| The Trust selling up 14:31 - Oct 23 with 26002 views | Darran |
Why are people saying the Trust won't sell up then?
Perhaps they will who knows?
Philip? [Post edited 23 Oct 2016 14:32]
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| The Trust selling up on 11:38 - Oct 25 with 1444 views | Wingstandwood |
| The Trust selling up on 10:41 - Oct 25 by QJumpingJack |
Huw Cooze and the Trust do a fantastic job for the fans.
They need our support at this moment in time in relation to working with the new owners.
As I said yesterday, Huw has done more work than most of the other directors combined.
Some of the comments on this thread are sad, disappointing and just plain mean.
If there is going to be discussion, lets keep it constructive. |
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| The Trust selling up on 11:49 - Oct 25 with 1412 views | monmouth |
| The Trust selling up on 10:20 - Oct 25 by Uxbridge |
Lots I agree with here. I agree the nature of the SD role needs to change to focus more on the director level activities. There are understandable reasons why the role morphed into what it did, firmly believe it wasn't a conscious effort to gain financially personally, but it shouldn't have happened. Difficult for me to comment on the Trust decisions at the time as it's before my 2 and a bit years on there.
I think a lot of what you point out in your post are things the sub group (which Phil and I were both part of, so sticks at the ready  ) has looked at, and many are included in the documents uploaded. Whether they go as far as some people like is debateable, we've certainly debated them ad infinitum internally. On the issue of recruiting someone externally, I'm sure that would be looked at when the situation arises that there is a change of SD (and it is a when ... term limits now exist). Personally I'm not sure we're at that point ... there are a number of people on the TB that I'd view as potentially suitable. Not me though, I think anyone who does that gig must be mad. |
Aye it might have helped if I'd read that thread first... |  |
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| The Trust selling up on 12:00 - Oct 25 with 1394 views | Highjack |
| The Trust selling up on 10:41 - Oct 25 by QJumpingJack |
Huw Cooze and the Trust do a fantastic job for the fans.
They need our support at this moment in time in relation to working with the new owners.
As I said yesterday, Huw has done more work than most of the other directors combined.
Some of the comments on this thread are sad, disappointing and just plain mean.
If there is going to be discussion, lets keep it constructive. |
On your first point I have no doubt he works hard and does good things and we all thank him and the trust for that matter but that is irrelevant and is not the issue. Think of the MP expense scandal, when they were running around putting duck houses and moats on expenses, nobody said "oh well, they work hard for their constituents so they shouldn't be criticised".
Now I'm not saying for a second that HC is on the make or fiddling or anything like that, but he's unwittingly put himself in the position that people have genuine concerns that he is doing very well out of this situation and doesn't want to upset the apple cart.
I don't think anyone has posted anything particularly mean but there's a hell of a lot of frustration flying around about how the hell did we get to this point. |  |
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| The Trust selling up on 12:39 - Oct 25 with 1342 views | Wingstandwood |
| The Trust selling up on 12:00 - Oct 25 by Highjack |
On your first point I have no doubt he works hard and does good things and we all thank him and the trust for that matter but that is irrelevant and is not the issue. Think of the MP expense scandal, when they were running around putting duck houses and moats on expenses, nobody said "oh well, they work hard for their constituents so they shouldn't be criticised".
Now I'm not saying for a second that HC is on the make or fiddling or anything like that, but he's unwittingly put himself in the position that people have genuine concerns that he is doing very well out of this situation and doesn't want to upset the apple cart.
I don't think anyone has posted anything particularly mean but there's a hell of a lot of frustration flying around about how the hell did we get to this point. |
Perhaps I've got this wrong? Someone correct me if? But what I've read so far on here. A guy whom is meant to be a Trust representative whom should have a level of detachment to enable himself to put Trust/Trust members interests first before anyone and anything else?
1. Is paid £40,000 a year by SCFC and failed to even adequately inform many just like the gold diggers did with their grubby little sell-off?
