| The big picture 22:19 - Feb 2 with 16582 views | StudiousDale |
Yes it's very frustrating to have lost Done, and it leaves us short up front.
However, it should be remembered that we're 7th in League 1, and have managed to only sell 1 player during the window despite that (after earlier rumours of Tanser, Allen, Bennett etc all going). Additionally it looks like we're getting O'Connell back, and if Done has gone for £500k plus then I think it's a good fee.
Whilst people want us to shell out £100k plus on players (and I'm all for it in the case of people like O'Connell), unfortunately with the wages we spend we can only look to attract upwardly mobile players, who want to come to work for Hill and part of the attraction is that we will sell them on if they perform, and not keep them here at a ransom. Hopefully the money can be used to get Hill's targets for next Summer, Andrew or Brandy can step into Done's starting role and we can continue to battle all the teams in this division with a budget bigger than ours.
Believe in the sign [Post edited 2 Feb 2015 22:23]
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| The big picture on 13:38 - Feb 3 with 4202 views | nordenblue |
| The big picture on 11:31 - Feb 3 by DorsetDale |
If you are correct and we are well below 7th come March it'll have little to do with selling Done and everything to do with just having played some of the best sides in the division. |
No selling our top scorer and one of our only players with genuine pace will only improve our league position i suppose |  | | |
| The big picture on 13:48 - Feb 3 with 4180 views | dingdangblue |
| The big picture on 12:25 - Feb 3 by pl56 |
Do I recall correctly from Dunphy's recent newspaper article that we were looking to upgrade the Academy ? If the Done cash helps us to achieve that , and , in addition , supports the ambition to acquire full ownership of the ground , thereby opening up other potential income streams , then , for me , the future both on and off the field feels a lot more secure . That's my take on the big picture , and for me its better to invest like that for the long term , rather than spend on short term player recruitment with no guaranteed added value . Sure we might take a short term hit on the pitch , but the long term benefits may well offer much greater benefit .
Such an approach seems to mirror pretty closely the Crewe model of the 1980's ; they were always a selling club , but got a reputation for developing and supporting young players on to better things . In turn they attracted better kids , higher fees when selling on , and they forged stronger links with many bigger clubs with consequent benefits . If we could replicate even half the experiences of Crewe in that 20 year period , I'd certainly have no quibbles . |
Upgrading the Academy just means Academy status - don't think it involves spending ? If you keep producing quality Academy players then the higher status you are means the more money you can ask for when you players get robbed sorry sold. We havent even got a training ground - we just use other facilities. |  |
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| The big picture on 15:09 - Feb 3 with 4096 views | 49thseason |
Upgrading the academy means finding a base in Rochdale which has pitches of a sufficiently high standard so that we can actually play home games within the Borough (currently there isn't a single pitch in Rochdale that meets the requirements).
It also means providing waiting / watching facilities for parents , decent changing rooms, classrooms, fitness suite and an indoor artificial surface. Ideally it would be a resource that can be shared by the senior squad as a training base - estimated cost £2-3 M maybe more.
Some of the cost might be met by an FA grant but at least 50% would need to be found or borrowed (secured on the Stadium?)
You might find this interesting:
http://rochdaleafcyouth.co.uk/files/News/Re-audit_Report_Rochdale_AFC_final_afte |  | | |
| The big picture on 15:45 - Feb 3 with 4054 views | fitzochris |
Anyone with DalePlayer care to update the rest of us on the Chief Exec's take on all this? |  |
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| The big picture on 16:01 - Feb 3 with 4000 views | dingdangblue |
| The big picture on 15:09 - Feb 3 by 49thseason |
Upgrading the academy means finding a base in Rochdale which has pitches of a sufficiently high standard so that we can actually play home games within the Borough (currently there isn't a single pitch in Rochdale that meets the requirements).
It also means providing waiting / watching facilities for parents , decent changing rooms, classrooms, fitness suite and an indoor artificial surface. Ideally it would be a resource that can be shared by the senior squad as a training base - estimated cost £2-3 M maybe more.
Some of the cost might be met by an FA grant but at least 50% would need to be found or borrowed (secured on the Stadium?)
You might find this interesting:
http://rochdaleafcyouth.co.uk/files/News/Re-audit_Report_Rochdale_AFC_final_afte |
Cant see us ever being able to build / maintain a facility that expensive* - it could ruin us.
