| Sign a f*cking striker 11:08 - Dec 30 with 16653 views | Third_Division_South |
Hi all, first post from a long time lurker.
We all know we need to sign a striker, but how about signing the RIGHT striker. Our last three major purchases have been Washington, Bonne and Dykes al costing around £2M each. The first two proved to be total duds and, to me, Dykes is much more of a traditional target man who needs a real striker playing off him. That said, he should still score more than he does. It baffles me that our recruitment team that has got it so well in other parts of the pitch have such a blind spot when it comes to strikers. Since we signed Dykes Luton have got in Adebayo, 16 goals last season, Morris, two goals last night, both of which beat us up in the away game also and Woodrow for less than we paid for him. Also, how could anyone have looked at Roberts and thought that he’d be worth £4.5?.While we were looking at the Brighton reserve team and getting Mlakar, remember him?playing alongside him in the same team was Gyokeres who went to Coventry on a free and ripped us a new one a few weeks ago.
All the more baffling when our DoF was such a great striker.
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| Sign a f*cking striker on 15:16 - Dec 30 with 4155 views | RsinWales |
| Sign a f*cking striker on 15:04 - Dec 30 by DejR_vu |
We haven't owned a decent striker since our DoF has been at the club, so I can't imagine we're going to start now, although even a broken clock is right twice a day so maybe we'll stumble on one by mistake one day.
If we had a competent DoF perhaps:
1) we would use what little money we have to buy decent players, rather than wasting it on dross. How many genuinely good players have been signed since he arrived?
2) we would have a youth system that produces the odd player that's decent (we've sold Furlong and Kpekawa on his watch, both of whom came through before he arrived. Bowler maybe? The others have been signed post-academy age). That would make (1) easier if we had less holes to plug. And btw, the cr@p about the new training facility making it easier, suggesting that the old facilities were the problem is total horsesh1t. There are other London clubs with facilities no better than the old Heston producing players. It's another in a long line of excuses.
3) we would have a settled style of play that means a coach leaving doesn't cause a massive upheaval
Apparently, this is all far too difficult for QPR, despite other clubs being able to do it. It just seems to be accepted because there are other clubs just as bad. #racetothebottom
It's only been eight years, I guess. |
In addition to the new facilities, I hope the club is asking itself the hard questions about our youth development process. We have some well-regarded people in post, but that should not hide the fact that we are not bringing Championship or better players through the ranks.
Our successes seem to be buying younger players at 16-18'ish who were not a part of our youth system. It seems our ability to do well in an FFP environment will be fuelled by younger players who play well for us and are then sold for decent money. We have a plan it seems, but not a reliable pipeline to fulfil it?
Nicer facilities might help a little but it would be an error to think it will fix everything. [Post edited 30 Dec 2022 15:18]
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| Sign a f*cking striker on 15:46 - Dec 30 with 4063 views | CamberleyR |
| Sign a f*cking striker on 15:16 - Dec 30 by RsinWales |
In addition to the new facilities, I hope the club is asking itself the hard questions about our youth development process. We have some well-regarded people in post, but that should not hide the fact that we are not bringing Championship or better players through the ranks.
Our successes seem to be buying younger players at 16-18'ish who were not a part of our youth system. It seems our ability to do well in an FFP environment will be fuelled by younger players who play well for us and are then sold for decent money. We have a plan it seems, but not a reliable pipeline to fulfil it?
Nicer facilities might help a little but it would be an error to think it will fix everything. [Post edited 30 Dec 2022 15:18]
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With the youth development point you raise, we are slightly hamstrung at the moment being a Category 2 academy.
Under the EPPP bollox, set up entirely to favour the big PL clubs, a Cat 1 academy like any of the London PL clubs could, if we had another Raheem Sterling on our books, say I'm having him thank you very much and there's virtually nothing we can do to stop them and we'd get very little in compensation.
This was alluded to by Clive in a post he made on the FA Youth Cup thread a couple of weeks ago where the Spurs goalkeeper, who was the man of the match, was previously with us and Spurs just took him off of us for very little reward. Hopefully the new training facilities will make us consider going Cat 1 although there is an accommodation problem to overcome I believe. |  |
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| Sign a f*cking striker on 16:07 - Dec 30 with 4005 views | Monkey_Roots |
| Sign a f*cking striker on 15:04 - Dec 30 by DejR_vu |
We haven't owned a decent striker since our DoF has been at the club, so I can't imagine we're going to start now, although even a broken clock is right twice a day so maybe we'll stumble on one by mistake one day.
