross in. Compare that with Taylor he didn't give his opposite man room to breathe and the 1 time Januzaj done him he got back and put it out for a corner.
At least Chico made up for his lesser mistake (Than Tiendalli) by playing heroically for the rest of the game. |  |
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| Centre back partnership? on 08:46 - Jan 9 with 781 views | Odgaard |
Well, Amat is good and Ash is good! but both players need to be better to link up with the midfield. Chico need to be better to place himself right at times!
Chico setup the first goal against Man U, and if you look closely Chico is the best player to play through the midfield up to Jonjo/JDG/Bony. That is so crucial for our attacking.. Without Chico, i think we will score less goals... |  | | |
| Centre back partnership? on 09:10 - Jan 9 with 770 views | JJJack |
| Centre back partnership? on 08:46 - Jan 9 by Odgaard |
Well, Amat is good and Ash is good! but both players need to be better to link up with the midfield. Chico need to be better to place himself right at times!
Chico setup the first goal against Man U, and if you look closely Chico is the best player to play through the midfield up to Jonjo/JDG/Bony. That is so crucial for our attacking.. Without Chico, i think we will score less goals... |
You're about the 1st person on here making any sense. Frankly this thread is embarrassing and just goes to show how little most of our fans know about defending. Honestly, in terms of analysis of the Utd game or more specifically, their goal, there isn't half some tripe on here. One bloke even says Buttner "was like a minge" when its been widely considered he was their best player. Another says "Taylor was out of position 90% of the time." Jesus Fecking Christ, where do we get these people from!?
Not one person has mentioned that Ash didn't play and we put in our best defensive performance (arguably) of the season. Hmmm, funny that. Ash has had a poor season by his standards and (to me) looks leggy and playing within himself. Chico makes mistakes but more often than not our goals are simply NOT down to individual errors but split section decision-making involving 2, 3 or 4, even more players. I just don't get the mentality of "I know, lets find who's at fault for this goal or that". When you play football, you just don't think/act like that, otherwise you'd end up fighting each other all bloody match.
That cross FWIW....if Chico HAD tried to clear that it most likely would have ended up in the back of the net. If anyone was more to blame then it was Tremmel because from that range he could be diving at that and reaching it. I keep saying this but NEITHER of our keepers is up to scratch and IMO they are perhaps the worst (first-choice) keepers in the league on this season's form. They make hardly any saves but more troublingly they do not come and command their box. Our defensive record would be miles better if we had an average-good EPL keeper like Jaaskalineen, Begovic, Guzan or Krul. But even then, very few goals are down to their individual errors . And even more often , this season especially, we have had some absolute pearlers scored against us most of which any defence would struggle to stop(Man U home, Citeh home, Arsenal home, Citeh away etc etc.) |  | | |
| Centre back partnership? on 10:18 - Jan 9 with 745 views | Odgaard |
| Centre back partnership? on 09:10 - Jan 9 by JJJack |
You're about the 1st person on here making any sense. Frankly this thread is embarrassing and just goes to show how little most of our fans know about defending. Honestly, in terms of analysis of the Utd game or more specifically, their goal, there isn't half some tripe on here. One bloke even says Buttner "was like a minge" when its been widely considered he was their best player. Another says "Taylor was out of position 90% of the time." Jesus Fecking Christ, where do we get these people from!?
Not one person has mentioned that Ash didn't play and we put in our best defensive performance (arguably) of the season. Hmmm, funny that. Ash has had a poor season by his standards and (to me) looks leggy and playing within himself. Chico makes mistakes but more often than not our goals are simply NOT down to individual errors but split section decision-making involving 2, 3 or 4, even more players. I just don't get the mentality of "I know, lets find who's at fault for this goal or that". When you play football, you just don't think/act like that, otherwise you'd end up fighting each other all bloody match.
