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Bolton Players Refusing To Play Remaining Fixtures 15:35 - Apr 26 with 37079 viewsSandyDrum



Incredible that it has actually come to this.

For those without Twitter:

“The mental pressure has affected some people to the extent that they feel they are unable to perform their jobs sufficiently.

“These are unprecedented circumstances and are affecting every aspect of our lives, placing great strain on ourselves and our families.

“During this time we have remained patient in hope of some explanation but information from the club has been extremely limited and very confusing. What we have been told changes constantly.

“With deep regret we have decided not to fulfil our remaining fixtures unless we are paid.

“We understand that this will disappoint our fans and for this we sincerely apologise.

“We realise this may be seen as drastic action but we feel we have no other options left.

“This decision has not been taken lightly and is not a reaction to this one particular incident.


“We have suffered numerous issues this season, and recent seasons. Brought on by the mismanagement of this club.

“We have been operating in a near untenable environment for some time and it is the accumulation of these issues that have resulted in our decision.”
[Post edited 26 Apr 2019 15:36]

Wish I'd chosen a different username...

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Bolton Players Refusing To Play Remaining Fixtures on 20:45 - Apr 26 with 3359 viewsseasidedale

No points were lost then or as far as i’m Aware any season, there were no financial irregularities, Tommy Cannon may have been overspending but there were no issues
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Bolton Players Refusing To Play Remaining Fixtures on 20:57 - Apr 26 with 3317 views442Dale

Bolton Players Refusing To Play Remaining Fixtures on 20:09 - Apr 26 by Thacks_Rabbits

I remember that era well and I think Steve Doyle had been suspended for 4 games or so. I think we played a game after everyone else had played all there’s, think it was York or Barnet,and naturally we screwed it up.

We did the same vs Burnley after John Ryan scored. Losing 3 1 when they were already champions and did not care until we started kicking them. I think John deary confirmed as much.

I liked Dave Sutton, really genuine chap, spent ages chatting with him at heywood and spotland, would have been a great coach imho but was not a fantastic manager


Doyle got injured against Hereford and never reappeared. We won that game but Sutton then brought in the likes of Mark Leonard and John Stiles when they weren't needed and it disrupted the entire squad.

The Barnet loss was the week after Hereford and the first game after Aldershot's demise meaning we'd had seen a five point swing in our favour over the Bees. Stiles, Leonard and Carl Parker were put straight into the side and we got hammered 3-0. It all went downhill from there. Just typing it winds me up.

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Bolton Players Refusing To Play Remaining Fixtures on 21:00 - Apr 26 with 3300 viewsTVOS1907

Bolton Players Refusing To Play Remaining Fixtures on 19:40 - Apr 26 by kel

Cheers. I’m quite proud of my long term memory but I’ve had a mare there.


I bet you were stood on the terrace v Maidstone, cupping your ears at their seven fans, hoping to get on camera...

When I was your age, I used to enjoy the odd game of tennis. Or was it golf?

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Bolton Players Refusing To Play Remaining Fixtures on 21:01 - Apr 26 with 3298 viewsTVOS1907

Bolton Players Refusing To Play Remaining Fixtures on 19:24 - Apr 26 by Rodingdale

I was at the expunged game at the Rec- 1-1 draw, John Halpen???


Aye, he used to give opponents the runs!

When I was your age, I used to enjoy the odd game of tennis. Or was it golf?

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Bolton Players Refusing To Play Remaining Fixtures on 21:05 - Apr 26 with 3280 viewsTVOS1907

Bolton Players Refusing To Play Remaining Fixtures on 20:33 - Apr 26 by D_Dale

Were Dale docked points in the early 1990s? I vaguely remember various scrapes under chairmen Tommy Cannon and the solicitor who ended up in the slammer, but not the actual deduction of points. How many points were lost, and on what grounds?


I think SuddenLad is referring to the previously-mentioned loss of a point in 1991/92 when Aldershot went bust towards the end of the season.

When I was your age, I used to enjoy the odd game of tennis. Or was it golf?