If we had a competent DoF perhaps:
1) we would use what little money we have to buy decent players, rather than wasting it on dross. How many genuinely good players have been signed since he arrived?
2) we would have a youth system that produces the odd player that's decent (we've sold Furlong and Kpekawa on his watch, both of whom came through before he arrived. Bowler maybe? The others have been signed post-academy age). That would make (1) easier if we had less holes to plug. And btw, the cr@p about the new training facility making it easier, suggesting that the old facilities were the problem is total horsesh1t. There are other London clubs with facilities no better than the old Heston producing players. It's another in a long line of excuses.
3) we would have a settled style of play that means a coach leaving doesn't cause a massive upheaval
Apparently, this is all far too difficult for QPR, despite other clubs being able to do it. It just seems to be accepted because there are other clubs just as bad. #racetothebottom
It's only been eight years, I guess. |
He slept with your missus, didn’t he? |  | | |
| Sign a f*cking striker on 16:09 - Dec 30 with 3991 views | DejR_vu |
| Sign a f*cking striker on 16:07 - Dec 30 by Monkey_Roots |
He slept with your missus, didn’t he? |
Or maybe he's sleeping with you? | |
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| Sign a f*cking striker on 16:12 - Dec 30 with 3971 views | Monkey_Roots |
| Sign a f*cking striker on 16:09 - Dec 30 by DejR_vu |
Or maybe he's sleeping with you? |
You should’ve taken longer thinking about the best retort, it would’ve been funnier.
Go back and edit your post, have a mulligan. | | | |
| Sign a f*cking striker on 16:16 - Dec 30 with 3951 views | DejR_vu |
| Sign a f*cking striker on 16:12 - Dec 30 by Monkey_Roots |
You should’ve taken longer thinking about the best retort, it would’ve been funnier.
Go back and edit your post, have a mulligan. |
No mirrors in your house? | |
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| Sign a f*cking striker on 16:21 - Dec 30 with 3919 views | gazza1 |
Money is an issue, I understand but we should, by now, have gotten ourselves a better striker by now.......other Clubs have done it!!! | | | |
| Sign a f*cking striker on 16:29 - Dec 30 with 3889 views | davman |
Our, alternatively now that "extra" spending is banned, we are still punching above our weight as in the natural order of things, our income puts us somewhere between L1 and the Championship?
Whilst those rules exist, we will not be going anywhere, but we're not alone as I'd suggest that the three teams goi g up will, once again, be three teams buoyed by parachute payments.
Yes, Forest crept in last season, but they used some other "loophole" in S&P to get more money.
Yes, Lootown and Barnsley have shown that you can compete on next to nothing, but Barnsley didn't and Luton won't get over the line.
Until the playing field is "levelled" to the point it actually is "fair", we'll have spells of utter shiteness and spells where we look half good. Maybe it's time for the reboot hoping to pick up enough points to stay up whilst taking the money for Chair, Willock and Seny then getting basic lumps in place so that Critchley can get back to basics and build a team capable of surviving next season within the paralysing budget we have.
If it was just this spell, I might not have suggested this, but let's not forget just how bad this lot were in the second half of last season. Nice boys and all that, but it feels like a John Gregory spine of Cullip, Bolder and Camp with a big lump up front might have to save the day.
... Or Critchley forthright and Frank motivational speeches might just do the trick, eh?
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| Sign a f*cking striker on 16:33 - Dec 30 with 3885 views | charmr |
We started on the front foot and put 3 balls into that man city area with no one there. That’s good play. Last night I also watched what was going on ahead of the ball quite diligently simply because of the amount of times we turned, especially wide and played backwards. Dykes seemed to not be able to read the play and seemed surprised when the ball came to him. Felt for him a bit playing against all of their back line though. Like the guy however football intelligence top half of this league has to be better.
