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Falkland War from Argentine Eyes 14:48 - Jun 1 with 13258 viewsGroo

A good film with subtitles showing what the Argentine conscripts went through.




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Falkland War from Argentine Eyes on 22:18 - Jun 9 with 1110 viewsBoundy

Falkland War from Argentine Eyes on 20:57 - Jun 9 by onehunglow

1764.

Seventeen sixty four!


It could have been worse, it could have been 1974

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Falkland War from Argentine Eyes on 22:38 - Jun 9 with 1088 viewsKilkennyjack

Falkland War from Argentine Eyes on 22:16 - Jun 9 by Boundy

I don't believe I was addressing you so butt out sonny and let the grown ups talk .


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Falkland War from Argentine Eyes on 01:35 - Jun 10 with 1078 viewsGroo

Oh dear. This is their official Government nonsense. New initiatives appear almost daily.

https://contraeditorial.com/politicas-de-estado-para-recuperar-las-malvinas/?fbc

On November 14, 1973, the National Congress approved Law 20,561, which establishes June 10 as the “Day for the Affirmation of Argentine Rights over the Malvinas, Islands and Antarctic Sector”. The text indicates that in educational settings "special classes and conferences will be held in which the historical antecedents, the legitimacy of Argentine titles and the way in which it is exercised in the southern sector will be indicated." On May 29, 1974, President Juan Domingo Perón decreed that at 11 am that day in all buildings and public offices and embassies of our country would proceed "to carry out an allusive act of reaffirmation of sovereignty."

Our Nation and our people commemorate an event of enormous importance for the country and for our sovereign rights over the Falkland Islands. On June 10, 1829, with the signature of the Governor of Buenos Aires, Martín Rodríguez, the Political and Military Command of the Malvinas Islands and those adjacent to Cape Horn was created, Luis Vernet was appointed to office and entrusted to him "... make the people of said Islands observe the laws of the Republic and take care of the enforcement of regulations on amphibian fishing on their coasts."

"After 188 years of the British usurpation, the United Kingdom continues to have the same interests as when it invaded the Islands by force: taking the wealth that belongs to the 45 million Argentines".

Although since 1810 Argentina has permanently exercised its rights in this region, the creation of the Command is perhaps the most significant act in terms of the effective exercise of sovereignty over those territories. Let us remember as a background that last year we commemorated the 200 years of the first raising of the Argentine flag in the Islands by order of the government of Buenos Aires. Vernet's inauguration in August 1829 is recounted in detail by his wife in his diary: “… at 12 o'clock all the inhabitants gathered, the national flag was raised, at which time twenty-one cannon shots were fired, repeating themselves endlessly to the homeland… ”.

One of the main objectives of this decision was to begin to control, through specific regulations, poaching carried out mainly by British, French and American flag vessels. The riches belonging to our country that these ships were carrying were enormous. For not complying with the norms imposed by our country, Vernet arrested three North American fishing boats in 1831. This caused the United States to send the Corvette USS Lexington to attack Puerto Soledad and destroy a large part of the town. For similar reasons, the British crown forcibly occupied the Malvinas in 1833 and evicted, despite the resistance they encountered, the Argentine population that lived there.

From that moment on, the United Kingdom not only usurped our territory, but illegally and illegitimately plundered the immeasurable wealth that these southern areas possess. This illegal occupation is also used as an argument by the British to claim sovereignty over an important part of the Argentine Antarctic Sector.

After 192 years of the creation of the Malvinas Political and Military Command, Argentina's sovereign rights over the Islands continue to have the same legitimacy, the same strength and the same consensus among the nations of Latin America and the world.

"Alberto Fernández has put the Malvinas cause back at the center of Argentina's foreign policy."

And after 188 years of the British usurpation, the United Kingdom continues to have the same interests as when it invaded the Islands by force: taking the wealth that belongs to the 45 million Argentines, controlling the geopolitically strategic bi-oceanic passage, aspiring to sovereignty in our Antarctic Sector and consolidate a military base that protects its colonial ambition and represents an armed threat to the entire region.

Our country has not consented to the British usurpation and has protested continuously against this act that violates international law. In the same way, it has maintained unwavering the inalienable objective of recovering the effective exercise of sovereignty over the Islands. In this direction, President Alberto Fernández has once again placed the Malvinas cause at the center of Argentina's foreign policy and has sought to generate political and social consensus to advance strategies that strengthen the claim to sovereignty and promote economic development through starting from integrating the territory and the wealth that belong to us in the South Atlantic.

For this reason, on June 10, we pledge to continue working to build State policies aimed at getting the United Kingdom to agree to resume bilateral dialogue. Dialogue that, as the United Nations has exhorted in its Resolution 2065, is the only way to end colonialism and regain the exercise of sovereignty in our Malvinas Islands.

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Falkland War from Argentine Eyes on 14:33 - Jun 10 with 1016 viewsGroo

Someone's' response to the Argentinian bullshit above.

You have to remember that Facundo Rodriguez is a lawyer not a historian, which probably explains why he has got so many things wrong. Also as a lawyer not a historian he has a tendency to lie by omission, forgetting certain inconvenient facts.

