| The game model 13:25 - Nov 24 with 2100 views | SimplyNico |
Nourry set out in this interview with a local rag what his "game model" is - https://londonnewsonline.co.uk/sport/qpr-chief-executive-nourry-we-will-stick-wi
His words were tbat the game model is:
"some form of 4-3-3, possession-based, mid-block/high press football,”
adding:
"we did that by looking at the last 10 years of the Championship and what won you points and what allowed you sustainability to bring in 16 to 24-year-old players who could play well in the system, develop and be the best players they could possibly be."
In terms of enforcing this he said:
"We have a club game model of how we want to play football. That’s a document that is now under the per view of our head of methodology [Jon De Souza], who’s in charge of policing the game model."
And it was also indicated in relation to the longevity of his game model:
"Nourry is adamant that the club will not move away from the game model approach even if the team struggles to get results on the pitch, and it will guide the process of appointing head coaches in the future."
Any problems with that?
Just a few.
First, "some form of 433".. Please. What does that mean?
Second, why not broadcast to everyone how we are going to play so they can set up for it.
Third, the data set is historic and relates to players who are, in all likelihood, not in this team given the age profile referred to.
Fourth, this flawed, historic data set refers to Championship players. The players we signed are not Championship players. Nourry would doubtless say that there was room for them to progress as Championship players because you look at their data based attributes. That's possibly fine if you look at all of the attributes. However, how do you focus on a subjective quality like stomach for a fight in an objective data set? In short, he is comparing apples with oranges and saying they are the same thing.
Fifth, having now determined that the flawed basis for how the club will play is the game model, we then have a "Director of Methodology" to enforce it. So who is Methodology copper, Jon De Souza? Well looking at other sources rather than the puff and bullshit we get from Nourry, he is a solid, lower league academy coach - https://www.charltonafc.com/news/view/6262720a6c8e8/jon-de-souza-appointed-as-me Yet he is enforcing the flawed game model. In other words, in terms of policing the flawed methodology, he outranks what Marti wants to do. In other words, it all comes back to Nourry to decide what will happen because he will report to Nourry.
Finally, in terms of Nourry indicating that the gane model will endure even if results do not go our way, this is blatant stupidity. Quite apart from it saying that reality is wrong because it doesn’t fit the flawed methodology, the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting to get a different result.
I am astonished that our owners think that this experiment is worth persevering with. Instead of data and artificial intelligence, why don't we actually apply some analogue, fact based intelligence to the problem and see if Marti can get a tune out of the rabble he has be given with any sort of system.
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| The game model on 13:47 - Nov 24 with 1969 views | kensalriser |
Agree with all that except the definition of insanity. It's more a definition of stupidity. |  |
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| The game model on 13:47 - Nov 24 with 1967 views | ted_hendrix |
**"Director of Methodology"**
Give me f ucking strength. |  |
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| The game model on 13:54 - Nov 24 with 1920 views | JimmyR |
| The game model on 13:47 - Nov 24 by ted_hendrix |
**"Director of Methodology"**
Give me f ucking strength. |
As Clive already pointed out - you look like a right dickhead with one of these in L1
Particularly if it’s done via zoom | | | |
| The game model on 13:57 - Nov 24 with 1896 views | JimmyR |
It’s a director of goals/strikers/running/tackling/correctly placed &weighted 10yrd passes that’s needed | | | |
| The game model on 14:04 - Nov 24 with 1840 views | stevec |
This is what happens when you have too many layers of management.
That said, having a defined method of playing is what many on this board were crying out for so it’s a bit rich to complain about it when it doesn’t work.
In the end it all comes down to who chose Celar or more to the point, during the summer, just the one CF when we got rid of two forwards from a side that we know has lacked forwards for some years previous.
Cant help feeling if we had Cannon up front we’d be where Stoke are and they’d be in our place. |  | | |
| The game model on 14:12 - Nov 24 with 1794 views | aston_hoop |
The thing is, nothing about this makes us in any way unique. Some clubs game models are backed up by huge spending and good recruitment and some are backed up by our shocking recruitment and spending. Some clubs are being run by people who have a lot more about them than the people running us. We probably, as a fanbase, need to get over this obsession with every problem being 'data'. Nothing we are doing in that sense is unique, we just aren't doing it well. Focus on the issue that is Nourry is out of his depth, not the methods by which we aim to progress. |  |
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| The game model on 14:28 - Nov 24 with 1703 views | PlanetHonneywood |
Kim Jung sure is sending confused messages. On the one hand, news from the club is guarded tighter than the Mafia could only ever dream of imposing on their wise guys, and yet, on the other, he's singing like a canary.
