| Ollie 09:58 - Mar 23 with 24088 views | Gloucs_R |
Where are we all at now with him?
He's playing a number of younger players
We're not getting relegated this season
He's got his own scouting team in place now
Ramsey has been brought into the first team set up
We've switched to 4-2-3-1 which works better for us
Do we stick with him for another year?
I've always wanted him to do well but he's pushed my over the egde this season a few times. Mainly with the whole 5 at the back system..and I don't care if Dave Mc says Ollie never wanted to play this system..he did, he stuck by it and we were mainly poor.
As long as he has an experienced coach in the dug out with him, I'd stick for the time being.
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| Ollie on 11:42 - Mar 25 with 2781 views | TGRRRSSS |
Overall he's fulfilled his brief, and he's done rather well on small budgets elsewhere, notably at Blackpool.
IN terms of the defence, I am minded to think he could do with someone who comes in to look at that side of things, as a manager Ollie isn't not necessarily the man to oversee facets within themselves.
Funny some criticism of Bircham, wasn't =long ago some on here were calling for Bircham and Clint Hill to be joint managers.
It is confusing at times though, and we still seem to get far to many injuries especially to certain players who are constantly in and out with some niggle or other - not sure why but the medical side needs to be looked at too I'd guess from this POV.
Obviously in WF finally comes off maybe we'll be in a better position as I often wonder about the training facilities we have could be part of the problem in injury terms.
Overall Id say stick for me, he's a very experienced manager with many games, as said elsewhere for every Wagner there are many utter failures coming over who simply fail and play dire football. |  | | |
| Ollie on 12:00 - Mar 25 with 2755 views | LythamR |
| Ollie on 16:50 - Mar 23 by qprd |
To me, the board has to be honest with itself and assess what the goalposts are for next year.
Are we planning to continue consolidating our position in the Championship, or are we planning on making a promotion push?
If the former, I have no issues with Ollie staying- he's succeeded in this capacity twice before. He's also shown a commitment to developing young players, which is a positive.
If the latter, the board has to let Ollie go because he's not the man to lead us to the playoff positions. All the teams at the top of the table have shown some element of consistency; consistency comes from having a solid spine and good defense that can keep clean sheets or only surrender a goal. In 1+ year with us, Ollie has proven he cant coach defenses to keep clean sheets. Despite having arguably the best shot stopper in the division and two really good centerbacks (and loads of experience behind them), we've kept very few clean sheets. We will never have the defensive consistency under Ollie to push for the playoffs. The pattern of a few great results followed by a four or five goal thrashing is not a recipe for promotion.
I am a patient QPR fan and can accept another year like this one, provided I see more of a commitment to developing the likes of Eze, Smyth and Chair.
The board needs to honestly assess what they want from next year and proceed accordingly. |
"The board needs to honestly assess what they want from next year and proceed accordingly."
On the basis of the remit for the club since Olly took over he has achieved what was required.
What we dont really know is what the dynamic is off the field between Ferdinand, Hoos, Ramsey, Olly, Bircham and and the players
If the dynamic is positive and steady progression continues to be the strategy then he should stay. If the overall dynamic is not great and the board believe they can bring in a more effective manager for the objectives for the next couple of seasons then its time to thank holloway and move on
Either way I am delighted that we have finally got through a season without changing manager part way through |  | | |
| Ollie on 14:43 - Mar 25 with 2618 views | kensalriser |
| Ollie on 12:42 - Mar 24 by Northernr |
Indeed, Norwich were so taken by Wagner at Huddersfield that they poached Huddersfield's DOF for this season and told him to do it again, so he went to Borussia Dortmund and appointed their reserve team manager again just like Wagner, and they and he have been pretty rubbish all season on a big parachute payment. |
The pitfalls of believing something that worked one time is a genius strategy and not just lucky happenstance. |  |
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| Ollie on 14:53 - Mar 25 with 2601 views | TacticalR |
| Ollie on 14:43 - Mar 25 by kensalriser |
The pitfalls of believing something that worked one time is a genius strategy and not just lucky happenstance. |
I thought you couldn't go wrong with hirsute North Rhine-Westphalians? |  |
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| Ollie on 14:55 - Mar 25 with 2593 views | terryb |
I really enjoyed listening to that.
