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It’s got to be better than this season but in time if we were like Stoke, Swansea, etc. then I wouldn’t be looking forward to that. Ultimately, I want to see us competing at the top level.
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Are we as fans really that unhappy to return to the Championship? on 21:15 - Jan 23 with 1753 views
Very happy to return. Better atmospheres, no VAR (yet), new grounds to visit, meeting proper loyal fans, no tourists, more honest players. The PL is just a corporate machine for a load of armchair fans and paying players 200 grand a week. But, I would rather return tomorrow, than go through another PL games of misery. The wait before we can regroup and go again next year, could be damaging.
Are we as fans really that unhappy to return to the Championship? on 21:15 - Jan 23 by Southamptonfan
Very happy to return. Better atmospheres, no VAR (yet), new grounds to visit, meeting proper loyal fans, no tourists, more honest players. The PL is just a corporate machine for a load of armchair fans and paying players 200 grand a week. But, I would rather return tomorrow, than go through another PL games of misery. The wait before we can regroup and go again next year, could be damaging.
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It really doesn't worry me anymore, the Premier League is finished for the match going supporters unless we get rid of 6-7 teams to a European super league
Satisfying The Bloodlust Of The Masses In Peacetime
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Are we as fans really that unhappy to return to the Championship? on 21:41 - Jan 23 with 1706 views
Ask me again after six or seven years when we continue to get spanked albeit in a lower league or leagues. The excitement of seeing some proper grounds again will soon wear off as Rasmus and Co. continue to make a Horlicks of things…..
Ready and waiting to mop up those European places......
Are we as fans really that unhappy to return to the Championship? on 21:28 - Jan 23 by SaintNick
It really doesn't worry me anymore, the Premier League is finished for the match going supporters unless we get rid of 6-7 teams to a European super league
Totally agree. Although, Forest, Bournemouth, Fulham have shown that the PL can be enjoyable for lesser clubs. PL certainly seems like a bad idea for Saints. We can't seem to get anywhere.
Are we as fans really that unhappy to return to the Championship? on 21:50 - Jan 23 by Southamptonfan
Totally agree. Although, Forest, Bournemouth, Fulham have shown that the PL can be enjoyable for lesser clubs. PL certainly seems like a bad idea for Saints. We can't seem to get anywhere.
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I’d attribute that mainly to the gibbons currently in charge.
Forza Rossobianco
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Are we as fans really that unhappy to return to the Championship? on 22:09 - Jan 23 with 1641 views
Are we as fans really that unhappy to return to the Championship? on 21:50 - Jan 23 by Southamptonfan
Totally agree. Although, Forest, Bournemouth, Fulham have shown that the PL can be enjoyable for lesser clubs. PL certainly seems like a bad idea for Saints. We can't seem to get anywhere.
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They are all having their moment in the sun just a we did, but ultimately that won't last forever, but let's be honest, they will all be where we are within a few years I'd guess?
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Are we as fans really that unhappy to return to the Championship? on 22:13 - Jan 23 with 1630 views
Anything has to be better than seeing us lose every week.
I look forward to seeing us back on the EFL highlights programme on a Saturday night, which is a vastly superior offering to the abysmal Match of the Day.
I really enjoyed travelling away and seeing saints win a lot in the championship . You can’t beat that winning feeling it picks you up and makes you feel good. This season has been a disaster and I won’t miss getting dicked every week.
It’s like the Premier league has become too big for us but this is all down to the owners we’ve had over the years, none of them appear to want to take the club anywhere, we just seem to exist . In the premier league there are Smaller clubs than us showing us how it should be done with good ambitious owners .
Are we as fans really that unhappy to return to the Championship? on 23:30 - Jan 23 by 1teeminants
I really enjoyed travelling away and seeing saints win a lot in the championship . You can’t beat that winning feeling it picks you up and makes you feel good. This season has been a disaster and I won’t miss getting dicked every week.