*unless we keep hold of all our best players and get promoted to the Championship then use the 2.3 million TV money. [Post edited 3 Feb 2015 16:08]
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| The big picture on 16:19 - Feb 3 with 3952 views | isitme |
| The big picture on 15:45 - Feb 3 by fitzochris |
Anyone with DalePlayer care to update the rest of us on the Chief Exec's take on all this? |
If more people signed up to Dale Player we wouldn't have had to sell Done!
Some snippets below (hence it doesn't flow well):
- There was always going to be interest in our players. We had an indication of this at the start of the month. Batted away an number of approaches but wouldn't let on if bids had been received for other players. Sunday afternoon interest intensified, although on Monday morning there was no plan to sell. The decision was not taken lightly.
- Easy for people to question why you sell your better players. Need to look at the whole picture. We didn't want to sell and didn't need to sell but there comes a point when the business decision is the right one and is also the right one for the player. Done has been excellent for the club both on and off the pitch, therefore morally we have to consider the deal. Did the right thing for the player and the club and go the best deal we possible could.
- Undisclosed fee based on an agreement between both clubs. It is difficult to state an exact fee due to the make up of the deal. This is a complex deal. Cites Lambert deal as one that the initial fee and current total payments received from this transfer do not bare comparison. Knows the guaranteed amount, but not the potential amount which is determined on the successes of both the player and Sheffield United.Mentions Le Fondre and Buckley as evidence why 'clauses' in transfers are important.
- Hilly believes there are players within the squad such as RNL, Brandy, Andrew, Logan and Camps who can step up to fill the void.
- The sale of the likes of Hogan and Done show how far the club has come in the past two years under Hilly and are competing with clubs such as Coventry. Expects further interest in other players. |  | | |
| The big picture on 16:35 - Feb 3 with 3891 views | fitzochris |
| The big picture on 16:19 - Feb 3 by isitme |
If more people signed up to Dale Player we wouldn't have had to sell Done!
Some snippets below (hence it doesn't flow well):
- There was always going to be interest in our players. We had an indication of this at the start of the month. Batted away an number of approaches but wouldn't let on if bids had been received for other players. Sunday afternoon interest intensified, although on Monday morning there was no plan to sell. The decision was not taken lightly.
- Easy for people to question why you sell your better players. Need to look at the whole picture. We didn't want to sell and didn't need to sell but there comes a point when the business decision is the right one and is also the right one for the player. Done has been excellent for the club both on and off the pitch, therefore morally we have to consider the deal. Did the right thing for the player and the club and go the best deal we possible could.
- Undisclosed fee based on an agreement between both clubs. It is difficult to state an exact fee due to the make up of the deal. This is a complex deal. Cites Lambert deal as one that the initial fee and current total payments received from this transfer do not bare comparison. Knows the guaranteed amount, but not the potential amount which is determined on the successes of both the player and Sheffield United.Mentions Le Fondre and Buckley as evidence why 'clauses' in transfers are important.
- Hilly believes there are players within the squad such as RNL, Brandy, Andrew, Logan and Camps who can step up to fill the void.
- The sale of the likes of Hogan and Done show how far the club has come in the past two years under Hilly and are competing with clubs such as Coventry. Expects further interest in other players. |
Haha, very good.
As for the Chief's comments, they mirror Hilly's. | |
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| The big picture on 16:39 - Feb 3 with 3887 views | isitme |
| The big picture on 16:35 - Feb 3 by fitzochris |
Haha, very good.
As for the Chief's comments, they mirror Hilly's. |
Absolutely.
It is pleasing that everyone behind the scenes is working towards the same vision. | | | |
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| The big picture on 16:40 - Feb 3 with 3882 views | Yorkshire_Dale |
Suggests that we should get a big payout IF Sheffield Utd get promoted?
We should help by giving em 3 points when the visit San Spotty shortly>
#gobladesgo! | | | |
| The big picture on 16:45 - Feb 3 with 3864 views | fitzochris |
| The big picture on 16:40 - Feb 3 by Yorkshire_Dale |
Suggests that we should get a big payout IF Sheffield Utd get promoted?