Definitely seems like he's trying to get his defence out before the baying mob descends in two weeks. What a bloody mess. Only at the circus could such buffoonery like this be considered sound management. |  |
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| The game model on 15:38 - Nov 24 with 1524 views | RangersDave |
Isn't a 'game model' some kind of bird found in the shadows in Soho? |  |
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| The game model on 17:27 - Nov 24 with 1363 views | GroveR |
Don't want to be a smartaŕse but I'm petty sure it's "purview" and not "per view" |  | | |
| The game model on 23:11 - Nov 24 with 1132 views | mart_Goblin |
| The game model on 13:47 - Nov 24 by ted_hendrix |
**"Director of Methodology"**
Give me f ucking strength. |
Oh my god, this!!
Has anyone had the privilege to watch us warm up pre match ?
We go through the same nonsense every match but for a section, our ‘head of methodology’ takes the team through this walking football b*llocks where the defence set up against the attackers who play across and round to the wide men who cross for Celar , the defence don’t go with him or challenge anyone (we never score ) . We then start the process with the defence playing out from a goal kick set up . The attackers don’t shut them down and we play out , at walking pace , until finally we play a ball into Field or Varane and they start the attacking process again , unchallenged and at walking pace .
No one shuts anyone down , no one breaks into a jog and Smyth never finds Celar with a cross .
All over seen by our head of ‘methodology’. Neither Marti or Xavi no where to be seen .
This is before every game . Every game !!!!!
It’s complete nonsense and the players know it . The fact the head coach or his assistant are never present should tell you who is pulling the strings here.
It’s the most unrealistic modern football horsesh*t you can imagine and other teams most just look from the other end of the pitch and just p*ss themselves . [Post edited 24 Nov 23:15]
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| The game model on 23:43 - Nov 24 with 1077 views | johncharles |
“Director of Methedology” Holy God Alive what in the name of fcuk is that 🤪🤪
Apologies to Ted H, you were there ahead of me still I think it needs saying twice [Post edited 24 Nov 23:50]
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| The game model on 11:54 - Nov 25 with 769 views | PastCaringNW2 |
Seems that Noury went to Imperial in 2019 to study for an MSc in Innovation, Entrepreneurship and Management. This after doing History at Trinity, Oxford. Not an educational path that would normally bring a lot of humility with it and not a lot of football on that educational cv either. I am not sure where the data expertise was acquired. A hobbyist perhaps? So there's that.
I wouldn't bet against Noury having watched Moneyball and / or read the Michael Lewis book and thought "I'm very smart, I can make spread sheets that are works of art, I really like football and football is loaded with money, short of a lot of rationality and full of people promoted above their skill-set and intelligence. In that kind of environment I could be Pete *and* Billy rolled into one. I'll clean up!"
No one who goes to Trinity wants to be making their way into their stellar post- post grad career based on something as ephemeral as actual experience on the job. No one wants to be Art Howe, the schlubby guy who looks bad in the uniform, the guy who wants to stay in the game on his terms and by leaning on a skill set earned having done his 10,000 hours multiple times along the way.
No one who goes to Imperial aspires to be a man out of step with the Zeitgeist like Grady the chief scout. They want to be seen to be the smartest, most forward thinking person in the room on any given occasion. Contrarian by nature, they want to lead the future not chase the bandwagon.
Though a Grady might also once in a while find you a one season wonder Stuart Wardley in the rough. He might have seen enough with his own eyes to know someone who knows someone who knows that an Ebere Eze, or,a Jason Puncheon say, have far far more to offer than what their career paths to date suggest. A Stuart Wardley would never make a data-driven short list. Would Eze at the point just before he came to Rangers? Would Puncheon when Barnet picked him up from the cast off pile? I very much doubt it.
And there's the rub when you over-correct from a conservative, 16th-place-and-hoping-for-better- kind-of-works-for-now strategy. That has been a strategy that says leave-the-football-men-to-do-football-man-things. With all the hit and miss consequences you would expect.