2. Has a business work contract with the club?
3. Has been given the ultimate businessman's status symbol/big boys toy i.e. prestigious title 'Director of Premier League Club' title along with associated perks. privileges, contacts and hospitality?
4. And last but not least apparently of what I've read on here? He drinks with the very despicable people that ingnored both himself and SCST in the most disgraceful of circumstances . To ask if his position is 100% untenable and if people should have sympathy towards him is very relevant until he clarifies matters. [Post edited 25 Oct 2016 12:54]
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| The Trust selling up on 12:49 - Oct 25 with 1320 views | Landore_Jack |
Can someone please explain why HC should not be paid for the SD role? Especially, when the role is a full-time job. [Post edited 25 Oct 2016 12:53]
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| The Trust selling up on 12:58 - Oct 25 with 1284 views | Wingstandwood |
| The Trust selling up on 12:49 - Oct 25 by Landore_Jack |
Can someone please explain why HC should not be paid for the SD role? Especially, when the role is a full-time job. [Post edited 25 Oct 2016 12:53]
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But how can it be a full time job if he apparently has a business interest out of the club? Perhaps his business interest is some form of hobby, maybe a release from Trust responsibilities? | |
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| The Trust selling up on 13:00 - Oct 25 with 1271 views | E20Jack |
| The Trust selling up on 12:49 - Oct 25 by Landore_Jack |
Can someone please explain why HC should not be paid for the SD role? Especially, when the role is a full-time job. [Post edited 25 Oct 2016 12:53]
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The Trust is a volunteer based organisation. If it is such a hands on role then how can he run his business (which would satisfactorily provide a comfortable living for most people) as well? I think everybody agrees that any reasonable expenses should be covered - but I dont think anybody working as part of the Trust should be profiting - certainly not to the tune of 240k over the last 6 years. If it is to be a paid position then advertise the job as such and lets appoint the best man for it, a professional. Not someone who has so many conflicts of interests its untrue!
Again, nothing against HC himself. The process which has enabled this mess is what needs addressing. |  |
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| The Trust selling up on 13:11 - Oct 25 with 1232 views | CopaMundial |
I rejoined the Trust yesterday as the news about this subject was starting to break,I did so after reading Phil's post several days ago where he outlined the hard work that had gone on since the takeover had taken place,I have to say that I feel sick to the stomach that while we have all been taking the moral high ground regarding the actions of certain club directors they have probably been pissing themselves at the lack of transparency of the Trust itself.
I have no idea who Uxbridge is but I have to say some of his posts since the news broke smacks of a man using two shovels welded together to dig himself out of a hole...very,very disappointing
I started a thread the other day where I asked the Trust a direct question .....I'll try again.
Are you calling for HJ to resign and do you regret backing him to remain as Chairman of the club after the takeover was confirmed.
I'm really not sure anymore what the Trusts position is and the news regarding HC just confuses things even more |  | | |
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| The Trust selling up on 13:21 - Oct 25 with 1207 views | Joe_bradshaw |
| The Trust selling up on 12:49 - Oct 25 by Landore_Jack |
Can someone please explain why HC should not be paid for the SD role? Especially, when the role is a full-time job. [Post edited 25 Oct 2016 12:53]
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It's not advertised as a full time job and if it is how does he have time to run his own business as well? |  |
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| The Trust selling up on 13:29 - Oct 25 with 1175 views | MattG |
I don't know HC personally and have no reason to believe that he's been taking the proverbial in terms of his remuneration BUT it does seem that the best course of action for the Trust would be for him to step down.
A new SD operating under the newly clarified rules with full transparency and a clear mandate might give the other shareholders something to think about. It would also go some way to reinforcing confidence in the Trust.
My only concern is that this might unfairly taint HC's reputation so would need to be handled sensitively. |  | | |
| The Trust selling up on 13:29 - Oct 25 with 1174 views | Uxbridge |
| The Trust selling up on 13:11 - Oct 25 by CopaMundial |
I rejoined the Trust yesterday as the news about this subject was starting to break,I did so after reading Phil's post several days ago where he outlined the hard work that had gone on since the takeover had taken place,I have to say that I feel sick to the stomach that while we have all been taking the moral high ground regarding the actions of certain club directors they have probably been pissing themselves at the lack of transparency of the Trust itself.