We should help by giving em 3 points when the visit San Spotty shortly>
#gobladesgo! |
Dale v Sheff U in the play-off final. Imagine. | |
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| The big picture on 16:59 - Feb 3 with 3833 views | dingdangblue |
| The big picture on 16:19 - Feb 3 by isitme |
If more people signed up to Dale Player we wouldn't have had to sell Done!
Some snippets below (hence it doesn't flow well):
- There was always going to be interest in our players. We had an indication of this at the start of the month. Batted away an number of approaches but wouldn't let on if bids had been received for other players. Sunday afternoon interest intensified, although on Monday morning there was no plan to sell. The decision was not taken lightly.
- Easy for people to question why you sell your better players. Need to look at the whole picture. We didn't want to sell and didn't need to sell but there comes a point when the business decision is the right one and is also the right one for the player. Done has been excellent for the club both on and off the pitch, therefore morally we have to consider the deal. Did the right thing for the player and the club and go the best deal we possible could.
- Undisclosed fee based on an agreement between both clubs. It is difficult to state an exact fee due to the make up of the deal. This is a complex deal. Cites Lambert deal as one that the initial fee and current total payments received from this transfer do not bare comparison. Knows the guaranteed amount, but not the potential amount which is determined on the successes of both the player and Sheffield United.Mentions Le Fondre and Buckley as evidence why 'clauses' in transfers are important.
- Hilly believes there are players within the squad such as RNL, Brandy, Andrew, Logan and Camps who can step up to fill the void.
- The sale of the likes of Hogan and Done show how far the club has come in the past two years under Hilly and are competing with clubs such as Coventry. Expects further interest in other players. |
So to get more money we are rooting for Sheff Utd to get promoted at our expense! You couldn't make it up! | |
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| The big picture on 17:41 - Feb 3 with 3733 views | YouTubeDale |
If he knows the "guaranteed" amount then tell the fans. We know there will be add-ons. But it seems they are hiding behind the add-ons to make an excuse not to mention any figure at all. If a "high" figure is spouted by Keith or Colin, then it goes some way to appease the fans, although we know everybody will still not be satisfied.
Then the next argument is "well, it was agreed between the two parties to be an undisclosed figure". As I said, they should agree to disclose the guaranteed figure and say there are add-ons, without going into the detail.
In the passage of time, the accounts will tell the story and by asking the appropriate questions at the AGM.
On a personal basis I am happy for Matty and he came over extremely well when interviewed today by Dale Player. He was in tears at one point, showing how much the club meant to him, and he hasn't shut the door on coming back some day.
"The best 18 months of my life". Talking about our promotion, beating Southampton home and away last time he was here, beating Sheffield Wednesday, the Cup runs. And he loved being the "underdog" proving how good he and the rest of the team were. [Post edited 3 Feb 2015 17:52]
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| The big picture on 17:57 - Feb 3 with 3693 views | Yorkshire_Dale |
| The big picture on 16:59 - Feb 3 by dingdangblue |
So to get more money we are rooting for Sheff Utd to get promoted at our expense! You couldn't make it up! |
Cheek in tongue. | | | |
| The big picture on 18:36 - Feb 3 with 3624 views | ParkinsGimp |
| The big picture on 17:41 - Feb 3 by YouTubeDale |
If he knows the "guaranteed" amount then tell the fans. We know there will be add-ons. But it seems they are hiding behind the add-ons to make an excuse not to mention any figure at all. If a "high" figure is spouted by Keith or Colin, then it goes some way to appease the fans, although we know everybody will still not be satisfied.
Then the next argument is "well, it was agreed between the two parties to be an undisclosed figure". As I said, they should agree to disclose the guaranteed figure and say there are add-ons, without going into the detail.
In the passage of time, the accounts will tell the story and by asking the appropriate questions at the AGM.
On a personal basis I am happy for Matty and he came over extremely well when interviewed today by Dale Player. He was in tears at one point, showing how much the club meant to him, and he hasn't shut the door on coming back some day.