Thought we did ok 2nd half Burnley, Preston somewhat decent, Cardiff, no comment, last night we were decent in parts but only when Luton were out of shape. Otherwise we had no idea. | | | |
| Sign a f*cking striker on 23:06 - Dec 30 with 3783 views | stanistheman |
| Sign a f*cking striker on 15:04 - Dec 30 by DejR_vu |
We haven't owned a decent striker since our DoF has been at the club, so I can't imagine we're going to start now, although even a broken clock is right twice a day so maybe we'll stumble on one by mistake one day.
If we had a competent DoF perhaps:
1) we would use what little money we have to buy decent players, rather than wasting it on dross. How many genuinely good players have been signed since he arrived?
2) we would have a youth system that produces the odd player that's decent (we've sold Furlong and Kpekawa on his watch, both of whom came through before he arrived. Bowler maybe? The others have been signed post-academy age). That would make (1) easier if we had less holes to plug. And btw, the cr@p about the new training facility making it easier, suggesting that the old facilities were the problem is total horsesh1t. There are other London clubs with facilities no better than the old Heston producing players. It's another in a long line of excuses.
3) we would have a settled style of play that means a coach leaving doesn't cause a massive upheaval
Apparently, this is all far too difficult for QPR, despite other clubs being able to do it. It just seems to be accepted because there are other clubs just as bad. #racetothebottom
It's only been eight years, I guess. |
Agree with a lot of what you wrote, but we did buy Furlong and Austin and they were both good strikers.
Signing a decent striker seems to be far beyond the DoF’s capabilities, judging by the dross we have bought since he got the job.
I will also add that although I don’t rate Dykes as a goal scorer I do think he can be useful as part of a 2 man strike force. His best spell was playing alongside Austin when he was on loan. For reasons I never really understood last season Warburton rarely started with them both. Yes, he wanted to give both Willock and Chair starting places, but once it became obvious that scoring goals was getting more difficult (I thought this was the case in December) , he should have reverted to the partnership. Even more so in January when Chair was on international duty in the cup of nations.
Now I know that Bonne is not rated , but whilst he is at the club he may as well play alongside Dykes. It would help the latter out as he won’t be as closely marked if defenders had 2 strikers to contend with. Bonne actually had a decent pre season so I am not sure why he hasn’t been given a chance.
They might not be the best partnership but at least give them a chance. They could hardly do any worse than what we have seen since October 28th when we lost at Birmingham.
We have scored 2 goals in 9 games.
Hopefully the Board and Ferdinand have been in discussions with clubs about buying or loaning some new strikers in January (the earlier the better). On second thoughts this is highly unlikely given how they normally do business in this window. | | | |
| Sign a f*cking striker on 07:48 - Dec 31 with 3573 views | Wegerles_Stairs |
| Sign a f*cking striker on 23:06 - Dec 30 by stanistheman |
Agree with a lot of what you wrote, but we did buy Furlong and Austin and they were both good strikers.
Signing a decent striker seems to be far beyond the DoF’s capabilities, judging by the dross we have bought since he got the job.
I will also add that although I don’t rate Dykes as a goal scorer I do think he can be useful as part of a 2 man strike force. His best spell was playing alongside Austin when he was on loan. For reasons I never really understood last season Warburton rarely started with them both. Yes, he wanted to give both Willock and Chair starting places, but once it became obvious that scoring goals was getting more difficult (I thought this was the case in December) , he should have reverted to the partnership. Even more so in January when Chair was on international duty in the cup of nations.
Now I know that Bonne is not rated , but whilst he is at the club he may as well play alongside Dykes. It would help the latter out as he won’t be as closely marked if defenders had 2 strikers to contend with. Bonne actually had a decent pre season so I am not sure why he hasn’t been given a chance.
They might not be the best partnership but at least give them a chance. They could hardly do any worse than what we have seen since October 28th when we lost at Birmingham.
We have scored 2 goals in 9 games.
Hopefully the Board and Ferdinand have been in discussions with clubs about buying or loaning some new strikers in January (the earlier the better). On second thoughts this is highly unlikely given how they normally do business in this window. |
Bonne is clearly not involved because we'll have to pay more money for him if he plays any more games. He won't play for us again and will disappear for an undisclosed fee (i.e. some magic beans) in January.