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Bolton Players Refusing To Play Remaining Fixtures on 22:11 - Apr 26 with 3169 viewskel

Bolton Players Refusing To Play Remaining Fixtures on 21:00 - Apr 26 by TVOS1907

I bet you were stood on the terrace v Maidstone, cupping your ears at their seven fans, hoping to get on camera...


Ooh, I’ll say. No specs to lose in those days though.
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Bolton Players Refusing To Play Remaining Fixtures on 22:22 - Apr 26 with 3143 viewsTVOS1907

Bolton Players Refusing To Play Remaining Fixtures on 22:11 - Apr 26 by kel

Ooh, I’ll say. No specs to lose in those days though.


Suppose you weren't a bad dad back then.

When I was your age, I used to enjoy the odd game of tennis. Or was it golf?

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Bolton Players Refusing To Play Remaining Fixtures on 22:29 - Apr 26 with 3133 viewsdingdangblue

Bolton Players Refusing To Play Remaining Fixtures on 21:05 - Apr 26 by TVOS1907

I think SuddenLad is referring to the previously-mentioned loss of a point in 1991/92 when Aldershot went bust towards the end of the season.


Rather than losing a point we gained 5 on a few teams who had beaten Aldershot twice already. If that is what he means then I wouldn't describe it as 'docked points' as it benefited us hugely (until we capitulated in the run in).

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Bolton Players Refusing To Play Remaining Fixtures on 22:35 - Apr 26 with 3119 views442Dale

Bolton Players Refusing To Play Remaining Fixtures on 22:29 - Apr 26 by dingdangblue

Rather than losing a point we gained 5 on a few teams who had beaten Aldershot twice already. If that is what he means then I wouldn't describe it as 'docked points' as it benefited us hugely (until we capitulated in the run in).


Game off.

https://www.bwfc.co.uk/news/2019/april/club-statement-bolton-wanderers-v-brentfo

The EFL have a massive part to play in all this. These things happen and they are doing nothing.

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Bolton Players Refusing To Play Remaining Fixtures on 22:44 - Apr 26 with 3089 viewsTVOS1907

Bolton Players Refusing To Play Remaining Fixtures on 22:29 - Apr 26 by dingdangblue

Rather than losing a point we gained 5 on a few teams who had beaten Aldershot twice already. If that is what he means then I wouldn't describe it as 'docked points' as it benefited us hugely (until we capitulated in the run in).


Aye, I remember it well, particularly the first of many trips to Barnet.

When I was your age, I used to enjoy the odd game of tennis. Or was it golf?

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Bolton Players Refusing To Play Remaining Fixtures on 22:59 - Apr 26 with 3024 viewsD_Dale

Bolton Players Refusing To Play Remaining Fixtures on 22:35 - Apr 26 by 442Dale

Game off.

https://www.bwfc.co.uk/news/2019/april/club-statement-bolton-wanderers-v-brentfo

The EFL have a massive part to play in all this. These things happen and they are doing nothing.


Yes, the EFL must accept responsibility for exercising due diligence to keep out the many dubious characters who get to control football clubs.

As for Bolton, what are the odds they'll be playing Dale next season - 150/1?
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Bolton Players Refusing To Play Remaining Fixtures on 23:36 - Apr 26 with 2967 viewsdingdangblue

Bolton Players Refusing To Play Remaining Fixtures on 22:44 - Apr 26 by TVOS1907

Aye, I remember it well, particularly the first of many trips to Barnet.


Yes I went to Barnet away (one of my first ever long away league trips). I remember everyone was so confident but they played us off the pitch - we hardly got a kick.
Anyway here are our final 9 results where we went from promotion hopefuls, play off certainties to relegation form!