That cross FWIW....if Chico HAD tried to clear that it most likely would have ended up in the back of the net. If anyone was more to blame then it was Tremmel because from that range he could be diving at that and reaching it. I keep saying this but NEITHER of our keepers is up to scratch and IMO they are perhaps the worst (first-choice) keepers in the league on this season's form. They make hardly any saves but more troublingly they do not come and command their box. Our defensive record would be miles better if we had an average-good EPL keeper like Jaaskalineen, Begovic, Guzan or Krul. But even then, very few goals are down to their individual errors . And even more often , this season especially, we have had some absolute pearlers scored against us most of which any defence would struggle to stop(Man U home, Citeh home, Arsenal home, Citeh away etc etc.) |
agree
If you see when Ash and CHico are playing together, the opponent want ASH to get the ball, because hes not a great footballer, just a defender, and he struggles to get rid of the ball to a team mate - therefore opponent mark CHICO out when we got the ball! (see how they start the pressure)
I think Tremmel have been awful, should have done much better against City. Lately every chances the opponent have, has ended up in a goal. That is frustrating. The buttner to Hernandez goal, is no ones fault, its just perfect timing and a Great cross! [Post edited 9 Jan 2014 10:19]
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| Centre back partnership? on 11:12 - Jan 9 with 724 views | Senhin |
Are people really suggesting we drop Chico...? 0_o |  |
| Did you see that ludicrous display last night? |
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| Centre back partnership? on 11:29 - Jan 9 with 703 views | shandyjack |
| Centre back partnership? on 09:10 - Jan 9 by JJJack |
You're about the 1st person on here making any sense. Frankly this thread is embarrassing and just goes to show how little most of our fans know about defending. Honestly, in terms of analysis of the Utd game or more specifically, their goal, there isn't half some tripe on here. One bloke even says Buttner "was like a minge" when its been widely considered he was their best player. Another says "Taylor was out of position 90% of the time." Jesus Fecking Christ, where do we get these people from!?
Not one person has mentioned that Ash didn't play and we put in our best defensive performance (arguably) of the season. Hmmm, funny that. Ash has had a poor season by his standards and (to me) looks leggy and playing within himself. Chico makes mistakes but more often than not our goals are simply NOT down to individual errors but split section decision-making involving 2, 3 or 4, even more players. I just don't get the mentality of "I know, lets find who's at fault for this goal or that". When you play football, you just don't think/act like that, otherwise you'd end up fighting each other all bloody match.
That cross FWIW....if Chico HAD tried to clear that it most likely would have ended up in the back of the net. If anyone was more to blame then it was Tremmel because from that range he could be diving at that and reaching it. I keep saying this but NEITHER of our keepers is up to scratch and IMO they are perhaps the worst (first-choice) keepers in the league on this season's form. They make hardly any saves but more troublingly they do not come and command their box. Our defensive record would be miles better if we had an average-good EPL keeper like Jaaskalineen, Begovic, Guzan or Krul. But even then, very few goals are down to their individual errors . And even more often , this season especially, we have had some absolute pearlers scored against us most of which any defence would struggle to stop(Man U home, Citeh home, Arsenal home, Citeh away etc etc.) |
you write a big article trying to sound like the know all of defensive tactics then make a stupid comment that ourgoalkeepers are not average to good PL keepers. Vorm is the Dutch number 2 and will be going to the World Cup? Apart from Begovic he is better than the other keepers you have mentioned when fully fit |  |
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| Centre back partnership? on 11:53 - Jan 9 with 689 views | Odgaard |
| Centre back partnership? on 11:12 - Jan 9 by Senhin |
Are people really suggesting we drop Chico...? 0_o |
Some are upset of his performance, but i think he might be the best overall defender we have :) | | | |
| Centre back partnership? on 14:39 - Jan 9 with 668 views | JJJack |
| Centre back partnership? on 11:29 - Jan 9 by shandyjack |
you write a big article trying to sound like the know all of defensive tactics then make a stupid comment that ourgoalkeepers are not average to good PL keepers. Vorm is the Dutch number 2 and will be going to the World Cup? Apart from Begovic he is better than the other keepers you have mentioned when fully fit |
I deliberately made the point that "on this season's form". Vorm was dropped from the last Dutch squad and may well NOT be going to Rio. I hope he does as it will prove he's back in form for us. Neitehr of us can prove which keepers are better. Maybe this proves a point?
Look at the shots faced versus goals conceded.
http://www.thescore.com/epl/goalie_splits/clean_sheets?page=2 | | | |
| Centre back partnership? on 17:04 - Jan 9 with 643 views | Drizzy |
| Centre back partnership? on 11:12 - Jan 9 by Senhin |
Are people really suggesting we drop Chico...? 0_o |
Yep. That tends to happen when someone competing for your position is playing better than you. |  |
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| Centre back partnership? on 11:47 - Jan 10 with 609 views | JackSwanTV |
Chico reminds me of David Luiz. Quality player but where the hell can you play him? He makes too many stupid mistakes for centre back. Someone says about his passing ability, he gives one ridiculously dangerous pass away every game. Great ability but not the brain to play CB. Really like the look of Amat. | |
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