| US Election 09:58 - Nov 6 with 7624 views | derbyhoop |
As a change from all the gloom and doom, the world's biggest economy goes to the polls today.
Any interest?
Any predictions?
It's going to be close but I believe Obama will keep his job. Audacity of Hope seems to have dwindled considerably. |  |
| "Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the Earth all one's lifetime." (Mark Twain)
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| US Election on 14:35 - Nov 6 with 716 views | klr |
| US Election on 13:34 - Nov 6 by Hunterhoop |
This.
Romney has been demonsied unfairly in the British press.
IDS was right in saying the coverage of him has been unfair.
HOWEVER, how any rational thinking British citizen can think Romney will be better for the world (and America) than Obama is frankly odd.
1) His jobs policy is flawed. He'll create jobs but reduce the state??? Err...so the private sector will take up the slack? Maybe if you rowed back from rampant, laissez faire capitalism and enforced legislation but in a free market??
2) His economic policy is flawed. Reducing the national deficit whilst reducing tax. Explain that one, Mitt! Oh, wait, you haven't and you won't....because you can't.
3) Significantly increase defence spending...again whilst reducing the deficit...where's the money coming from?!
He simply hasn't explained the maths and have been widely derided by most economists.
In reality he won't actually do all this because he won't be able to, but he's basing his campaign of mistruths and lies over 'what he will do'.
On top of all of this, there's his pro-life stance, which any rational, well balanced individual should be against.
Then there's his hawkish approach to the Middle East. Well that worked under Bush, didn't it chaps!
Then there's his opposition to "Obamacara" which is actually based loosely on a bill he himself introduced when running Massachusetts.
Look, there has been a media bias against him here and in Europe. Heck, I know of a couple of people who are quite right wing and would probably vote for him if they actually knew what his policies are, but won't because they have accepted this view that he's a moron.
Nevertheless, his policy his based on promises he simply can't keep. The maths doesn't work. And his economically insular perspective coupled with his hawkish foreign policy WOULD be a disaster for the rest of the world.
Now all of that isn't me being a sold a story by the media. It's called rational analysis. |
Thank God the American Elections are being voted for by the American people & not the staff of The BBC / Guardian newspaper.
Its actually grotesque seeing the rich North London types that inhabit these organisations sneering down their noses at these "backward" Middle American "rednecks" that are too ignorant & downright stupid to work out what is best for their country.
I've lost count of the amount of times I've heard British commentators openly taking the P!ss & belittling Romney's Mormon faith & by the same token when some evil right Tea Party ( Nazi / KKK ) type comes out with some of the Obama is a Muslim stuff, its automatically the gravest, most sinister slur in History.
I find it abominable, purely based on the full on media bias in this country, I would vote for Romney, the candidate of the little ( stupid ) people. |  | | |
| US Election on 14:39 - Nov 6 with 711 views | klr |
| US Election on 13:34 - Nov 6 by Hunterhoop |
This.
Romney has been demonsied unfairly in the British press.
IDS was right in saying the coverage of him has been unfair.
HOWEVER, how any rational thinking British citizen can think Romney will be better for the world (and America) than Obama is frankly odd.
1) His jobs policy is flawed. He'll create jobs but reduce the state??? Err...so the private sector will take up the slack? Maybe if you rowed back from rampant, laissez faire capitalism and enforced legislation but in a free market??
2) His economic policy is flawed. Reducing the national deficit whilst reducing tax. Explain that one, Mitt! Oh, wait, you haven't and you won't....because you can't.
3) Significantly increase defence spending...again whilst reducing the deficit...where's the money coming from?!
He simply hasn't explained the maths and have been widely derided by most economists.
In reality he won't actually do all this because he won't be able to, but he's basing his campaign of mistruths and lies over 'what he will do'.
On top of all of this, there's his pro-life stance, which any rational, well balanced individual should be against.
Then there's his hawkish approach to the Middle East. Well that worked under Bush, didn't it chaps!
Then there's his opposition to "Obamacara" which is actually based loosely on a bill he himself introduced when running Massachusetts.
Look, there has been a media bias against him here and in Europe. Heck, I know of a couple of people who are quite right wing and would probably vote for him if they actually knew what his policies are, but won't because they have accepted this view that he's a moron.
Nevertheless, his policy his based on promises he simply can't keep. The maths doesn't work. And his economically insular perspective coupled with his hawkish foreign policy WOULD be a disaster for the rest of the world.
Now all of that isn't me being a sold a story by the media. It's called rational analysis. |
Well that's a good post.
I do hope that you know that all of Obama's promises are complete b ollocks as well though. | | | |
| US Election on 14:42 - Nov 6 with 708 views | TacticalR |
| US Election on 14:35 - Nov 6 by klr |
Thank God the American Elections are being voted for by the American people & not the staff of The BBC / Guardian newspaper.