28 Mar 1992 Barnet v Rochdale L 3-0
31 Mar 1992 Northampton Town v Rochdale D 2-2
04 Apr 1992 Rochdale v Cardiff City W 2-0
07 Apr 1992 Rochdale v Maidstone United L 1-2
11 Apr 1992 Rotherham United v Rochdale L 2-0
20 Apr 1992 Doncaster Rovers v Rochdale L 2-0
22 Apr 1992 Rochdale v Wrexham W 2-1
02 May 1992 Mansfield Town v Rochdale L 2-1
05 May 1992 Rochdale v Burnley L 1-3

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Bolton Players Refusing To Play Remaining Fixtures on 07:04 - Apr 27 with 2823 viewsRodingdale

Bolton Players Refusing To Play Remaining Fixtures on 19:56 - Apr 26 by D_Dale

Yes, John Halpin (one of the two goals he scored that season).

There'll be a few Championship players felling uneasy tonight that their goals against Bolton risk being expunged.


Was also there when he broke his ankle sliding into / under the hoarding at the Sandy Lane, think he was playing for Carlisle at the time - Apologies - I digress....
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Bolton Players Refusing To Play Remaining Fixtures on 07:04 - Apr 27 with 2822 viewsBigDaveMyCock

I recall us playing and beating Aldershot 4-0 at the start of 90-91 season Hilditch scored 2 on his second debut (I think). Aldershot went bust that season didn’t they?

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Bolton Players Refusing To Play Remaining Fixtures on 07:21 - Apr 27 with 2804 viewsBartRowou

Bolton Players Refusing To Play Remaining Fixtures on 07:04 - Apr 27 by BigDaveMyCock

I recall us playing and beating Aldershot 4-0 at the start of 90-91 season Hilditch scored 2 on his second debut (I think). Aldershot went bust that season didn’t they?


Think yer right.
Found this the other night. Oh for the dulcet tones of David Fletcher.


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Bolton Players Refusing To Play Remaining Fixtures on 07:30 - Apr 27 with 2789 views442Dale

Bolton Players Refusing To Play Remaining Fixtures on 07:04 - Apr 27 by BigDaveMyCock

I recall us playing and beating Aldershot 4-0 at the start of 90-91 season Hilditch scored 2 on his second debut (I think). Aldershot went bust that season didn’t they?


Yes. Yes, they did.

Or in March 1992 and we ended up with Barry Cowdrill at left back every week.

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Bolton Players Refusing To Play Remaining Fixtures on 09:59 - Apr 27 with 2574 viewsSuddenLad

Bolton Players Refusing To Play Remaining Fixtures on 07:04 - Apr 27 by Rodingdale

Was also there when he broke his ankle sliding into / under the hoarding at the Sandy Lane, think he was playing for Carlisle at the time - Apologies - I digress....


You're right about the collision with the hoardings, but it was his leg he broke, as it slid under the fixed panels.

“It is easier to fool people, than to convince them that they have been fooled”

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Bolton Players Refusing To Play Remaining Fixtures on 10:04 - Apr 27 with 2550 viewsSuddenLad

Check out @TheJackDearden’s Tweet:


What more punishment do they need ? Points deduction is useless for a team already relegated. Financial punishment for a club with no money is futile.

“It is easier to fool people, than to convince them that they have been fooled”

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Bolton Players Refusing To Play Remaining Fixtures on 10:25 - Apr 27 with 2507 viewsAncoats_Blue

Bolton Players Refusing To Play Remaining Fixtures on 10:04 - Apr 27 by SuddenLad

Check out @TheJackDearden’s Tweet:


What more punishment do they need ? Points deduction is useless for a team already relegated. Financial punishment for a club with no money is futile.


I might be wrong but I thought there was a cut off date for applying points deductions in the same season the “offence” occurs. So, if the offence happened in the final Nth period of the season then the points are taken off the following season.

Might be bollox and I’m probably just hoping bury and Bolton are nailed on relegation Certs for next season so we have 2 spots less to worry about*


*if we stay up
[Post edited 27 Apr 2019 10:26]
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Bolton Players Refusing To Play Remaining Fixtures on 10:45 - Apr 27 with 2456 viewsfrenzied

cant remember the background to the points deduction that Luton had inflicted on them several yrs ago..effectively relegated them out of league 2 completely..im sure it was about 19 points..