It is beyond a joke to compare Luton's striking resources with ours, and yet, they have no more money than us. Goals win matches. | | | |
| Sign a f*cking striker on 09:12 - Dec 31 with 3489 views | stanistheman |
| Sign a f*cking striker on 07:48 - Dec 31 by Wegerles_Stairs |
Bonne is clearly not involved because we'll have to pay more money for him if he plays any more games. He won't play for us again and will disappear for an undisclosed fee (i.e. some magic beans) in January.
It is beyond a joke to compare Luton's striking resources with ours, and yet, they have no more money than us. Goals win matches. |
If that is the reason why Bonne isn’t playing then fair enough. However , it also speaks volumes of the incompetence of the Club not to have signed another strikers in the summer.
Sunderland and Wigan both signed Simms and Broadhead on loan from Everton so there were striker’s available, yet we were left with Dykes, Roberts (not a goalscorer by any stretch of the imagination) and Armstrong a very raw striker clearly not ready for the Championship.
If need be , we will need to sell in January to fund signing some forwards who have movement and scoring capabilities. If we do nothing, we will continue dropping down the table. | | | |
| Sign a f*cking striker on 10:00 - Dec 31 with 3422 views | francisbowles |
| Sign a f*cking striker on 15:04 - Dec 30 by DejR_vu |
We haven't owned a decent striker since our DoF has been at the club, so I can't imagine we're going to start now, although even a broken clock is right twice a day so maybe we'll stumble on one by mistake one day.
If we had a competent DoF perhaps:
1) we would use what little money we have to buy decent players, rather than wasting it on dross. How many genuinely good players have been signed since he arrived?
2) we would have a youth system that produces the odd player that's decent (we've sold Furlong and Kpekawa on his watch, both of whom came through before he arrived. Bowler maybe? The others have been signed post-academy age). That would make (1) easier if we had less holes to plug. And btw, the cr@p about the new training facility making it easier, suggesting that the old facilities were the problem is total horsesh1t. There are other London clubs with facilities no better than the old Heston producing players. It's another in a long line of excuses.
3) we would have a settled style of play that means a coach leaving doesn't cause a massive upheaval
Apparently, this is all far too difficult for QPR, despite other clubs being able to do it. It just seems to be accepted because there are other clubs just as bad. #racetothebottom
It's only been eight years, I guess. |
Name them. | | | |
| Sign a f*cking striker on 10:06 - Dec 31 with 3400 views | Wegerles_Stairs |
| Sign a f*cking striker on 09:12 - Dec 31 by stanistheman |
If that is the reason why Bonne isn’t playing then fair enough. However , it also speaks volumes of the incompetence of the Club not to have signed another strikers in the summer.
Sunderland and Wigan both signed Simms and Broadhead on loan from Everton so there were striker’s available, yet we were left with Dykes, Roberts (not a goalscorer by any stretch of the imagination) and Armstrong a very raw striker clearly not ready for the Championship.
If need be , we will need to sell in January to fund signing some forwards who have movement and scoring capabilities. If we do nothing, we will continue dropping down the table. |
It is complete incompetence, yet those responsible keep getting a free pass. Things will not get any better while the same people are making the decisions unfortunately. | | | |
| Sign a f*cking striker on 10:44 - Dec 31 with 3322 views | R_from_afar |
| Sign a f*cking striker on 12:22 - Dec 30 by BerkoRanger |
Think we are all on the same page here.
Was watching the Sky Sports Prem review at the weekend and listening to the pundits foaming at the mouth over what Prem clubs would spend in the January window. Bournemouth were discussed as they have new owners who want to spend big.
I felt sick to the stomach thinking of how EFL clubs have to even fully cost a loan signing because of bl**dy FFP.
I'm sure our wealthy owners are chomping at the bit to buy big - if it's their hobby, why shouldn't they be allowed to? GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR |
With FFP as it is currently, so, based on revenues, the odds are stacked against clubs like us with modest incomes and small grounds ill equipped for activities which could generate income outside matchdays.
The current system, whether by design or not, naturally gives the larger clubs an advantage and should be replaced by a system which allows all clubs to spend exactly the same amount, so, a single figure for all. |  |
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| Sign a f*cking striker on 11:11 - Dec 31 with 3256 views | NW5Hoop |
"We would use what little money we have to buy decent players, rather than wasting it on dross. How many genuinely good players have been signed since he arrived?"