Its actually grotesque seeing the rich North London types that inhabit these organisations sneering down their noses at these "backward" Middle American "rednecks" that are too ignorant & downright stupid to work out what is best for their country.
I've lost count of the amount of times I've heard British commentators openly taking the P!ss & belittling Romney's Mormon faith & by the same token when some evil right Tea Party ( Nazi / KKK ) type comes out with some of the Obama is a Muslim stuff, its automatically the gravest, most sinister slur in History.
I find it abominable, purely based on the full on media bias in this country, I would vote for Romney, the candidate of the little ( stupid ) people. |
The thing that's funny is that the super-rich in America have to hide behind the 'small man' rhetoric of groups of like the Tea Party and pretend they are for the 'little people'. |  |
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| US Election on 14:43 - Nov 6 with 707 views | TacticalR |
@Hunterhoop
'Then there's his opposition to "Obamacara" which is actually based loosely on a bill he himself introduced when running Massachusetts.'
What's "Obamacara"? Is that like the Macarena? Or is that something different? | |
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| US Election on 14:45 - Nov 6 with 702 views | klr |
| US Election on 14:42 - Nov 6 by TacticalR |
The thing that's funny is that the super-rich in America have to hide behind the 'small man' rhetoric of groups of like the Tea Party and pretend they are for the 'little people'. |
Well that is a fair comment, I dont disagree with you. | | | |
| US Election on 14:46 - Nov 6 with 698 views | Hunterhoop |
| US Election on 14:35 - Nov 6 by klr |
Thank God the American Elections are being voted for by the American people & not the staff of The BBC / Guardian newspaper.
Its actually grotesque seeing the rich North London types that inhabit these organisations sneering down their noses at these "backward" Middle American "rednecks" that are too ignorant & downright stupid to work out what is best for their country.
I've lost count of the amount of times I've heard British commentators openly taking the P!ss & belittling Romney's Mormon faith & by the same token when some evil right Tea Party ( Nazi / KKK ) type comes out with some of the Obama is a Muslim stuff, its automatically the gravest, most sinister slur in History.
I find it abominable, purely based on the full on media bias in this country, I would vote for Romney, the candidate of the little ( stupid ) people. |
Heh?
How about responding to or discussing what I actually said, rather than what you want to make out I (or others) have said??
My post was directed at those outside of the US - I made that quite clear.
I do not work in the media.
I'm not a North London type.
I never mentioned '"backward" Middle American "rednecks"'.
I didn't belittle Romney's Mormon faith.
I didn't mention the Tea Party.
I didn't mention "the little (stupid) people".
What I did do was discuss just policies. That was all. Pure politics. If you want to discuss those, go for it. |  | | |
| US Election on 14:47 - Nov 6 with 695 views | Hunterhoop |
| US Election on 14:43 - Nov 6 by TacticalR |
@Hunterhoop
'Then there's his opposition to "Obamacara" which is actually based loosely on a bill he himself introduced when running Massachusetts.'
What's "Obamacara"? Is that like the Macarena? Or is that something different? |
hehe.
Yeah, it's done in full islamic dress and involves making money grabbing gestures. | | | |
| US Election on 14:49 - Nov 6 with 689 views | TacticalR |
Aren't Christianity and Islam both Middle-Eastern death cults? [Post edited 1 Jan 1970 1:00]
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| US Election on 14:51 - Nov 6 with 683 views | BklynRanger |
klr, you've got so much to say on this subject but your only points seem to be that the media is biased and you like Romney because you're right of center...
It's true that the BBC etc certainly seems biased towards Obama, and probably most of the British media in general, but its not really a critical point in estimating the election.
The highest rated news channel in the US is Fox News, which is blatantly and forcefully right wing (far right at times). So don't worry about the media, your man Romney has had more than his fair share of support. Also Romney raised more campaign funds and has been more than able to hold his own with wall to wall attack adds in swing states for a few weeks now.
The worrying thing in terms of the election outcome is that a few states, including Ohio, have automatic recount laws if the vote is very close. And that recount can't happen until.........the fcuking 17th of November!
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| US Election on 14:58 - Nov 6 with 671 views | TheBlob |
| US Election on 14:49 - Nov 6 by TacticalR |
Aren't Christianity and Islam both Middle-Eastern death cults? [Post edited 1 Jan 1970 1:00]
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Ultimately yes.
And I got my bollocks chewed off for suggesting this and the fact that fundamentalist religions all but rule the Earth.
The whispers from behind the throne will ensure western participation in an Iran conflict,no matter what political hue the eventual victor in this election. |  |
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| US Election on 15:04 - Nov 6 with 661 views | Jamie |
| US Election on 14:46 - Nov 6 by Hunterhoop |
Heh?