Bolton should suffer a similar penalty at least..i doubt any of the players are struggling to pay the gas and leccy..the non playing staff are the ones I most sympathise with if they aren't getting paid..gas leccy mortgage all under threat for them.
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Bolton Players Refusing To Play Remaining Fixtures on 10:54 - Apr 27 with 2425 viewsD_Alien

Bolton Players Refusing To Play Remaining Fixtures on 10:45 - Apr 27 by frenzied

cant remember the background to the points deduction that Luton had inflicted on them several yrs ago..effectively relegated them out of league 2 completely..im sure it was about 19 points..

Bolton should suffer a similar penalty at least..i doubt any of the players are struggling to pay the gas and leccy..the non playing staff are the ones I most sympathise with if they aren't getting paid..gas leccy mortgage all under threat for them.


It's an interesting point about players, many presumably on at least £5k per week if not considerably more, struggling with paying bills after one month

Don't get me wrong - they should be paid on time like everyone else in employment. But surely on that income level, some is set aside?

As you say, it's the backroom staff who'd suffer the most, and the majority of players would find another club (even if it means dropping down a division and to say, £4k per week) quite easily during the summer
[Post edited 27 Apr 2019 10:56]

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Bolton Players Refusing To Play Remaining Fixtures on 11:05 - Apr 27 with 2395 viewsSuddenLad

Bolton Players Refusing To Play Remaining Fixtures on 10:45 - Apr 27 by frenzied

cant remember the background to the points deduction that Luton had inflicted on them several yrs ago..effectively relegated them out of league 2 completely..im sure it was about 19 points..

Bolton should suffer a similar penalty at least..i doubt any of the players are struggling to pay the gas and leccy..the non playing staff are the ones I most sympathise with if they aren't getting paid..gas leccy mortgage all under threat for them.


I think it was minus 30 points, which effectively relegated them to the Conference before the season kicked off. There were a host of charges relating to financial mismanagement and rule breaking over an extended period, so they were dealt with harshly. And properly.

“It is easier to fool people, than to convince them that they have been fooled”

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Bolton Players Refusing To Play Remaining Fixtures on 11:06 - Apr 27 with 2389 viewsAncoats_Blue

Bolton Players Refusing To Play Remaining Fixtures on 10:54 - Apr 27 by D_Alien

It's an interesting point about players, many presumably on at least £5k per week if not considerably more, struggling with paying bills after one month

Don't get me wrong - they should be paid on time like everyone else in employment. But surely on that income level, some is set aside?

As you say, it's the backroom staff who'd suffer the most, and the majority of players would find another club (even if it means dropping down a division and to say, £4k per week) quite easily during the summer
[Post edited 27 Apr 2019 10:56]


Usually the more you earn the higher your expenses. I’d bet that someone on £5k a week is going to have a car , mortgage, credit card bill far greater than anyone on £500 a week.

Whatever your income level if it suddenly dries up you’re going to have problems. I can’t believe the players have taken this long to strike and hopefully it sets a precedent.
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Bolton Players Refusing To Play Remaining Fixtures on 11:10 - Apr 27 with 2370 viewsaleanddale

Bolton Players Refusing To Play Remaining Fixtures on 11:06 - Apr 27 by Ancoats_Blue

Usually the more you earn the higher your expenses. I’d bet that someone on £5k a week is going to have a car , mortgage, credit card bill far greater than anyone on £500 a week.

Whatever your income level if it suddenly dries up you’re going to have problems. I can’t believe the players have taken this long to strike and hopefully it sets a precedent.


Agreed - take note bURY

( oh wait a minute there is that final bar of white chocolate on offer ).
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Bolton Players Refusing To Play Remaining Fixtures on 11:10 - Apr 27 with 2368 viewsSandyman

EFL says Bolton "must fulfil fixtures"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48077182

How are they going to make that happen? Play the (presumably unpaid) youth team or what?
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