| Divided opinions - should England have had that penalty v Netherlands? 11:45 - Jul 11 with 3116 views | saint901 |
Whilst I'm thankful we did, in my book, never a pen.
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| Divided opinions - should England have had that penalty v Netherlands? on 12:24 - Jul 11 with 3064 views | dirk_doone |
Most penalties are given for handballs which aren't deliberate. There is an element of bad luck involved in conceding penalties.
In situations like the one last night, the player who gets the ball is OK, the one who doesn't, isn't. It's considered reckless play. The lesson is, if you're going to swing your boot hard and high, make sure you make contact with the ball and not the man. As Kane said at the end, his foot felt like it was hanging off. I'm sure a photo would show it's bruised and swollen.
Personally, I think that penalties should only be awarded for deliberate handballs and fouls but that's not the way it works nowadays. You regularly see a yellow card or penalty given for a foul that wasn't deliberate. The player was just trying to kick the ball, but was beaten to it. [Post edited 11 Jul 12:34]
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| Divided opinions - should England have had that penalty v Netherlands? on 13:14 - Jul 11 with 2993 views | TripleNiemi |
Will take it all day, but never a pen |  |
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| Divided opinions - should England have had that penalty v Netherlands? on 13:17 - Jul 11 with 2987 views | yateleysaint |
| Divided opinions - should England have had that penalty v Netherlands? on 12:24 - Jul 11 by dirk_doone |
Most penalties are given for handballs which aren't deliberate. There is an element of bad luck involved in conceding penalties.
In situations like the one last night, the player who gets the ball is OK, the one who doesn't, isn't. It's considered reckless play. The lesson is, if you're going to swing your boot hard and high, make sure you make contact with the ball and not the man. As Kane said at the end, his foot felt like it was hanging off. I'm sure a photo would show it's bruised and swollen.
Personally, I think that penalties should only be awarded for deliberate handballs and fouls but that's not the way it works nowadays. You regularly see a yellow card or penalty given for a foul that wasn't deliberate. The player was just trying to kick the ball, but was beaten to it. [Post edited 11 Jul 12:34]
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If Kane’s foot was hurting that much he should have let someone else take the penalty.
He was looking at the ref while rolling around on the floor.
It’s cheating, just like Simeone cheated to get Beckham sent off.
I guess you could say it’s about time England did the cheating rather than the other way around but I think England used to be more honest.
I’m biased though as I don’t like Harry Kane. |  |
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| Divided opinions - should England have had that penalty v Netherlands? on 13:30 - Jul 11 with 2966 views | SonicBoom |
Let's be honest we've seen far softer penalties given in the PL every week. Players collapse if they feel "contact" then when a penalty is given against their side they all complain. |  | | |
| Divided opinions - should England have had that penalty v Netherlands? on 13:37 - Jul 11 with 2957 views | dirk_doone |
| Divided opinions - should England have had that penalty v Netherlands? on 13:30 - Jul 11 by SonicBoom |
Let's be honest we've seen far softer penalties given in the PL every week. Players collapse if they feel "contact" then when a penalty is given against their side they all complain. |
I was just going to post the same. TV pundits regularly say, "There was contact" to justify penalties in the Premier League and if one isn't given because a player stays on his feet, they ask "Why didn't he go down?" That is the norm nowadays.
It would be great if we could wind the clock back to an era when nobody dived or screamed but once the South Americans and then the Italians started getting away with it in the 1960s, other teams started having to do the same if they wanted to remain competitive and win games. The North Americans and Scandinavians were the last to succumb but perhaps that's why they never won anything. [Post edited 11 Jul 14:15]
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| Divided opinions - should England have had that penalty v Netherlands? on 13:44 - Jul 11 with 2936 views | grumpy |
If that happened out of the penalty area it would have been given as a foul.So yes a penalty. |  | | |
| Divided opinions - should England have had that penalty v Netherlands? on 14:05 - Jul 11 with 2906 views | cocklebreath |
I didn’t get it at the time, Neville going mad saying never a penalty. Like someone else said I’ve seen many softer penalties in premier league. |  |
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| Divided opinions - should England have had that penalty v Netherlands? on 16:28 - Jul 11 with 2806 views | Wints76 |
The Dutch seem just as concerned that there was a handball by Saka which played the ball on to Kane.
I didn't think it was a pen, but also I don't care on this occasion |  | | |
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| Divided opinions - should England have had that penalty v Netherlands? on 19:34 - Jul 11 with 2714 views | sledger |
it 100% wasnt a penalty the dutch player is trying to block the shot as he has to,the referee pundit women said it wouldnt even be reviewed,how wrong she was,if that was given against england we would be going ape | | | |
| Divided opinions - should England have had that penalty v Netherlands? on 08:09 - Jul 12 with 2547 views | kentsouthampton |
Anywhere else on the pitch it's a foul and a yellow card, if you go for the ball and miss and take out the player it's a foul as simple as, it was also reckless, I don't even know why anyone's arguing unless it's just sheer pedantry. |  | | |
| Divided opinions - should England have had that penalty v Netherlands? on 08:54 - Jul 12 with 2521 views | saintwizzler |
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It was the questions we had wrong. |
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| Divided opinions - should England have had that penalty v Netherlands? on 09:36 - Jul 12 with 2497 views | kernow |
The only opinions that count are those of the match officials.
Ronald Koeman had nothing to say in his post match interview.
It was a penalty and we won, I don’t care about anything else. | | | |
| Divided opinions - should England have had that penalty v Netherlands? on 19:22 - Jul 12 with 2389 views | DorsetIan |
Just more VAR nonsense. Never a pen in a million years.
VAR is so bad it's just boring to talk about it now.
And what's worse is that it just keeps going. It was obvious is was sh!t years ago, but here it still is.
This and other things are sucking football dry. | |
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| Divided opinions - should England have had that penalty v Netherlands? on 19:34 - Jul 13 with 2229 views | Jellybaby |
Unbelievably bad decision. Embarrassing to equalise like that. | |
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| Divided opinions - should England have had that penalty v Netherlands? on 20:20 - Jul 13 with 2221 views | saintwizzler |
| Divided opinions - should England have had that penalty v Netherlands? on 19:34 - Jul 13 by Jellybaby |
Unbelievably bad decision. Embarrassing to equalise like that. |
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It was the questions we had wrong. |
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| Divided opinions - should England have had that penalty v Netherlands? on 08:53 - Jul 14 with 2092 views | bendybob |
| Divided opinions - should England have had that penalty v Netherlands? on 20:20 - Jul 13 by saintwizzler |
Lolcano. |
We have been on the receiving end of wrong decisions in the past. “The Hand of God” springs to mind. So I think we will take that!  |  | | |
| Divided opinions - should England have had that penalty v Netherlands? on 10:17 - Jul 14 with 2054 views | Jellybaby |
| Divided opinions - should England have had that penalty v Netherlands? on 08:53 - Jul 14 by bendybob |
We have been on the receiving end of wrong decisions in the past. “The Hand of God” springs to mind. So I think we will take that! |
VAR was set up to supposedly end injustices like the "hand of God" not to create new ones.
Let's hope England can win tonight on their own terms without the help of VAR. Who is going to be the first one to say "I don't care how we win mate?" | |
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| Divided opinions - should England have had that penalty v Netherlands? on 12:25 - Jul 14 with 2035 views | dirk_doone |
I wouldn't turn my nose up at another one like it tonight. | |
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