How about responding to or discussing what I actually said, rather than what you want to make out I (or others) have said??
My post was directed at those outside of the US - I made that quite clear.
I do not work in the media.
I'm not a North London type.
I never mentioned '"backward" Middle American "rednecks"'.
I didn't belittle Romney's Mormon faith.
I didn't mention the Tea Party.
I didn't mention "the little (stupid) people".
What I did do was discuss just policies. That was all. Pure politics. If you want to discuss those, go for it. |
Don't hold your breath, I'm still waiting for him to reply to my points on Romney from page 1:
"I'm quite capable of deducing that a man whose top campaign contributors are the US financial institutions, believes Russia is the biggest threat to the US, wants to do away with FEMA, get rid of Planned Parenthood and embraced the Blunt-Rubio & "personhood" amendments whilst promising an instant 12 million jobs in return for your vote would be a catastrophe for the country."
The above is before you get to his claim that fires on planes aren't a problem because you can just open a window....
It's not because he's a Mormon, its because he's a moron.
ATAF. | | | |
| US Election on 15:09 - Nov 6 with 655 views | TacticalR |
All for a bit of polygamy myself. | |
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| US Election on 15:13 - Nov 6 with 644 views | TacticalR |
| US Election on 14:58 - Nov 6 by TheBlob |
Ultimately yes.
And I got my bollocks chewed off for suggesting this and the fact that fundamentalist religions all but rule the Earth.
The whispers from behind the throne will ensure western participation in an Iran conflict,no matter what political hue the eventual victor in this election. |
But they all believe in nobodaddy, to use William Blake's term.
http://www.poemhunter.com/poem/to-nobodaddy/ | |
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| US Election on 15:26 - Nov 6 with 628 views | Monahoop |
Obama for me even though he likes Springsteen and I don't.
Romney = Bush mk II
Would you want your country run by someone called Mitt?
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| US Election on 15:29 - Nov 6 with 623 views | derbyhoop |
One of the things I find fascinating about the USA is how parochial a country it is. I've done some work in the States and read the papers over there. In many cases they barely report issues from outside their own state, let alone World issues. As a result, the election to the biggest job in the World, where an international outlook is surely vital, is, by and large, decided by domestic issues.
The people of the Eastern seaboard states tend to have more interaction with Europe, the 3 Western States tend to have more interaction with the Pacific Rim countries. Whereas in the mid West, it seems more inward looking. This translates into polarised voting patterns, with the East and the West voting Democrat and the Middle voting Republican.
It's hardly surprising, then, that if there's any bias at all (I'm not convinced) then Obama will be favoured by UK and European media. | |
| "Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the Earth all one's lifetime." (Mark Twain)
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| US Election on 15:29 - Nov 6 with 623 views | derbyhoop |
One of the things I find fascinating about the USA is how parochial a country it is. I've done some work in the States and read the papers over there. In many cases they barely report issues from outside their own state, let alone World issues. As a result, the election to the biggest job in the World, where an international outlook is surely vital, is, by and large, decided by domestic issues.
The people of the Eastern seaboard states tend to have more interaction with Europe, the 3 Western States tend to have more interaction with the Pacific Rim countries. Whereas in the mid West, it seems more inward looking. This translates into polarised voting patterns, with the East and the West voting Democrat and the Middle voting Republican.
It's hardly surprising, then, that if there's any bias at all (I'm not convinced) then Obama will be favoured by UK and European media. | |
| "Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the Earth all one's lifetime." (Mark Twain)
Find me on twitter @derbyhoop and now on Bluesky |
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| US Election on 15:35 - Nov 6 with 613 views | klr |
| US Election on 15:04 - Nov 6 by Jamie |
Don't hold your breath, I'm still waiting for him to reply to my points on Romney from page 1:
"I'm quite capable of deducing that a man whose top campaign contributors are the US financial institutions, believes Russia is the biggest threat to the US, wants to do away with FEMA, get rid of Planned Parenthood and embraced the Blunt-Rubio & "personhood" amendments whilst promising an instant 12 million jobs in return for your vote would be a catastrophe for the country."
The above is before you get to his claim that fires on planes aren't a problem because you can just open a window....
It's not because he's a Mormon, its because he's a moron.
ATAF. |
Listen, if I'm being completely 100% honest I dont know enough about either candidate to have strong opinions about them.
As someone who is to the right, I dont see myself voting for the Leftist candidate, although granted Leftist in America & Leftist in Britain are two different things, Obama is probably slightly more right of the centre than our own pathetic so called "Conservative" Prime Minister David Cameron.
My point & main observation about this whole process is this which I will repeat again; I have never seen a negative TV portrayal of President Obama on British TV
By the same token I have never seen a positive TV portrayal of Mitt Romney on British TV.