"The best 18 months of my life". Talking about our promotion, beating Southampton home and away last time he was here, beating Sheffield Wednesday, the Cup runs. And he loved being the "underdog" proving how good he and the rest of the team were. [Post edited 3 Feb 2015 17:52]
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Would we be appeased if it was a "low " figure with add ons. ? | | | |
| The big picture on 18:46 - Feb 3 with 3579 views | ILoveMYclub |
I found it quite intriguing that it was mentioned that the move by Buckley to Sunderland generated money for the club STILL and the Club made money from Le Fondre's move to Cardiff STILL and monies still arriving for Lambert. | | | |
| The big picture on 20:11 - Feb 3 with 3306 views | Albert_Whitehurst |
| The big picture on 18:46 - Feb 3 by ILoveMYclub |
I found it quite intriguing that it was mentioned that the move by Buckley to Sunderland generated money for the club STILL and the Club made money from Le Fondre's move to Cardiff STILL and monies still arriving for Lambert. |
Probably because we have a few men on the board who are good businessmen and are looking to the long term security of the club.
You can probably count on the fingers of on hand the times we have heard the phrase 'we were under no pressure to sell' at Dale. Progression on and off the pitch, very pleasing to see. |  | | |
| The big picture on 20:53 - Feb 3 with 3209 views | ILoveMYclub |
1979—80
Things are not that bad........... .really are they?
Hopefully at the end of this season we are still a League 1 club ...even better as the final days approach to the second half of the season we are still challenging for a play off place.
We will hopefully still have Hilly as Manager not looking to find an Eyre or Coleman to replace him....and failing.
(I always believed in Dick Connor...Eyre was another Walter Joyce now that was a hard season)
As for Matty Done who would have believed he would go from left back (that was thought as a gamble) to a prolific centre forward? Did that not happen to Chris Sutton not an originally recognized forward?
Do some players fail because their coached out of position by misguided thoughts?
Who will be the next surprise?
I trust Hilly to be making the right decisions and I would rather be seeing these debates than to see Dale fans worrying like we did in dark days .............when the Dale had the weather , traffic issues to save us along with Mr Rochdale's good standing. | | | |
| The big picture on 21:11 - Feb 3 with 3161 views | midlandsdale |
The deciding factor is that Matty saw it as an opportunity he couldn't turn down. There endeth the story. If the player wants to move then nothing else is relevant.
As soon as Matty told the club that this was his wish then all that was left to do was get the best possible deal. I am as disappointed as we all are but those saying the club lacks ambition seem to have missed this rather obvious point.
The club will also feel disappointed but to stop the sale would have been an insult to the player and go against everything we stand for. |  | | |
| The big picture on 22:21 - Feb 3 with 3046 views | R17ALE |
| The big picture on 21:11 - Feb 3 by midlandsdale |
The deciding factor is that Matty saw it as an opportunity he couldn't turn down. There endeth the story. If the player wants to move then nothing else is relevant.
As soon as Matty told the club that this was his wish then all that was left to do was get the best possible deal. I am as disappointed as we all are but those saying the club lacks ambition seem to have missed this rather obvious point.
The club will also feel disappointed but to stop the sale would have been an insult to the player and go against everything we stand for. |
There is a chance we couldn't stop the sale. As with Holt, there could have been a clause in Done's contract stating that if a club offered a certain amount, Dale would have to inform the player and the decision then rests with the player.
Having watched Done's interview, I felt that was the case, especially when he seemed to be on the verge of bursting into tears!
I also watched CG's interview which also hinted this way. He gives nowt away tbf, and is a hard bargainer. If he ran a petrol station, he'd still be charging £144.9 per litre and would still be getting away with it. |  |
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| The big picture on 22:37 - Feb 3 with 3016 views | midlandsdale |
| The big picture on 22:21 - Feb 3 by R17ALE |
There is a chance we couldn't stop the sale. As with Holt, there could have been a clause in Done's contract stating that if a club offered a certain amount, Dale would have to inform the player and the decision then rests with the player.
Having watched Done's interview, I felt that was the case, especially when he seemed to be on the verge of bursting into tears!
I also watched CG's interview which also hinted this way. He gives nowt away tbf, and is a hard bargainer. If he ran a petrol station, he'd still be charging £144.9 per litre and would still be getting away with it. |
I am sure he will have got us the best deal, and this will be with the longer view in mind. As he states, the RL deal was still paying dividends this past summer.
My view is that given we don't need to cash in now given our financial position, the structure of Matty's deal will be similar. This probably means that the initial sum is likely to be lower than most here would like to see. Hence the 'undisclosed' arrangement to avoid an even bigger out pouring of angst! Sensible business and protecting the club over a longer period of time even if we do lose a great asset.