It’s like the Premier league has become too big for us but this is all down to the owners we’ve had over the years, none of them appear to want to take the club anywhere, we just seem to exist . In the premier league there are Smaller clubs than us showing us how it should be done with good ambitious owners .
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Likewise, loved going to the games, especially the away games in the championship. Knowing that we could win the game, away from home with 3000 plus Saints fans celebrating in the away end was great fun. Being at the top of the league and in most games being the bigger club is much more enjoyable than getting thrashed every week ofcourse.
But next season will be a bit of a strange feeling. The joy of getting promoted at Wembley, then the misery of this season brings an interesting feeling. So if we end coming back up next year, is it that exciting knowing the misery that promotion brings? It's like we have been there, done that. Another promotion to a league we don't want to be in? An inevitable relegation battle. It's almost like I won't be too bothered if we don't get back up next season.
Are we as fans really that unhappy to return to the Championship? on 21:50 - Jan 23 by Southamptonfan
Totally agree. Although, Forest, Bournemouth, Fulham have shown that the PL can be enjoyable for lesser clubs. PL certainly seems like a bad idea for Saints. We can't seem to get anywhere.
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I'm sure those clubs will be suitably punished by the end of this season, they will find some way to ensure those upstarts don't do that again ...
Are we as fans really that unhappy to return to the Championship? on 23:51 - Jan 23 by Southamptonfan
Likewise, loved going to the games, especially the away games in the championship. Knowing that we could win the game, away from home with 3000 plus Saints fans celebrating in the away end was great fun. Being at the top of the league and in most games being the bigger club is much more enjoyable than getting thrashed every week ofcourse.
But next season will be a bit of a strange feeling. The joy of getting promoted at Wembley, then the misery of this season brings an interesting feeling. So if we end coming back up next year, is it that exciting knowing the misery that promotion brings? It's like we have been there, done that. Another promotion to a league we don't want to be in? An inevitable relegation battle. It's almost like I won't be too bothered if we don't get back up next season.
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I think we’ll find that a few clubs including us will start becoming yo yo clubs now. The gulf between the two divisions has become massive .
Are we as fans really that unhappy to return to the Championship? on 07:26 - Jan 24 by 1teeminants
I think we’ll find that a few clubs including us will start becoming yo yo clubs now. The gulf between the two divisions has become massive .
Will we ever be able to compete with top flight teams like Bournemouth and Brentford?
No, let's just give up, say it's not fair and play in an easier division. We've never won the 2nd tier in our entire history, just the same as we've never won the top tier. Maybe we should go down to the 3rd tier?
I can't believe the defeatism I read on here. Fortunately it's not typical of the majority of our fanbase. Why don't fans of Spanish clubs give up because the big 3 win everything? Why don't Italian fans give up because the big 5 clubs win everything etc etc??? Life's about doing your best; not your 2nd best just because it's easier.
There are always surprises in the Premier League. If there weren't, we could all just walk into the bookies at the beginning of the season and make ourselves rich.
If it's that important for people to see Wrexham, they can drive there any weekend they like, even now. The irony is that the same people who say they prefer playing Championship teams couldn't even be bothered to go to the Swansea or Burnley games.
The Premier a bummer for us but next season will be a relief and much more fun, but nothing's going to work out, in the medium term, until we get wealthy enough owners that are committed to Southampton FC.
SR are not committed and therefore not competent enough for Southampton FC.
Unfortunately, we're stuck with this situation until SR decide the decent thing and pass us over to determined, decent owners who can take Saints forward - and like Brighton , Bournemouth and Brentford - it could be our turn to have a seriously competitive squad.
It's Frustrating for Saints fans now but in the longer term there's always more hope. Roll on and march on.
Are we as fans really that unhappy to return to the Championship? on 10:11 - Jan 24 by dirk_doone
Will we ever be able to compete with top flight teams like Bournemouth and Brentford?
No, let's just give up, say it's not fair and play in an easier division. We've never won the 2nd tier in our entire history, just the same as we've never won the top tier. Maybe we should go down to the 3rd tier?