I have no idea who Uxbridge is but I have to say some of his posts since the news broke smacks of a man using two shovels welded together to dig himself out of a hole...very,very disappointing
I started a thread the other day where I asked the Trust a direct question .....I'll try again.
Are you calling for HJ to resign and do you regret backing him to remain as Chairman of the club after the takeover was confirmed.
I'm really not sure anymore what the Trusts position is and the news regarding HC just confuses things even more |
Not entirely sure what hole I need to dig myself out of to be honest, so if you could clarify that'd be great.
As for HJ, the Trust hasn't called for HJ to resign. Don't think a position has been formed on that yet. In terms of previously, the deciding argument seemed to be summed up by "better the devil you know".
It'd be a shame if the details regarding HC impact the events of last week. The address from last week still stands in its entirety. While they aren't linked, I can understand how these details would damage the Trust. However, for me, that's a separate argument. |  |
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| The Trust selling up on 13:32 - Oct 25 with 1169 views | Landore_Jack |
| The Trust selling up on 13:21 - Oct 25 by Joe_bradshaw |
It's not advertised as a full time job and if it is how does he have time to run his own business as well? |
Quote taken from Uxbridge
The Trust selling up on 08:00 - Oct 25
"Huw's role at the club has morphed into a full time one, partly because the club wanted it to, but partly due to Trust acquiescence."
Not sure how HC manages to run his business as well. I guess that is a question for HC. [Post edited 25 Oct 2016 13:34]
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| The Trust selling up on 13:37 - Oct 25 with 1138 views | Darran |
| The Trust selling up on 13:32 - Oct 25 by Landore_Jack |
Quote taken from Uxbridge
The Trust selling up on 08:00 - Oct 25
"Huw's role at the club has morphed into a full time one, partly because the club wanted it to, but partly due to Trust acquiescence."
Not sure how HC manages to run his business as well. I guess that is a question for HC. [Post edited 25 Oct 2016 13:34]
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Perhaps he has to employ someone to run it for him on £40k a year. | |
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| The Trust selling up on 13:39 - Oct 25 with 1131 views | Uxbridge |
| The Trust selling up on 13:32 - Oct 25 by Landore_Jack |
Quote taken from Uxbridge
The Trust selling up on 08:00 - Oct 25
"Huw's role at the club has morphed into a full time one, partly because the club wanted it to, but partly due to Trust acquiescence."
Not sure how HC manages to run his business as well. I guess that is a question for HC. [Post edited 25 Oct 2016 13:34]
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There's a relatively detailed explanation of Huw's current position at http://www.swanstrust.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Trust-Board-Members-Decla
there are a few things I think the Trust got wrong, but near the top of the list is allowing the additional roles to be performed. All in good faith as far as I can tell, however that is the root cause. Of course, the transparency of the amounts and time involved is probably #1. | |
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| The Trust selling up on 13:42 - Oct 25 with 1116 views | Landore_Jack |
| The Trust selling up on 13:39 - Oct 25 by Uxbridge |
There's a relatively detailed explanation of Huw's current position at http://www.swanstrust.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Trust-Board-Members-Decla
there are a few things I think the Trust got wrong, but near the top of the list is allowing the additional roles to be performed. All in good faith as far as I can tell, however that is the root cause. Of course, the transparency of the amounts and time involved is probably #1. |
Thanks for the reply Ux. | |
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| The Trust selling up on 13:44 - Oct 25 with 1117 views | JackUlation |
| The Trust selling up on 10:41 - Oct 25 by QJumpingJack |
Huw Cooze and the Trust do a fantastic job for the fans.
They need our support at this moment in time in relation to working with the new owners.
As I said yesterday, Huw has done more work than most of the other directors combined.
