| Net spend in the Premier League since June 2014 20:46 - Apr 30 with 13983 views | MyFinalHeaven |
Since Laudrup left we've been at or around the bottom of every table, whether it's the league table, net spend, goals scored, chances created, shots on target, goals conceded, etc. Utterly pathetic all around. |  |
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| Net spend in the Premier League since June 2014 on 20:47 - Apr 30 with 9167 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
Guess what happens if we get relegated? |  |
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| Net spend in the Premier League since June 2014 on 20:48 - Apr 30 with 9163 views | pencoedjack |
You keep selling your best players & replace with dross the inevitable will happen |  | | |
| Net spend in the Premier League since June 2014 on 20:50 - Apr 30 with 9150 views | thereisnospoon |
pretty sure we're #1 in the "most managers sacked" table and the "highest severance payout" table
funny jenkins and the yanks always feign poverty and say we have no money to spend in the summer but all of a sudden come december time they all of a sudden have boatloads of money to pay for the sacking of the manager and his staff and the money to hire a new gaffer and staff. clearly there's money there. they just want to keep it for themselves. shambolic stuff |  | | |
| Net spend in the Premier League since June 2014 on 20:52 - Apr 30 with 9137 views | Jackfath |
What another cheery thread.
Have we been relegated yet? |  |
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| Net spend in the Premier League since June 2014 on 20:52 - Apr 30 with 9138 views | Glyn1 |
| Net spend in the Premier League since June 2014 on 20:48 - Apr 30 by pencoedjack |
You keep selling your best players & replace with dross the inevitable will happen |
Our best players all wanted to leave, and we don't have a criminal bankrolling us. |  |
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| Net spend in the Premier League since June 2014 on 20:54 - Apr 30 with 9133 views | MyFinalHeaven |
| Net spend in the Premier League since June 2014 on 20:47 - Apr 30 by JACKMANANDBOY |
Guess what happens if we get relegated? |
With how greedy and covetous the Yanks have behaved thus far and have behaved throughout their histories (see my thread I made about Levien and Kaplan's unsavoury careers), it's very, very naive to think that the profits we've made over the years and the parachute payments will go towards building a squad capable of being promoted back to the PL. At the moment relegation to League 1 seems more likely with the dross we have. | |
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| Net spend in the Premier League since June 2014 on 20:54 - Apr 30 with 9133 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| Net spend in the Premier League since June 2014 on 20:52 - Apr 30 by Jackfath |
What another cheery thread.
Have we been relegated yet? |
No, but judging by this table we are trying very hard. [Post edited 30 Apr 2018 21:01]
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| Net spend in the Premier League since June 2014 on 20:59 - Apr 30 with 9115 views | Joe_Allen |
| Net spend in the Premier League since June 2014 on 20:50 - Apr 30 by thereisnospoon |
pretty sure we're #1 in the "most managers sacked" table and the "highest severance payout" table
funny jenkins and the yanks always feign poverty and say we have no money to spend in the summer but all of a sudden come december time they all of a sudden have boatloads of money to pay for the sacking of the manager and his staff and the money to hire a new gaffer and staff. clearly there's money there. they just want to keep it for themselves. shambolic stuff |
That's what I don't get about this club. The yanks keep saying that every cent that's made is reinvested back into the club and that all that can be spent on transfers is done so, and yet every season when it's Winter and we sack the manager we magically have money to pay him and his staff out. If everything is spent, where the hell is all this money coming from? |  | | |
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| Net spend in the Premier League since June 2014 on 21:03 - Apr 30 with 9087 views | Dr_Winston |
| Net spend in the Premier League since June 2014 on 20:59 - Apr 30 by Joe_Allen |
That's what I don't get about this club. The yanks keep saying that every cent that's made is reinvested back into the club and that all that can be spent on transfers is done so, and yet every season when it's Winter and we sack the manager we magically have money to pay him and his staff out. If everything is spent, where the hell is all this money coming from? |
Next season's transfer budget.