Looking down the current first team squad, these are all players we signed who have at one time or another been hailed as brilliant buys.
Seny Dieng
Jimmy Dunne
Rob Dickie
Kenneth Paal
Stefan Johansen
Chris Willock
Ilias Chair
Sam Field
That's actually a pretty good hit rate on budget signings. Yes, we have not managed a decent striker, but not many clubs have. People go on about how we should be scouting lower down. Well, I am sure we are. But there are lots of clubs looking and few players to sign. All the players at other Championship clubs who have done well were gambles, too — no one knew they would come good. They hoped. Just as we did with Washington, Bonne, Dykes etc. You have to accept that gambles are gambles — if they were always wins, everyone would be gambling all the time. Even players like Gyokeres, who everyone treats as a blindingly obvious success, was a gamble. Well, his brilliance was that blindingly obvious, why did Brighton let him go on a free? [Post edited 2 Jan 2023 15:46]
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| Sign a f*cking striker on 11:38 - Dec 31 with 3210 views | DejR_vu |
| Sign a f*cking striker on 11:11 - Dec 31 by NW5Hoop |
"We would use what little money we have to buy decent players, rather than wasting it on dross. How many genuinely good players have been signed since he arrived?"
Looking down the current first team squad, these are all players we signed who have at one time or another been hailed as brilliant buys.
Seny Dieng
Jimmy Dunne
Rob Dickie
Kenneth Paal
Stefan Johansen
Chris Willock
Ilias Chair
Sam Field
That's actually a pretty good hit rate on budget signings. Yes, we have not managed a decent striker, but not many clubs have. People go on about how we should be scouting lower down. Well, I am sure we are. But there are lots of clubs looking and few players to sign. All the players at other Championship clubs who have done well were gambles, too — no one knew they would come good. They hoped. Just as we did with Washington, Bonne, Dykes etc. You have to accept that gambles are gambles — if they were always wins, everyone would be gambling all the time. Even players like Gyokeres, who everyone treats as a blindingly obvious success, was a gamble. Well, his brilliance was that blindingly obvious, why did Brighton let him go on a free? [Post edited 2 Jan 2023 15:46]
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Fair challenge.
I would say
(1) how many of those are going to generate big transfer fees (I think it is widely accepted we have a development model and the only way we are going to compete is by selling players for big fees)?
(2) even if you were to accept that list (if we’re accepting Johansen as a good signing, with our model, I think we’re grasping at straws) I’d be interested to see the full list of players signed under his watch. I suspect the bad far outweigh the good.
The reality is our academy is Sh1t, it doesn’t produce any players that we are able to sell for decent money. We haven’t owned s decent striker since Helguson.
Subjectively, we are generally cr@p with the odd spell of optimism. The one decent manager appointed under his watch, who did a good job and made some actual progress, and helped develop the one player we have actually sold for a decent transfer fee, was let go, apparently because he wouldn’t play ball on the cr@p academy, a situation you would have thought would fall within the remit if the DoF to actually manage. | |
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| Sign a f*cking striker on 14:43 - Dec 31 with 3076 views | Bakes |
Don’t think PBBC will be in for Dykes, unless he’s lying (again) of course.
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| Sign a f*cking striker on 16:02 - Dec 31 with 2983 views | swisscottage |
| Sign a f*cking striker on 12:45 - Dec 30 by Rs_Holy |
Gallen was different gravy to Dykes… a much more complete player… Gallen and Furs worked really, really well! |
If you partnered Gallen up front with Dykes, I'm pretty sure Dykes would be a better player for it and I doubt he'd be getting much criticism.
For the most part Dykes plays pretty much on his lonesome with nary a hooped shirt within half a pitch of him. His misses are glaring, I admit, but he's not alone in that department either. | | | |
| Sign a f*cking striker on 16:34 - Dec 31 with 2923 views | paulparker |
Yes we do need a striker and quick the only 2 flaws I can see are
A- we have no money
B- our DOF couldn’t spot a decent striker if his life depended on it
Washington, Yenni, Sylla, polter Bonne and Dykes tells you everything, think how many millions we have wasted on that lot |  |
| And Bowles is onside, Swinburne has come rushing out of his goal , what can Bowles do here , onto the left foot no, on to the right foot
That’s there that’s two, and that’s Bowles
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| Sign a f*cking striker on 17:25 - Dec 31 with 2806 views | PinnerPaul |
| Sign a f*cking striker on 12:34 - Dec 30 by themodfather |
dykes is not an out and out striker, he has effort but is not going to score 20 a season for us.