Some of the comments on this thread are sad, disappointing and just plain mean.
If there is going to be discussion, lets keep it constructive. |
How much were you paid for that comment, get your head out of the sand. | | | |
| The Trust selling up on 13:44 - Oct 25 with 1117 views | Joe_bradshaw |
| The Trust selling up on 13:32 - Oct 25 by Landore_Jack |
Quote taken from Uxbridge
The Trust selling up on 08:00 - Oct 25
"Huw's role at the club has morphed into a full time one, partly because the club wanted it to, but partly due to Trust acquiescence."
Not sure how HC manages to run his business as well. I guess that is a question for HC. [Post edited 25 Oct 2016 13:34]
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It hasn't been advertised as a full time role in the past and following questions in the last few days about whether the SD gets paid by the club the Trust finally tell us this information.
I accept Ux's comments on this entirely but the perception is that the information had to be dragged out of the Trust and that they have been less than transparent about the club paying the SD as the role morphed into a full time one. Unfortunately the perception is often more important than the actual situation. | |
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| The Trust selling up on 13:49 - Oct 25 with 1100 views | Return_of_the_Jack |
Its unlikely that the trust will be asking for Jenkins to resign if he is friends with the Trust SD. |  | | |
| The Trust selling up on 13:50 - Oct 25 with 1093 views | CopaMundial |
| The Trust selling up on 13:29 - Oct 25 by Uxbridge |
Not entirely sure what hole I need to dig myself out of to be honest, so if you could clarify that'd be great.
As for HJ, the Trust hasn't called for HJ to resign. Don't think a position has been formed on that yet. In terms of previously, the deciding argument seemed to be summed up by "better the devil you know".
It'd be a shame if the details regarding HC impact the events of last week. The address from last week still stands in its entirety. While they aren't linked, I can understand how these details would damage the Trust. However, for me, that's a separate argument. |
Try the hole where it seems you're furiously back pedalling to justify the lack of transparency and openness regarding Huw Coozes role and renumeration package.
As for whether or not you are calling for HJ to resign...well if you haven't formed an opinion yet I guess you never will. | | | |
| The Trust selling up on 13:55 - Oct 25 with 1074 views | jackonicko |
| The Trust selling up on 12:39 - Oct 25 by Wingstandwood |
Perhaps I've got this wrong? Someone correct me if? But what I've read so far on here. A guy whom is meant to be a Trust representative whom should have a level of detachment to enable himself to put Trust/Trust members interests first before anyone and anything else?
1. Is paid £40,000 a year by SCFC and failed to even adequately inform many just like the gold diggers did with their grubby little sell-off?
2. Has a business work contract with the club?
3. Has been given the ultimate businessman's status symbol/big boys toy i.e. prestigious title 'Director of Premier League Club' title along with associated perks. privileges, contacts and hospitality?
4. And last but not least apparently of what I've read on here? He drinks with the very despicable people that ingnored both himself and SCST in the most disgraceful of circumstances . To ask if his position is 100% untenable and if people should have sympathy towards him is very relevant until he clarifies matters. [Post edited 25 Oct 2016 12:54]
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I don't get much time to post at the moment, but I've been reading the threads.
The one thing I would add is that if there was an actual conflict of interest here, there is absolutely no chance you would have read or heard that address from Phil on Thursday night. I don't think anyone could say punches were pulled in the interests of preserving personal gain for individual trust board members. Judge them on their actions.
I otherwise agree with everything Ux has posted on this subject. This needed to be done. |  | | |
| The Trust selling up on 13:57 - Oct 25 with 1070 views | JackUlation |
| The Trust selling up on 12:49 - Oct 25 by Landore_Jack |
Can someone please explain why HC should not be paid for the SD role? Especially, when the role is a full-time job. [Post edited 25 Oct 2016 12:53]
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for a start , as you say it is a full time job, but HC is not doing it full time,
furthermore he has a business supported by the club itself, (COI) it is like having the works convenor socialising with the enemy.