We've spent plenty on players. We just don't get as much bang for our buck as we used to. Constant chopping and changing of managers and playing styles don't help with that. |  |
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| Net spend in the Premier League since June 2014 on 21:04 - Apr 30 with 9079 views | pencoedjack |
| Net spend in the Premier League since June 2014 on 20:52 - Apr 30 by Glyn1 |
Our best players all wanted to leave, and we don't have a criminal bankrolling us. |
But we have a shite DOF reinventing the money from player sales | | | |
| Net spend in the Premier League since June 2014 on 21:08 - Apr 30 with 9070 views | Joe_Allen |
| Net spend in the Premier League since June 2014 on 20:52 - Apr 30 by Glyn1 |
Our best players all wanted to leave, and we don't have a criminal bankrolling us. |
Oh please, this is complete utter nonsense. This has nothing to do with a criminal bankrolling us or not. To say that would be completely letting the club leadership off the hook and the awful job they have done. It's about buying good replacements. It's not that we don't have an oligarch or an Arab sheikh at the helm. It's that we don't have a competent recruitment staff.
Just look at Sevilla. Our wage bill and budget dwarfs theirs, they have positive net spends every year, and they're forced to sell their best players season after season. And yet from 2013-2016 they won 3 straight Europa League titles. What made the difference is that unlike us, they are actually able to find decent replacements for their departing stars, consistently replacing them with equal if not better talent. Same goes for Porto, Benfica, Udinese, etc. who also are always forced to part with their stars. [Post edited 30 Apr 2018 21:12]
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| Net spend in the Premier League since June 2014 on 21:17 - Apr 30 with 9041 views | Loyal |
| Net spend in the Premier League since June 2014 on 20:52 - Apr 30 by Jackfath |
What another cheery thread.
Have we been relegated yet? |
We both know we won't be.
Tight, but no relegation this year. |  |
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| Net spend in the Premier League since June 2014 on 21:18 - Apr 30 with 9032 views | icecoldjack |
| Net spend in the Premier League since June 2014 on 20:52 - Apr 30 by Glyn1 |
Our best players all wanted to leave, and we don't have a criminal bankrolling us. |
Yes ,they want to leave but because we sell our best players !
Lack of ambition means good players will leave at the absolute first chance, even then what happened to Huws lie of selling players when it's right for SCFC ?
There is a real problem at the Swans and has been for years, it's due to the fact we have an utter incompetent in charge day to day, we are talking about the man who wouldn't offer Pablo an extension to his contract of 12 months but then extends utter no hopers and players that are well past it by up to 4 yrs !!
He pays £17m for Clueless when to my knowledge no other club even looked at him ! signs Borja to play in a system that would never in a million years work for him(and we all knew it) ditto Gomes.
It was harder to fook up the club than keep it ticking over nicely by maintaining our ethos and brand of nice football but he managed to do just that with the calamity of keeping Monk around to stir up trouble( monks fake back injury) then appoint him manager ! all went down hill from there really.
I'm not sure anyone at the top end of the club fancies the hardwork to right the wrongs either, i think they will hang around picking up money until relegation then fook off to the Sun and stay away from Swansea for ever more. |  | | |
| Net spend in the Premier League since June 2014 on 21:22 - Apr 30 with 9022 views | Dr_Winston |
They want to leave because other clubs offer them more money than we can afford to. Let's not pretend that someone like Sigurdsson would have stuck around if we'd spent another £20m on players.
Our best will always want to move on for bigger wages elsewhere. It's a fact of life for 99% of football clubs. The best we can do is minimise the impact those departures have, maximise the fees received and replace them well.
None of which we've been doing anything like well enough since about 2014. | |
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| Net spend in the Premier League since June 2014 on 21:25 - Apr 30 with 9012 views | Joe_Allen |
| Net spend in the Premier League since June 2014 on 21:03 - Apr 30 by Dr_Winston |
Next season's transfer budget.
We've spent plenty on players. We just don't get as much bang for our buck as we used to. Constant chopping and changing of managers and playing styles don't help with that. |
That's not how it works. They money clubs receive from the Premier League is distributed at the end of the season after tallying the merit payment (prize money dependent on finish), number of live broadcasts, and facility fees. If we're spending next season's budget before even getting the money, that must mean we're taking out a bunch of loans and borrowing like mad. | | | |
| Net spend in the Premier League since June 2014 on 21:29 - Apr 30 with 8999 views | icecoldjack |
| Net spend in the Premier League since June 2014 on 21:22 - Apr 30 by Dr_Winston |
They want to leave because other clubs offer them more money than we can afford to. Let's not pretend that someone like Sigurdsson would have stuck around if we'd spent another £20m on players.