I'll also repeat there is a programme that hasnt been broadcast yet, its called "Free Speech" ( lol ) its on BBC 3 at 8PM tonight about The US elections.........
Obama = Good
Romney = Bad / Evil | | | |
| US Election on 15:39 - Nov 6 with 605 views | TacticalR |
| US Election on 15:29 - Nov 6 by derbyhoop |
One of the things I find fascinating about the USA is how parochial a country it is. I've done some work in the States and read the papers over there. In many cases they barely report issues from outside their own state, let alone World issues. As a result, the election to the biggest job in the World, where an international outlook is surely vital, is, by and large, decided by domestic issues.
The people of the Eastern seaboard states tend to have more interaction with Europe, the 3 Western States tend to have more interaction with the Pacific Rim countries. Whereas in the mid West, it seems more inward looking. This translates into polarised voting patterns, with the East and the West voting Democrat and the Middle voting Republican.
It's hardly surprising, then, that if there's any bias at all (I'm not convinced) then Obama will be favoured by UK and European media. |
That's an interesting mismatch. The mindset of the American people may be national, but the capitalist economy is international, and so is America's role.
Another interesting mismatch over the role of small business. Here is how C. Wright Mills described it 60 years ago:
"Over the last hundred years, the United States has been transformed from a nation of small capitalists into a nation of hired employees; but the ideology suitable for the nation of small capitalists persists, as if that small-propertied world were still a going concern. It has become the grab-bag of defenders and apologists, and so little is it challenged that in the minds of many it seems the very latest model of reality"
(White Collar: The American Middle Classes, 1951, p. 34). | |
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| US Election on 15:40 - Nov 6 with 602 views | kensalriser |
All I need to know about Romney is that he fervently believes in lucky pants.
People who hold strong convictions without any supporting evidence shouldn't be in positions of great responsibility and power becasue they lack the ability to make rational decisions. |  |
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| US Election on 15:42 - Nov 6 with 597 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| US Election on 14:24 - Nov 6 by klr |
"less chance of a war" under Obama ?! lol
The war is happening whoever ends up in The White House. |
If you're talking about Iran, then sadly you're probably right, though the scale would mostly likely be bigger under a Republican President if history is anything to go by. I'm not sure whether Romney has as many links to the Arms Companies as previous Republican leaders but Republican Senators and Congressmen are his paymasters and they tend to be funded by the Arms Companies more so then the Democrats do (the Democrats have their own idealogical issues with the sources of their funding, I'm sure).
If you're talking about anywhere but Iran then Romney is far more likely, I believe, to start a war than Obama.
So more chance of war under Romney, and more chance of a bigger war? Ya, I think so. But I'd prefer not to find out.
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| US Election on 15:53 - Nov 6 with 824 views | BklynRanger |
| US Election on 15:39 - Nov 6 by TacticalR |
That's an interesting mismatch. The mindset of the American people may be national, but the capitalist economy is international, and so is America's role.
Another interesting mismatch over the role of small business. Here is how C. Wright Mills described it 60 years ago:
"Over the last hundred years, the United States has been transformed from a nation of small capitalists into a nation of hired employees; but the ideology suitable for the nation of small capitalists persists, as if that small-propertied world were still a going concern. It has become the grab-bag of defenders and apologists, and so little is it challenged that in the minds of many it seems the very latest model of reality"
(White Collar: The American Middle Classes, 1951, p. 34). |
Derby and Tactical, I'd say you're both basically correct there. It's a huge, often remarkably insular country where something like 90% of the population considers itself middle class - that part harks back to the C Wright Mills stuff where there's still this huge emphasis on individualism and upward mobility that often doesn't reflect reality.
So politicians spend most of their time pandering to an electorate that believe things based on an idealised vision of the 'American Dream' rather than what actually is. And if you deviate from that you're an anarchist or a socialist or god forbid a European. | | | |
| US Election on 16:07 - Nov 6 with 807 views | HollowayRanger |
obama will win
better the bum who hasnet blown up the world
than the bum who might |  |
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| US Election on 16:13 - Nov 6 with 802 views | Match82 |
| US Election on 15:04 - Nov 6 by Jamie |
Don't hold your breath, I'm still waiting for him to reply to my points on Romney from page 1:
"I'm quite capable of deducing that a man whose top campaign contributors are the US financial institutions, believes Russia is the biggest threat to the US, wants to do away with FEMA, get rid of Planned Parenthood and embraced the Blunt-Rubio & "personhood" amendments whilst promising an instant 12 million jobs in return for your vote would be a catastrophe for the country."
The above is before you get to his claim that fires on planes aren't a problem because you can just open a window....
It's not because he's a Mormon, its because he's a moron.
ATAF. |
In all fairness, he's both... |  | | |
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