The reaction of Andy Sinton to Ollie's reply of how much Fulham are paying for Mitrovich (sp?) was a classic - "Loan fee & his wages" "arghh!", told us all where we still are financially.
Maybe, just maybe, next season will be more exciting & entertaining. |  | | |
| Ollie on 15:27 - Mar 25 with 2561 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
He has a very philosophical and technical view of the game, which he rarely shows.
He's an intelligent guy underneath the Racoon baiting. [Post edited 25 Mar 2018 15:28]
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| Ollie on 15:37 - Mar 25 with 2537 views | itsbiga |
I'd like him to stay next season. Things look like they are finally stabilizing and a new manager and staff and all the upheaval that comes with it would be a huge dice roll.
Not sure who we'd get anyway being as they wont have any pocket money to spend.
Push on and finish top 10 next year.... A goalscorer would put us in good stead.
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| Ollie on 16:05 - Mar 25 with 2501 views | Northernr |
| Ollie on 15:27 - Mar 25 by BazzaInTheLoft |
He has a very philosophical and technical view of the game, which he rarely shows.
He's an intelligent guy underneath the Racoon baiting. [Post edited 25 Mar 2018 15:28]
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Problem is, like Westbourne says, I think he gets caught sometimes with trying to prove that, prove what a clever manager he is, prove how tactical he is and how deeply he thinks about things. That's usually when it all collapses into a pile of random team selections and tactical messes. When he sticks to a basic system, consistent team selection, he's fine.
Twice in two seasons now we've snapped bad runs in large part by looking at the stats to see who covers the most ground, finding out it's Manning and Wszolek, and picking them both in their best positions. |  | | |
| Ollie on 16:13 - Mar 25 with 2492 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Ollie on 16:05 - Mar 25 by Northernr |
Problem is, like Westbourne says, I think he gets caught sometimes with trying to prove that, prove what a clever manager he is, prove how tactical he is and how deeply he thinks about things. That's usually when it all collapses into a pile of random team selections and tactical messes. When he sticks to a basic system, consistent team selection, he's fine.
Twice in two seasons now we've snapped bad runs in large part by looking at the stats to see who covers the most ground, finding out it's Manning and Wszolek, and picking them both in their best positions. |
That's a long stretch away from him being stupid though, which is Westbourne's accusation.
He's big enough to admit errors, and smart enough to implement change. There are two managers in charge of arguably Britains two biggest clubs who are looking shaky for not changing.
He impressed me with his insight on that Loftcast is all. | | | |
| Ollie on 17:19 - Mar 25 with 2443 views | PinnerPaul |
| Ollie on 05:17 - Mar 25 by isawqpratwcity |
I'm still here, watching and waiting.
He isn't going to be sacked this summer, nor am I calling for it at the moment. It is also not the time to be giving him another contract as his current contract doesn't expire until summer 2019.
Let's wait and see... |
Waiting for what exactly? | | | |
| Ollie on 18:52 - Mar 25 with 2395 views | bosh67 |
| Ollie on 16:05 - Mar 25 by Northernr |
Problem is, like Westbourne says, I think he gets caught sometimes with trying to prove that, prove what a clever manager he is, prove how tactical he is and how deeply he thinks about things. That's usually when it all collapses into a pile of random team selections and tactical messes. When he sticks to a basic system, consistent team selection, he's fine.
Twice in two seasons now we've snapped bad runs in large part by looking at the stats to see who covers the most ground, finding out it's Manning and Wszolek, and picking them both in their best positions. |
You're right Clive. Ollie is his own worst enemy. Bloody mindedness in the main part. Most QPR teams and certainly this group of players are not 3-5-2 by nature. We are a 4-4-2, 4-3-3 and 4-4-1-1 team given what we have. As you say, play players in their best positions and actually use width and pace and it's not rocket science to see why we have improved quite quickly.