Our best will always want to move on for bigger wages elsewhere. It's a fact of life for 99% of football clubs. The best we can do is minimise the impact those departures have, maximise the fees received and replace them well.
None of which we've been doing anything like well enough since about 2014. |
I'm not so sure on Siggy, it was quite clear to him that the writing was on the wall and as a result of us not spending money on quality it was getting harder fo rhim to progress as a player and enjoy his football.
His last few seasons he looked like he had the weight of the world on his shoulders, he certainly had the weight of the clubs prem status on them! i
Of course players will always move on, and at Swansea it's a big part of that being a stepping stone club but the right environment means those players are less inclined to look for the first offer out . | | | |
| Net spend in the Premier League since June 2014 on 21:30 - Apr 30 with 8998 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| Net spend in the Premier League since June 2014 on 21:18 - Apr 30 by icecoldjack |
Yes ,they want to leave but because we sell our best players !
Lack of ambition means good players will leave at the absolute first chance, even then what happened to Huws lie of selling players when it's right for SCFC ?
There is a real problem at the Swans and has been for years, it's due to the fact we have an utter incompetent in charge day to day, we are talking about the man who wouldn't offer Pablo an extension to his contract of 12 months but then extends utter no hopers and players that are well past it by up to 4 yrs !!
He pays £17m for Clueless when to my knowledge no other club even looked at him ! signs Borja to play in a system that would never in a million years work for him(and we all knew it) ditto Gomes.
It was harder to fook up the club than keep it ticking over nicely by maintaining our ethos and brand of nice football but he managed to do just that with the calamity of keeping Monk around to stir up trouble( monks fake back injury) then appoint him manager ! all went down hill from there really.
I'm not sure anyone at the top end of the club fancies the hardwork to right the wrongs either, i think they will hang around picking up money until relegation then fook off to the Sun and stay away from Swansea for ever more. |
The club is tainted, our good wholesome "doing things the right way" ethos rotting away under the liberty soil. The O Keefe and Penney case just underlines it.
What a pity HJ's ego couldn't handle Laudrups success. |  |
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| Net spend in the Premier League since June 2014 on 21:34 - Apr 30 with 8988 views | Dr_Winston |
| Net spend in the Premier League since June 2014 on 21:25 - Apr 30 by Joe_Allen |
That's not how it works. They money clubs receive from the Premier League is distributed at the end of the season after tallying the merit payment (prize money dependent on finish), number of live broadcasts, and facility fees. If we're spending next season's budget before even getting the money, that must mean we're taking out a bunch of loans and borrowing like mad. |
Club regularly runs on loans and overdrafts because TV money comes in batches. | |
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| Net spend in the Premier League since June 2014 on 21:34 - Apr 30 with 8987 views | Flashberryjack |
| Net spend in the Premier League since June 2014 on 20:48 - Apr 30 by pencoedjack |
You keep selling your best players & replace with dross the inevitable will happen |
Routledge, Dyer and Carol were the subs we brought on against Chelsea...tells it's own story of the dross we've bought. |  |
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| Net spend in the Premier League since June 2014 on 21:37 - Apr 30 with 8971 views | icecoldjack |
| Net spend in the Premier League since June 2014 on 21:30 - Apr 30 by Brynmill_Jack |
The club is tainted, our good wholesome "doing things the right way" ethos rotting away under the liberty soil. The O Keefe and Penney case just underlines it.
What a pity HJ's ego couldn't handle Laudrups success. |
Agree 100%
The O'keefe and Penny case needs to be held up as the absolute reason not to trust a single word big nose ever says RE the club going forward or what he's said in the past, most on here know it in fairness.
How could the club fook up such a great brand ? what they had with Martinez ,Sousa ,Rodgers and Laudrup was a perfect stepping stone for continential players to step into the premier league playing football they are totally comfortable with from the get go, a small club playing European football was the perfect way to attract good players, the model worked, why did Garry Monk think we needed to change into something so different ? | | | |
| Net spend in the Premier League since June 2014 on 21:38 - Apr 30 with 8974 views | Jackfath |
| Net spend in the Premier League since June 2014 on 21:17 - Apr 30 by Loyal |
We both know we won't be.