How many hours are worked for £40 K PA---£769.00 per week---£19+ per hour if 40 hours a week worked.
? how many hours were put in. | | | |
| The Trust selling up on 14:01 - Oct 25 with 1050 views | Uxbridge |
| The Trust selling up on 13:50 - Oct 25 by CopaMundial |
Try the hole where it seems you're furiously back pedalling to justify the lack of transparency and openness regarding Huw Coozes role and renumeration package.
As for whether or not you are calling for HJ to resign...well if you haven't formed an opinion yet I guess you never will. |
Eh? Bloody hell man, read what I've wrote. I completely agree it shouldn't have happened. At no time have i justified the lack of transparency on this. Entirely the opposite if you look back at my posts. Hell, my post above says that I view this as the main failing of the Trust in this regard.
To be perfectly honest, this largely precedes my time on the Trust, and I can entirely relate to many of the comments on this thread because I had exactly the same thoughts as many others when I found out.
Maybe I've just had more time to think about, so it isn't as raw for me. Maybe I've just analysed it to death in my head. I don't know. However, to me, what is important is learning the lessons of what has happened (which I think the reports do), implement processes and procedures to ensure it doesn't happen again, and then ensure the Trust operates better in the future. | |
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| The Trust selling up on 14:04 - Oct 25 with 1030 views | E20Jack |
| The Trust selling up on 13:55 - Oct 25 by jackonicko |
I don't get much time to post at the moment, but I've been reading the threads.
The one thing I would add is that if there was an actual conflict of interest here, there is absolutely no chance you would have read or heard that address from Phil on Thursday night. I don't think anyone could say punches were pulled in the interests of preserving personal gain for individual trust board members. Judge them on their actions.
I otherwise agree with everything Ux has posted on this subject. This needed to be done. |
I disagree. The Trust address was excellent and a timely release of frustrated emotions, but lets not forget that the horse had already bolted by then and the address is about damage limitation essentially, rather than pro active preventative measures - which is the whole point of having a SD on the board. Due to that, and HC's conflicts clear of interest(s) (friends with the judas brigade, paid handsomely by the club, business contract to maintain) have now been brought to light and questioned, which is something that with a more structured and transparent set up could and should have been avoided. Reform is needed in that department, and fast. [Post edited 25 Oct 2016 14:06]
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| The Trust selling up on 14:04 - Oct 25 with 1029 views | Wingstandwood |
| The Trust selling up on 13:49 - Oct 25 by Return_of_the_Jack |
Its unlikely that the trust will be asking for Jenkins to resign if he is friends with the Trust SD. |
This is where a lot of the anger is starting to boil and questions starting to be asked! If Huw Cooze is an extremely close acquaintance of Jenkins (and others!) from emotional, personal interests and business perspectives? How the f#ck (in a million years!) could he possibly EVER put SCST, Trust members and supporters first? Surely s dereliction of Trust responsibility and duty are a scenarios likely to be questioned?
People are starting to question whether it's a 'hand in glove' and 'two sides of the same coin' relationship/state of affairs between Huw Cooze ,the-gold-diggers and SCFC board? Huw Cooze is in a position to answer! | |
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| The Trust selling up on 14:24 - Oct 25 with 986 views | Millie |
| The Trust selling up on 14:04 - Oct 25 by Wingstandwood |
This is where a lot of the anger is starting to boil and questions starting to be asked! If Huw Cooze is an extremely close acquaintance of Jenkins (and others!) from emotional, personal interests and business perspectives? How the f#ck (in a million years!) could he possibly EVER put SCST, Trust members and supporters first? Surely s dereliction of Trust responsibility and duty are a scenarios likely to be questioned?
People are starting to question whether it's a 'hand in glove' and 'two sides of the same coin' relationship/state of affairs between Huw Cooze ,the-gold-diggers and SCFC board? Huw Cooze is in a position to answer! |
I have plenty of acquaintances I don't like, a strong professional working relationship is still required who ever that is between. | | | |
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