I can't believe the defeatism I read on here. Fortunately it's not typical of the majority of our fanbase. Why don't fans of Spanish clubs give up because the big 3 win everything? Why don't Italian fans give up because the big 5 clubs win everything etc etc??? Life's about doing your best; not your 2nd best just because it's easier.
There are always surprises in the Premier League. If there weren't, we could all just walk into the bookies at the beginning of the season and make ourselves rich.
If it's that important for people to see Wrexham, they can drive there any weekend they like, even now. The irony is that the same people who say they prefer playing Championship teams couldn't even be bothered to go to the Swansea or Burnley games.
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Well said that man. Let’s go even better and drop down to League 1. With the logic of the lower we go the more we’ll win.
Fulham, Forest, Brentford, Bournemouth, Palace and indeed Leicester and Ipswich (they have a chance of survival) are clubs the same size or smaller than us and they seem to be enjoying life at the moment!!
We have to ask questions of why we are not even competing at this level as Leicester and Ipswich our fellow promoted sides are?
We can’t keep blaming Russell Martin forever.
The fault lies with the owners expecting Championship players to keep the club in The Premier League.
We thought that we had the answers,
It was the questions we had wrong.
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Are we as fans really that unhappy to return to the Championship? on 11:10 - Jan 24 with 1094 views
Are we as fans really that unhappy to return to the Championship? on 10:52 - Jan 24 by Flamingbankers
The Premier a bummer for us but next season will be a relief and much more fun, but nothing's going to work out, in the medium term, until we get wealthy enough owners that are committed to Southampton FC.
SR are not committed and therefore not competent enough for Southampton FC.
Unfortunately, we're stuck with this situation until SR decide the decent thing and pass us over to determined, decent owners who can take Saints forward - and like Brighton , Bournemouth and Brentford - it could be our turn to have a seriously competitive squad.
It's Frustrating for Saints fans now but in the longer term there's always more hope. Roll on and march on.
It's not the fault of the Premier League that we're having a bad season, any more than it's because of them that Forest are having such a good one. There have always been some teams that are stronger and some that are weaker in any given season. For as long as I've been watching football, the 2 who've most consistently been the strongest are Man United and Liverpool: a bit like Real Madrid and Barcelona in Spain, but others come and go.
It wasn't that long ago that Man City were in the third division and I can remember when Chelsea were considered a joke because they never won anything. 5 different clubs have won the FA Cup in the last 5 years and it wouldn't be any great surprise if a 6th different team won it this year.
Depends what you mean by happy, i'm looking forward to the new grounds that we'll get tick off and the fact we'll probably have two proper derbies is a good thing.
But the flip side is people i know will probably lose their jobs so that's sh*t
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Also i forgot that the championship now have those god awful early kick offs which will make loads of away games a complete pain to get to too, that'll definitely make it worse than last time
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Are we as fans really that unhappy to return to the Championship? on 11:22 - Jan 24 with 1039 views
The trouble is, and more negative vibes, is that we'll struggle in the Championship next season if we do go down (I've still got that glimmer of hope, slight I know but .....) we may end up as Luton are now. They were Prem last season and are now 2nd bottom and struggling. There may be other reasons for that which I'm not sure of, but how many of our current squad will still be here and will we be looking at League 1 players hoping to shine in the Championship?
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Are we as fans really that unhappy to return to the Championship? on 11:59 - Jan 24 with 1005 views
I want us to be competitive in the Prem for many reasons.
However this season has been disastrous and hopefully we will be chasing a return to the Prem next year.
As other posters have pointed out there is no guarantee that we will be in the top two positions and even getting into the play offs is a gamble and we then face the possibility of years in the doldrums and the possibility of getting even worse owners.
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Are we as fans really that unhappy to return to the Championship? on 14:46 - Jan 24 with 857 views
Are we as fans really that unhappy to return to the Championship? on 10:11 - Jan 24 by dirk_doone
Will we ever be able to compete with top flight teams like Bournemouth and Brentford?