Tight, but no relegation this year. |
Correct my learned friend. | |
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| Net spend in the Premier League since June 2014 on 21:41 - Apr 30 with 8962 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Net spend in the Premier League since June 2014 on 21:18 - Apr 30 by icecoldjack |
Yes ,they want to leave but because we sell our best players !
Lack of ambition means good players will leave at the absolute first chance, even then what happened to Huws lie of selling players when it's right for SCFC ?
There is a real problem at the Swans and has been for years, it's due to the fact we have an utter incompetent in charge day to day, we are talking about the man who wouldn't offer Pablo an extension to his contract of 12 months but then extends utter no hopers and players that are well past it by up to 4 yrs !!
He pays £17m for Clueless when to my knowledge no other club even looked at him ! signs Borja to play in a system that would never in a million years work for him(and we all knew it) ditto Gomes.
It was harder to fook up the club than keep it ticking over nicely by maintaining our ethos and brand of nice football but he managed to do just that with the calamity of keeping Monk around to stir up trouble( monks fake back injury) then appoint him manager ! all went down hill from there really.
I'm not sure anyone at the top end of the club fancies the hardwork to right the wrongs either, i think they will hang around picking up money until relegation then fook off to the Sun and stay away from Swansea for ever more. |
Can’t argue mate.
Very thought provoking that.
Whats your take on the heavy academy investment ?
Creating players, or creating a physical asset to sell on ? [Post edited 30 Apr 2018 21:41]
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| Net spend in the Premier League since June 2014 on 21:42 - Apr 30 with 8950 views | awayjack |
| Net spend in the Premier League since June 2014 on 21:22 - Apr 30 by Dr_Winston |
They want to leave because other clubs offer them more money than we can afford to. Let's not pretend that someone like Sigurdsson would have stuck around if we'd spent another £20m on players.
Our best will always want to move on for bigger wages elsewhere. It's a fact of life for 99% of football clubs. The best we can do is minimise the impact those departures have, maximise the fees received and replace them well.
None of which we've been doing anything like well enough since about 2014. |
Yup we've spent a small fortune replacing decent players with dross since our new DOF took over. Also been through 6 managers in same period. From the most admired clubs to basket case because of greed. Those responsible will be remembered. |  | | |
| Net spend in the Premier League since June 2014 on 21:45 - Apr 30 with 8941 views | Neath_Jack |
Miserable, miserable people.
Paragraph after paragraph of pain and misery.
Some seem to revel in it. |  |
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| Net spend in the Premier League since June 2014 on 22:00 - Apr 30 with 8904 views | icecoldjack |
| Net spend in the Premier League since June 2014 on 21:41 - Apr 30 by Kilkennyjack |
Can’t argue mate.
Very thought provoking that.
Whats your take on the heavy academy investment ?
Creating players, or creating a physical asset to sell on ? [Post edited 30 Apr 2018 21:41]
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I think it's Huws pet project and a chance for him to play at being a football man, buy somebody for a million and sell them on for a profit, so far it's not worked out.
It looks like Mcburnie may generate a fee but we don't know what was payed for him so difficult to know once wages are taken into account just how much we'd make . The more likely thing is that we will offer him a new deal .
As for other young players, i think the club are paying market value in terms of wages, but i also think many of them have been already looked at and deemed not good enough .
Matt Grimes is an example, i think if he was any good we would have struggled to get him ahead of many other clubs, i think we got done on that deal, compare with Eathan Ampadu, no fooking about there, Chelsea did everything in the book to make sure they got him, no such fighting over Grimes or that kid Donnelly who if Everton or Liverpool were really interested would have gone there.
The reason we ended up with those players is because other scouts and clubs passed them over, there are always those who slip through the net but overall spending millions on talent others deem not good enough is not really going to help us either, especially after 4yrs of wages are tagged onto the fee .
Our best chance is and IMO always will be with local talent in the south wales area, even Alex Fergurson once remarked how S.Wales has so much raw talent and was the place to be looking, for the fee of Matt Grimes we could have done some real business in this area but to my knowledge we've not got anywhere near fulfilling the potential of a premier league club with such a great catchment area .
Overall typical Swans, Jenkins is playing with money that could be spent on better things .
That's just my take on the outside looking in so happy to stand corrected by those with better knowledge on the subject. | | | |
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