1. Two decades is a straight forward lie. No one in Argentine even entertained thoughts of the Falklands until Vernet came up with the idea in 1824. 1824 saw his first attempt at an expedition to the islands, resulting in an abject failure and disaster. During this expedition, they attempted to warn off British sailors who basically told them to get stuffed, Captain Low (British) informing them of the prior British claim. It is almost certainly because of that meeting that Vernet went to the British consulate prior to his 1826 expedition.

2. Rodriguez convenient omits any mention of Vernet's dealings with the British. Including his reports and request for a British garrison. He somehow forgot to mention that the Union Flag flew alongside the Argentine flag.

3. A population of 300 was never achieved that's either a straightforward lie, or a deliberate manipulation by including the crews of British and other foreign vessels sealing in Falklands waters. It peaked at around 150, most of whom took the opportunity to leave in 1831 citing that the Falklands were a miserable place and they'd been deceived by Vernet. At the time of the British return in 1833 there were 26.

4. A crucial point seemingly deliberately omitted was the declaration basically gave authority to Vernet to act within his own means. Vernet had requested a warship and garrison, the government could not provide it and issued this proclamation instead. Rather than showing the strength of the government's position it only shows its weakness.

5. Another point he seemed to have forgotten, it was a proclamation that was issued by an illegal government that had usurped power. All proclamations were declared null and void by the succeeding administration lead by Rosas.

6. The reference to May 25, 1810 is a reference to Utis Possidetis Juris, which was a rough and ready agreement achieved at the Conference of Lima in 1847. This was an agreement between South American states to define their borders at the administrative borders of the former Spanish Empire. Argentina refused to sign. So he is claiming on the basis of an agreement to which Argentina did not agree with, made 37 years later and 18 years after that proclamation. In any case in May 1810, the penal colony of Puerto Soledad was administered from Montevideo, which under the UPJ principle would confer rights to Uruguay not Argentina.

7. The UK hasn't changed its position, not once, on sovereignty. But the world has moved on, we now emphasise the right to self-determination for all BOT. So effectively the UK has devolved its sovereign rights to the people of the Falkland Islands. It hasn't changed its arguments.

8. The UK is so confident of it's position its been prepared to take the dispute to the ICJ. Argentina has always refused. Which nation has a legal weakness?

9. Colonialism. Argentina claims the Falklands as a colonial legacy of Spain, insists the islanders have no right to determine their own future and seeks to impose an alien culture upon the population. I doubt they can lie straight in bed. The British attitude is that it is for the people to decide, Argentina merely wants the land. Which of those attitudes is colonialism?

10. Settlement. Straight invention here, Vernet's operation was limited to Puerto Luis, there were no new "Estancia", they didn't introduce sheep, they were introduced by the British in the 1840s. Cattle weren't improved, Vernet's business model was to exploit the feral cattle, there was no attempt to domesticate or improve the stock.

11. Environmental legislation. Sorry couldn't think of a better title. Vernet's attempts to control fishing and sealing were universally ignored. He seized three American ships bringing the wrath of the USS Lexington upon his settlement.

12. Currency. Nope, Vernet didn't issue currency, he issued promissory notes a kind of truck wages and that could only be spent in his store at inflated prices. Such schemes are no illegal in most countries.

13. Emilio's diaries are interesting, in that they recall they flew the Union flag as well as the Argentine flag. Funny how Rodriguex forgot that.

14. Matilde Vernet y Sáez was not the first child born in the Falklands, nor was there the first marriages etc.

It was the UK that ultimately promoted peaceful, sustainable, useful and forward-looking human development. Argentina has only ever brought death and destruction.

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Falkland War from Argentine Eyes on 14:37 - Jun 10 with 1012 viewsGroo

Another comment (from Facebook)

Lexington Raid

In July 1831, after several warnings against unlawful hunting, Vernet seized three American sealing ships. The property on board the ships was also seized. Vernet personally took one of the ships, the Harriet, to Buenos Aires and never returned. George W. Slacum, the U.S. Consul in Buenos Aires, reacted strongly, called Vernet a pirate, and demanded payment for damages. The U.S. Navy corvette Lexington was in the Río de la Plata at the time and at Slacum's instigation its captain, Silas Duncan, sailed to the islands in late 1831, destroyed Vernet's settlement, and declared the islands res nullis (property of no one). (Vernet Louis, Encyclopedia.com 2020 quoting Cawkell, M. 1983, Gustafson L.S. 1988 & Ravebal E.A.L.,1983).

US Supreme Court Judgment
In January 1839 the United States Supreme Court ruled that Vernet’s seizure of American sealing ships Harriet, Breakwater and Superior in the Falklands in 1831 had been illegal since in US law the Falklands were not part of the ‘dominions within the sovereignty of Buenos Aires.’ Vernet had therefore been guilty of piracy. (Pascoe G, Falklands Facts and Fallacies, 2020 p125 quoting Williams v the Suffolk Insurance company, Supreme Court of the US 1839, Vol 38 (Peters 13) p422).

Vernet’s 1828 Concession Declared Invalid by Argentina
Vernet’s 1828 concession was also declared invalid by the Argentinian government of 1882. In 1882 the Argentinian government declared in congress that the decree of 5 January 1828 was invalid since it had been issued only by the provincial government of Buenos Aires not by the whole congress which alone had power to cede national territories. (Pascoe G, Falklands Facts and Fallacies,2020 , p 95, quoting Argentinian Congress, Buenos Aires, records 29 July 1882, p311).

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