I am saying this now before the Reading game, which we should get something from but only if we go in with shape and intensity.
The main problem with Ollie is that he overthinks it. Keep it simple and and we are okay. |  |
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| Ollie on 19:05 - Mar 25 with 2372 views | BrianMcCarthy |
There's still so many people who are either not convinced or don't want to be. To be fair, most people on here are sound and are of the former camp and are genuine in their feelings. On facebook, many are in the latter camp and revel in his (and our) losses, because they opposed his appointment and hate to be seen to change their mind.
No matter what Holloway does, there will always be a thread like this every time we lose a game or two. |  |
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| Ollie on 19:47 - Mar 25 with 2321 views | W13R |
I don't usually comment on these threads as it usually ends with a few saying you're not real supporter unless you agree with them. My take is, see if we keep improving or is it the usual small run of good games that we have. The stats are still not great i.e. lost more than we have won or drawn so far, so hopefully the change in tactics has reversed some of the shocking games I have witnessed this season.
My main issue with Ollie is the same old sound bites we have heard over many years. Most people I know who do not support us think he is a bit of a clown. Now I know we are a bit of a circus sometimes but do we really need a clown in charge of the team?
I have supported the R's for over 40 years so have seen some good times but sadly more average/bad.
It leaves a bad taste in my mouth that both Brentford and Fulham are run better and actually most probably play better than us also at this moment in time.
Ollie was appointed to keep the fan base happy after the Jimmy and Chris sh*t show. My god they took some stick compared to him but are the results and football really any better?
Now, before some of you shout who else would you suggest....... well we had him but we let him join Cardiff. |  | | |
| Ollie on 20:13 - Mar 25 with 2292 views | danehoop |
| Ollie on 19:47 - Mar 25 by W13R |
I don't usually comment on these threads as it usually ends with a few saying you're not real supporter unless you agree with them. My take is, see if we keep improving or is it the usual small run of good games that we have. The stats are still not great i.e. lost more than we have won or drawn so far, so hopefully the change in tactics has reversed some of the shocking games I have witnessed this season.
My main issue with Ollie is the same old sound bites we have heard over many years. Most people I know who do not support us think he is a bit of a clown. Now I know we are a bit of a circus sometimes but do we really need a clown in charge of the team?
I have supported the R's for over 40 years so have seen some good times but sadly more average/bad.
It leaves a bad taste in my mouth that both Brentford and Fulham are run better and actually most probably play better than us also at this moment in time.
Ollie was appointed to keep the fan base happy after the Jimmy and Chris sh*t show. My god they took some stick compared to him but are the results and football really any better?
Now, before some of you shout who else would you suggest....... well we had him but we let him join Cardiff. |
Some re-imagining of history for the last part of your post about Colin. |  |
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| Ollie on 20:38 - Mar 25 with 2258 views | CiderwithRsie |
| Ollie on 11:09 - Mar 23 by Northernr |
Of course. Holloway, Ferdinand, Fernandes, Penrice - they'd all dearly love to be spending money. Fernandes would chuck another load at it in a heartbeat. Simple fact, we're not allowed, and no amount of pushing by the manager is going to change that. |
Given Fernandes' previous record, if we're not spending it isn't because the manager isn't pushing for money, it's because there really really isn't any.
Personally I'm delighted, even if (say) Park Si-Jung hadn't turned out a complete waste of money, I get far more pleasure out of Smyth, Eze or Furlong doing well for us than I would out of providing a home for players who will never regard us as a high point in their careers. I want players who, when they retire, will talk about us the way e.g. Sinton or Ferdinand always have, even if we do flog them on. | | | |
| Ollie on 21:05 - Mar 25 with 2233 views | CiderwithRsie |
Good posts on this thread on all sides, a sign that we're all a lot less grumpy!