Matty clearly was upset to leave, even saying he would like to come back at some point. | | | |
| The big picture on 22:50 - Feb 3 with 2987 views | D_Alien |
| The big picture on 21:11 - Feb 3 by midlandsdale |
The deciding factor is that Matty saw it as an opportunity he couldn't turn down. There endeth the story. If the player wants to move then nothing else is relevant.
As soon as Matty told the club that this was his wish then all that was left to do was get the best possible deal. I am as disappointed as we all are but those saying the club lacks ambition seem to have missed this rather obvious point.
The club will also feel disappointed but to stop the sale would have been an insult to the player and go against everything we stand for. |
I find it incredible that some people are still posting about Dale lacking ambition this evening, when the point you make (and has been made several times over the past 24 hours) is staring them in the face. Talk about obtuse!
I'd add that Matty Done will have a partner and possibly a family to look after, and he'd be insulting them if he didn't take the opportunity to hugely increase his income for their benefit too. He clearly has mixed emotions about the move. |  |
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| The big picture on 16:26 - Feb 4 with 2752 views | watford_dale |
| The big picture on 22:50 - Feb 3 by D_Alien |
I find it incredible that some people are still posting about Dale lacking ambition this evening, when the point you make (and has been made several times over the past 24 hours) is staring them in the face. Talk about obtuse!
I'd add that Matty Done will have a partner and possibly a family to look after, and he'd be insulting them if he didn't take the opportunity to hugely increase his income for their benefit too. He clearly has mixed emotions about the move. |
I think that Done would have gone, who wouldn't for double or triple wages, but it has been more a timing issue of his sale that was surprising. At the end of the season he would have had 18 months left on his contract, which would only impact his fee slightly, rather than sell him to a rival mid season.
Dale have been a selling club since the parkin era and it has served them well. Their business plan, based on gates of 2.5k, must be to sell players and so it must be no great shock he has gone.
My issue was the absolute lack of communication from the club over the transfer. Be more open with the fans and inform them of the fee that was received would be an improvement and, whilst still on soapbox, the off field operations need a complete overhaul, on the pitch we are bang on. | | | |
| The big picture on 16:52 - Feb 4 with 2726 views | midlandsdale |
| The big picture on 16:26 - Feb 4 by watford_dale |
I think that Done would have gone, who wouldn't for double or triple wages, but it has been more a timing issue of his sale that was surprising. At the end of the season he would have had 18 months left on his contract, which would only impact his fee slightly, rather than sell him to a rival mid season.
Dale have been a selling club since the parkin era and it has served them well. Their business plan, based on gates of 2.5k, must be to sell players and so it must be no great shock he has gone.
My issue was the absolute lack of communication from the club over the transfer. Be more open with the fans and inform them of the fee that was received would be an improvement and, whilst still on soapbox, the off field operations need a complete overhaul, on the pitch we are bang on. |
CG stated in his interview that the interest only started on Sunday after they had thought the club had managed to 'bat away' any interest in the squad. There is no way they are going to tell us the price given that its probably a longer term deal with lots of add ons. What it is now will hopefully be a much smaller sum than the eventual price that may not be realised for several seasons as per the Lambert deal.
This is clearly the clubs business strategy and does seem to be working in the face of low attendances. Trust them to do what they do best. I for one think we are very lucky to be being steered by a very savy board. | | | |
| The big picture on 17:35 - Feb 4 with 2671 views | watford_dale |
| The big picture on 16:52 - Feb 4 by midlandsdale |
CG stated in his interview that the interest only started on Sunday after they had thought the club had managed to 'bat away' any interest in the squad. There is no way they are going to tell us the price given that its probably a longer term deal with lots of add ons. What it is now will hopefully be a much smaller sum than the eventual price that may not be realised for several seasons as per the Lambert deal.
This is clearly the clubs business strategy and does seem to be working in the face of low attendances. Trust them to do what they do best. I for one think we are very lucky to be being steered by a very savy board. |
I have no qualms regarding the performance of the board in team affairs. It's the marketing and development of, for want of a better word brand rochdale, that needs progression in the close season. | | | |
| The big picture on 17:38 - Feb 4 with 2666 views | bazingadale |
How much has lambert made us now |  | | |
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