Yet here we are doing a 180 on a cliff edge to chase a lets-give-the-disruptive-tech-bros-all-the-power policy the next. The guy driving this isn't even doing it with his own money.
Warbs is the nearest thing we have seen who more or less rides both those horses, even if his experience of using data to feed decision-making will be more of a Gary Stevenson risk management type than player assessment per se. His data-led decisions in the markets might even have involved similar amounts of money and more. Which will presumably teach you a lot about how to actually reach safe but progressive decisions based on multiple sources of information. Little of that nouse is found in text books and coaching manuals.
I would bet Marti is cut from similar cloth in terms of temperament but with the bias more toward the training field than the analyst booth. Thoughtful at the very least.
So, of course we will end up having fired them both in favour of chasing dreams of beating the EFL house on the dirt cheap. Too impatient to build, too keen on a lottery win solution to a nose-to-the-grindstone for five years problem.
Until we learn patience and true painstaking graft we are going nowhere. There might always be enough of a January parachute to stave off disaster but that's our ceiling right now. With this fan base (the most patient I have ever come across) that is more than possible. |  | | |
| The game model on 12:34 - Nov 25 with 618 views | TK1 |
| The game model on 11:54 - Nov 25 by PastCaringNW2 |
Seems that Noury went to Imperial in 2019 to study for an MSc in Innovation, Entrepreneurship and Management. This after doing History at Trinity, Oxford. Not an educational path that would normally bring a lot of humility with it and not a lot of football on that educational cv either. I am not sure where the data expertise was acquired. A hobbyist perhaps? So there's that.
I wouldn't bet against Noury having watched Moneyball and / or read the Michael Lewis book and thought "I'm very smart, I can make spread sheets that are works of art, I really like football and football is loaded with money, short of a lot of rationality and full of people promoted above their skill-set and intelligence. In that kind of environment I could be Pete *and* Billy rolled into one. I'll clean up!"
No one who goes to Trinity wants to be making their way into their stellar post- post grad career based on something as ephemeral as actual experience on the job. No one wants to be Art Howe, the schlubby guy who looks bad in the uniform, the guy who wants to stay in the game on his terms and by leaning on a skill set earned having done his 10,000 hours multiple times along the way.
No one who goes to Imperial aspires to be a man out of step with the Zeitgeist like Grady the chief scout. They want to be seen to be the smartest, most forward thinking person in the room on any given occasion. Contrarian by nature, they want to lead the future not chase the bandwagon.
Though a Grady might also once in a while find you a one season wonder Stuart Wardley in the rough. He might have seen enough with his own eyes to know someone who knows someone who knows that an Ebere Eze, or,a Jason Puncheon say, have far far more to offer than what their career paths to date suggest. A Stuart Wardley would never make a data-driven short list. Would Eze at the point just before he came to Rangers? Would Puncheon when Barnet picked him up from the cast off pile? I very much doubt it.
And there's the rub when you over-correct from a conservative, 16th-place-and-hoping-for-better- kind-of-works-for-now strategy. That has been a strategy that says leave-the-football-men-to-do-football-man-things. With all the hit and miss consequences you would expect.
Yet here we are doing a 180 on a cliff edge to chase a lets-give-the-disruptive-tech-bros-all-the-power policy the next. The guy driving this isn't even doing it with his own money.
Warbs is the nearest thing we have seen who more or less rides both those horses, even if his experience of using data to feed decision-making will be more of a Gary Stevenson risk management type than player assessment per se. His data-led decisions in the markets might even have involved similar amounts of money and more. Which will presumably teach you a lot about how to actually reach safe but progressive decisions based on multiple sources of information. Little of that nouse is found in text books and coaching manuals.
I would bet Marti is cut from similar cloth in terms of temperament but with the bias more toward the training field than the analyst booth. Thoughtful at the very least.
So, of course we will end up having fired them both in favour of chasing dreams of beating the EFL house on the dirt cheap. Too impatient to build, too keen on a lottery win solution to a nose-to-the-grindstone for five years problem.
Until we learn patience and true painstaking graft we are going nowhere. There might always be enough of a January parachute to stave off disaster but that's our ceiling right now. With this fan base (the most patient I have ever come across) that is more than possible. |
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| The game model on 16:03 - Nov 25 with 380 views | connell10 |
I think young Nourryvirus just says things that he thinks sound cool and hip , in other words talking Bollocks!!! |  |
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