For me, simultaneously he's done a really good job compared to the brief, but there have also been some self-inflicted wounds - e.g. earlier misuse of some of the players who are now delivering, the Cousins thing, tendency to hoofball, some poor starting line-ups - and there's the fear that he'll screw it up by tinkering. I'm still worried about that biting us next season.
Even at his worst, you still need a better bloke if you're going to sack him, you still need someone prepared to work to a tough budget. Unless he goes all tinker man in the rest of the season I'm now for keeping him but for managing him - for Les having a word if he does start making the same old mistakes.
On the press conference thing, IIRC he said the whole "taxi" thing was because he knew it'd dominate the presser at the expense of something he didn't want raised (forget what now - job done I suppose!) I wouldn't put it past him to have dome that again, he's smarter than people sometimes think, especially those who assume that anyone with a Bristol accent is stupid by definition. | | | |
| Ollie on 21:25 - Mar 25 with 2201 views | gazza1 |
IH makes far too many tactical errors, wrong decisions during matches and plays the wrong players in wrong positions and more......I have said it all along that we have the players to be higher than our league position suggests.
I've seen enough of IH. | | | |
| Ollie on 21:46 - Mar 25 with 2179 views | Roller |
It is easy to under estimate the job he has done in retaining our league position while the club's wage bill has been slashed. While we have a little respite next season as our parachute payment remains the same, the ground work will have to be laid for the season after when our parachute payments have dried up. He seems to work well with Hoos and Ferdinand in this area, we should leave well alone.
For those less than enamoured with Ollie, it must really smart that he has been entrusted with our club's welfare during the two most critical times in our history. |  | | |
| Ollie on 22:27 - Mar 25 with 2133 views | WestbourneR |
Been called out a few times on here about questioning Ollie’s intelligence - I apologise for that.
BUT just listened to the podcast and I do wish he could just finish a sentence sticking to one coherent thought. He just flips all over the place. I can’t but help but feel it must be hard to take instructions from someone who is so disordered in the way he communicates. It’s actually quite draining to listen to.
However I don’t question his honesty and commitment and the hard work he’s putting in [Post edited 25 Mar 2018 23:22]
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| Ollie (n/t) on 22:57 - Mar 25 with 2096 views | PunteR |
| Ollie on 22:27 - Mar 25 by WestbourneR |
Been called out a few times on here about questioning Ollie’s intelligence - I apologise for that.
BUT just listened to the podcast and I do wish he could just finish a sentence sticking to one coherent thought. He just flips all over the place. I can’t but help but feel it must be hard to take instructions from someone who is so disordered in the way he communicates. It’s actually quite draining to listen to.
However I don’t question his honesty and commitment and the hard work he’s putting in [Post edited 25 Mar 2018 23:22]
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| Ollie on 23:21 - Mar 25 with 2072 views | TacticalR |
| Ollie on 22:27 - Mar 25 by WestbourneR |
Been called out a few times on here about questioning Ollie’s intelligence - I apologise for that.
BUT just listened to the podcast and I do wish he could just finish a sentence sticking to one coherent thought. He just flips all over the place. I can’t but help but feel it must be hard to take instructions from someone who is so disordered in the way he communicates. It’s actually quite draining to listen to.
However I don’t question his honesty and commitment and the hard work he’s putting in [Post edited 25 Mar 2018 23:22]
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From that podcast and previous interviews he has done, I get the impression that for him leadership consists of holding court, speaking for as long as possible (Fidel/Chavez style), and if you do that you're going to come out with some nonsense. He showed in the interviews he did with other managers last season that he is quite capable of listening, but I think he has a bit of an obsession with leaders leading and at QPR he's the leader. My guess is that he is quite upset with the way football is going and wants to establish authority, especially for the younger players. In a way he's a bit like Mourinho or Klopp in that he's happy make himself the story, but I don't think he's just doing that - he genuinely wants to be a teacher and mentor and lead the players. Sort your life out!
A lot seems to depend on the context. In the podcast he listened to what Andy Sinton was saying because Sinton was a former teammate, an equal, and someone who doesn't need leading. But he abhors a vacuum and will fill the room as necessary with wisdom/soundbites/stories/jests/clowning etc.