No, let's just give up, say it's not fair and play in an easier division. We've never won the 2nd tier in our entire history, just the same as we've never won the top tier. Maybe we should go down to the 3rd tier?
I can't believe the defeatism I read on here. Fortunately it's not typical of the majority of our fanbase. Why don't fans of Spanish clubs give up because the big 3 win everything? Why don't Italian fans give up because the big 5 clubs win everything etc etc??? Life's about doing your best; not your 2nd best just because it's easier.
There are always surprises in the Premier League. If there weren't, we could all just walk into the bookies at the beginning of the season and make ourselves rich.
If it's that important for people to see Wrexham, they can drive there any weekend they like, even now. The irony is that the same people who say they prefer playing Championship teams couldn't even be bothered to go to the Swansea or Burnley games.
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Not sure if that’s a dig at me Dirk, I just said there will be more yo yo clubs due to the gap getting bigger and it clearly is what’s that got to do with defeatism and giving up ? I also said I enjoyed the championship and it made a bloody nice change tbh what’s wrong with that ? . Like you I’ve been watching saints for years if I was a defeatist I would have tossed my season ticket away years ago 🤣
If you want to go along and see city, United, Liverpool etc pick up yet more trophies year in year out you carry on pal . You can stuff the premier league and everything that goes with it. Until we get owners that want to take us somewhere I don’t see the point of being in it.
The fact is 6/7 clubs in this country win major trophies so not sure about these surprises you go on about . No one remembers 7 th or 8 th place finishers or fa cup semi final losers .
Are we as fans really that unhappy to return to the Championship? on 14:46 - Jan 24 by 1teeminants
Not sure if that’s a dig at me Dirk, I just said there will be more yo yo clubs due to the gap getting bigger and it clearly is what’s that got to do with defeatism and giving up ? I also said I enjoyed the championship and it made a bloody nice change tbh what’s wrong with that ? . Like you I’ve been watching saints for years if I was a defeatist I would have tossed my season ticket away years ago 🤣
If you want to go along and see city, United, Liverpool etc pick up yet more trophies year in year out you carry on pal . You can stuff the premier league and everything that goes with it. Until we get owners that want to take us somewhere I don’t see the point of being in it.
The fact is 6/7 clubs in this country win major trophies so not sure about these surprises you go on about . No one remembers 7 th or 8 th place finishers or fa cup semi final losers .
There are always surprises in the Premier League. I remember having a similar discussion with Boris, who used to post on here. He said the top 3 teams would be the same next year. I said, OK, I'll bet you they won't be. Needless to say, he wouldn't bet on it. He knew he'd lose.
Man City are the latest team to have a period of domination at the top, like Aston Villa in the 1890s, Huddersfield in the 1920s, Liverpool and Everton in the 1980s and Man United in the 1990s. City's domination won't last; it never does. The 2 teams that have most consistently been there are Liverpool and Man United, and it's always been like that. It's not something new that's suddenly happened in the Premier League.
The only way you can avoid a handful of clubs becoming bigger and stronger than most others is to adopt the American system, with squad wage caps and seedings for signings, so that the teams that finish bottom get the pick of the best players. But, when you look at football around the world, from Boca Juniors and River Plate in Argentina to Real Madrid and Barcelona in Spain, there are always dominant teams that usually win the trophies. The Premier League is more competitive than most, and the occasional smaller team, like Ipswich, Blackburn or Leicester, winning the league in this country will continue to happen as it's always done, every 10 years or so.
I never dreamed that we would win the league in the 1960s any more than I do now. We had our Leicester moment in 1984, but unfortunately it happened in a decade when Liverpool dominated.
In any sport you fight to reach the highest position you can, even when the going gets tough and even when bloody Liverpool are still there. I don't think we'd ever finished above them until we did it in the Premier League in 2016.
Are we as fans really that unhappy to return to the Championship? on 15:12 - Jan 24 by dirk_doone
There are always surprises in the Premier League. I remember having a similar discussion with Boris, who used to post on here. He said the top 3 teams would be the same next year. I said, OK, I'll bet you they won't be. Needless to say, he wouldn't bet on it. He knew he'd lose.