thing is we created and few of our players got in box to support dykes. |
The 20 goal a season striker is not going to happen, only 5 reached that target last season - the top 2 being PL strikers playing in the wrong league
Goals
1. Aleksandar Mitrovic Fulham 43
2. Dominic Solanke Bournemouth 29
3. Andreas Weimann Bristol City 22
Ben Brereton Blackburn 22
Joël Piroe Swansea 22 | | | |
| Sign a f*cking striker on 17:44 - Dec 31 with 2770 views | golborne |
| Sign a f*cking striker on 11:50 - Dec 30 by Ned_Kennedys |
Anyone heard or read anything about the status of Armstrong and Bonne? Not having either on the bench yesterday was a big mistake.
Dykes works better in a two: we have got results with him as a lone striker but only when our attacking midfielders are firing which none of them are at the moment. |
He did pretty well in a one yesterday - he had the two clearest chances in the game and poss of our season (bar the other sitter he missed a few months back), but couldn’t finish either from 3 yards. The 2nd near the end from Richards low cross was worse than the other when looking back again on tv. I really really like him, but he just isn’t capable of scoring goals and I’d be interested to see his assists stats this season | | | |
| Sign a f*cking striker on 18:50 - Dec 31 with 2683 views | Wegerles_Stairs |
| Sign a f*cking striker on 11:11 - Dec 31 by NW5Hoop |
"We would use what little money we have to buy decent players, rather than wasting it on dross. How many genuinely good players have been signed since he arrived?"
Looking down the current first team squad, these are all players we signed who have at one time or another been hailed as brilliant buys.
Seny Dieng
Jimmy Dunne
Rob Dickie
Kenneth Paal
Stefan Johansen
Chris Willock
Ilias Chair
Sam Field
That's actually a pretty good hit rate on budget signings. Yes, we have not managed a decent striker, but not many clubs have. People go on about how we should be scouting lower down. Well, I am sure we are. But there are lots of clubs looking and few players to sign. All the players at other Championship clubs who have done well were gambles, too — no one knew they would come good. They hoped. Just as we did with Washington, Bonne, Dykes etc. You have to accept that gambles are gambles — if they were always wins, everyone would be gambling all the time. Even players like Gyokeres, who everyone treats as a blindingly obvious success, was a gamble. Well, his brilliance was that blindingly obvious, why did Brighton let him go on a free? [Post edited 2 Jan 2023 15:46]
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To me Johansen is a very poor signing. As Northern has intimated countless times, we should have been identifying a younger midfielder from the lower leagues and then developing them. To sign a player on their way down - and who is constantly injured - goes against everything we're supposed to be doing. | | | |
| Sign a f*cking striker on 10:51 - Jan 1 with 2493 views | Rs_Holy |
| Sign a f*cking striker on 17:25 - Dec 31 by PinnerPaul |
The 20 goal a season striker is not going to happen, only 5 reached that target last season - the top 2 being PL strikers playing in the wrong league
Goals
1. Aleksandar Mitrovic Fulham 43
2. Dominic Solanke Bournemouth 29
3. Andreas Weimann Bristol City 22
Ben Brereton Blackburn 22
Joël Piroe Swansea 22 |
‘our’ top striker was Andre Gray with 10… Chris Willock should make it to double figures this season if stays injury free??? |  | | |
| Sign a f*cking striker on 14:08 - Jan 1 with 2314 views | kensalriser |
| Sign a f*cking striker on 17:25 - Dec 31 by PinnerPaul |
The 20 goal a season striker is not going to happen, only 5 reached that target last season - the top 2 being PL strikers playing in the wrong league
Goals
1. Aleksandar Mitrovic Fulham 43
2. Dominic Solanke Bournemouth 29
3. Andreas Weimann Bristol City 22
Ben Brereton Blackburn 22
Joël Piroe Swansea 22 |
And the last three finished 8th, 15th and 17th.
I think we can all agree that even we're capable of finishing 16th without any player on 20+. |  |
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