He obviously takes running the club extremely seriously, and with that level of commitment and intensity comes stress. Michael Calvin's 'Living on the Volcano' describes the all-consuming nature of football management. It was interesting that Holloway said after the Villa win he got so fixated on the goal we conceded that Chris Ramsey had to say to him 'Just enjoy the moment'. The danger for any leader who holds court like this is that he is so busy leading that he can't listen to anybody else. | |
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| Ollie on 23:24 - Mar 25 with 2066 views | Myke |
It's really the same discussion as we had a couple of weeks ago under a different heading. As I said then it's about whether we are improving or not. As Clive correctly points out, Ian has fulfilled his criteria in very difficult (FFP) circumstances. But is that enough? Or should he be doing more regardless of these circumstances, in other words is there empirical evidence that we are improving? Despite the obvious improvements of the last 4 games (or three out of four, Sunderland was hard work by all accounts) we currently have three points less than this time last year before that 8 game sh*t out. We have also seen some really poor decision making by Holloway this season in games against Milwall, Bristol City Middlesboro and that doesn't even take into account the double debacle V Forest. He also persisted with 5 at the back when the dogs in the street could see it wasn't working. And we know from experience that he starts messing about with formations and personnel for no apparent reason other than he can.
So I too think we should adopt a 'wait and see' policy. What I am waiting for Pinner Paul, is an indication that he won't revert to type. That he won't go back to a back 5, that he won't go 'route one' to Smith when it's clearly not working. That he won't start chopping and changing the team just for the hell of it. That he won't stick someone in for one game, possibly out of position, and then ignore them for months on end.
Holloway has done enough, in my view, not to be sacked this summer, but there is no need to offer him a contract extension either. Soon enough to back him or sack him next Christmas, based on how things are shaping up by then. | | | |
| Ollie on 23:30 - Mar 25 with 2060 views | PunteR |
| Ollie on 23:21 - Mar 25 by TacticalR |
From that podcast and previous interviews he has done, I get the impression that for him leadership consists of holding court, speaking for as long as possible (Fidel/Chavez style), and if you do that you're going to come out with some nonsense. He showed in the interviews he did with other managers last season that he is quite capable of listening, but I think he has a bit of an obsession with leaders leading and at QPR he's the leader. My guess is that he is quite upset with the way football is going and wants to establish authority, especially for the younger players. In a way he's a bit like Mourinho or Klopp in that he's happy make himself the story, but I don't think he's just doing that - he genuinely wants to be a teacher and mentor and lead the players. Sort your life out!
A lot seems to depend on the context. In the podcast he listened to what Andy Sinton was saying because Sinton was a former teammate, an equal, and someone who doesn't need leading. But he abhors a vacuum and will fill the room as necessary with wisdom/soundbites/stories/jests/clowning etc.
He obviously takes running the club extremely seriously, and with that level of commitment and intensity comes stress. Michael Calvin's 'Living on the Volcano' describes the all-consuming nature of football management. It was interesting that Holloway said after the Villa win he got so fixated on the goal we conceded that Chris Ramsey had to say to him 'Just enjoy the moment'. The danger for any leader who holds court like this is that he is so busy leading that he can't listen to anybody else. |
He listened to Ramsey on that occasion. Its been mentioned a few times that Ollie does need an experienced and level headed coach next to him. I think that highlights it. | |
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| Ollie on 23:39 - Mar 25 with 2047 views | TacticalR |
| Ollie on 23:30 - Mar 25 by PunteR |
He listened to Ramsey on that occasion. Its been mentioned a few times that Ollie does need an experienced and level headed coach next to him. I think that highlights it. |
Yes, he does listen to other people if they are on a level with him. And it was Holloway who told the story on the podcast, and the story was told at his own expense. I think I was more trying to explain why he does tend to ramble on in certain contexts (like these interviews). But this is really nothing, when you think that Mourinho went on a 12-minute ramble/tirade the other day. | |
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He's also very intense.