Man City are the latest team to have a period of domination at the top, like Aston Villa in the 1890s, Huddersfield in the 1920s, Liverpool and Everton in the 1980s and Man United in the 1990s. City's domination won't last; it never does. The 2 teams that have most consistently been there are Liverpool and Man United, and it's always been like that. It's not something new that's suddenly happened in the Premier League.
The only way you can avoid a handful of clubs becoming bigger and stronger than most others is to adopt the American system, with squad wage caps and seedings for signings, so that the teams that finish bottom get the pick of the best players. But, when you look at football around the world, from Boca Juniors and River Plate in Argentina to Real Madrid and Barcelona in Spain, there are always dominant teams that usually win the trophies. The Premier League is more competitive than most, and the occasional smaller team, like Ipswich, Blackburn or Leicester, winning the league in this country will continue to happen as it's always done, every 10 years or so.
I never dreamed that we would win the league in the 1960s any more than I do now. We had our Leicester moment in 1984, but unfortunately it happened in a decade when Liverpool dominated.
In any sport you fight to reach the highest position you can, even when the going gets tough and even when bloody Liverpool are still there. I don't think we'd ever finished above them until we did it in the Premier League in 2016.
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We're the black Knight
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Are we as fans really that unhappy to return to the Championship? on 15:43 - Jan 24 with 757 views
Are we as fans really that unhappy to return to the Championship? on 15:12 - Jan 24 by dirk_doone
There are always surprises in the Premier League. I remember having a similar discussion with Boris, who used to post on here. He said the top 3 teams would be the same next year. I said, OK, I'll bet you they won't be. Needless to say, he wouldn't bet on it. He knew he'd lose.
Man City are the latest team to have a period of domination at the top, like Aston Villa in the 1890s, Huddersfield in the 1920s, Liverpool and Everton in the 1980s and Man United in the 1990s. City's domination won't last; it never does. The 2 teams that have most consistently been there are Liverpool and Man United, and it's always been like that. It's not something new that's suddenly happened in the Premier League.
The only way you can avoid a handful of clubs becoming bigger and stronger than most others is to adopt the American system, with squad wage caps and seedings for signings, so that the teams that finish bottom get the pick of the best players. But, when you look at football around the world, from Boca Juniors and River Plate in Argentina to Real Madrid and Barcelona in Spain, there are always dominant teams that usually win the trophies. The Premier League is more competitive than most, and the occasional smaller team, like Ipswich, Blackburn or Leicester, winning the league in this country will continue to happen as it's always done, every 10 years or so.
I never dreamed that we would win the league in the 1960s any more than I do now. We had our Leicester moment in 1984, but unfortunately it happened in a decade when Liverpool dominated.
In any sport you fight to reach the highest position you can, even when the going gets tough and even when bloody Liverpool are still there. I don't think we'd ever finished above them until we did it in the Premier League in 2016.
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I await your list of FA cup winners and premier league winners the last 20 years Dirk. Perhaps you can highlight in CAPITALS the surprises for me ffs .LEICESTER was a one off and won’t happen again with the amount of money now flying about .
Are we as fans really that unhappy to return to the Championship? on 15:43 - Jan 24 by 1teeminants
I await your list of FA cup winners and premier league winners the last 20 years Dirk. Perhaps you can highlight in CAPITALS the surprises for me ffs .LEICESTER was a one off and won’t happen again with the amount of money now flying about .
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Leicester have won both, fairly recently too. It's no different to when Ipswich and Blackburn won the league or when Wigan beat Man City in the FA Cup Final or when Real Sociedad won La Liga or when Hellas Verona won Serie A. These things don't happen often. There are always dominant teams that usually win the trophies.
I could post a list of Scottish, Spanish, Italian, German, Dutch, Romanian etc league and cup winners from the last 20 years and you'll see that they are all dominated by a smaller number of big clubs than we are in this country. That's the way football leagues are.
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