| what would american investors want 10:21 - Jan 28 with 12333 views | libertine |
is it a bad thing that the Americans are buying a big lump of our club.
what would they do?
as ive said on here many times we are in a very special place we are in wales and the only premier club, would they want o build it up?
something has to happen as we are in a bit of a panic alarm state
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| what would american investors want on 10:29 - Jan 28 with 5181 views | jacabertawe |
Yes. Bad thing for the Club. But good for those who will pocket millions. |  |
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| what would american investors want on 10:36 - Jan 28 with 5163 views | getcarter |
Positive move which will guarantee Premiership football for a long time. |  | | |
| what would american investors want on 10:41 - Jan 28 with 5143 views | libertine |
forgive my ignorance on this
but what would they get out of it or what is their motivation | | | |
| what would american investors want on 11:57 - Jan 28 with 5067 views | DafyddHuw |
| what would american investors want on 10:41 - Jan 28 by libertine |
forgive my ignorance on this
but what would they get out of it or what is their motivation |
Exactly. It's the question that nobody from the Trust or the Board seem to want to answer. |  | | |
| what would american investors want on 12:04 - Jan 28 with 5050 views | lifelong |
| what would american investors want on 10:41 - Jan 28 by libertine |
forgive my ignorance on this
but what would they get out of it or what is their motivation |
What anyone wants when they invest in something... Make money.
What other reason is there? |  | | |
| what would american investors want on 12:06 - Jan 28 with 5036 views | Parlay |
| what would american investors want on 10:41 - Jan 28 by libertine |
forgive my ignorance on this
but what would they get out of it or what is their motivation |
Money.
Its a bad move for the club. No longer will we be doing things to benefit the club (although its debatable whether we have for some time) and instead cash is king. |  |
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| what would american investors want on 12:19 - Jan 28 with 5018 views | SkipTheJack |
I'm struggling to see how this can possibly be a good thing for the club, and it will probably see us sink into debt over the next few years.
Instead of buying the ground, I'd rather see us use the Bony money to buy out the 30% of shares that are rumoured to be for sale. |  | | |
| what would american investors want on 12:29 - Jan 28 with 4999 views | DafyddHuw |
| what would american investors want on 12:04 - Jan 28 by lifelong |
What anyone wants when they invest in something... Make money.
What other reason is there? |
Not necessarily. Abramovitch isn't looking for a return from Chelsea, nor the sheik from Man City. Sunderland's owner just keeps pumping in millions year after year. He doesn't expect to see any return on his investment either.
That;s just 3 teams off the top of my head.
Just wish some directors would come out and say "If someone wanted to invest millions in the club, what we would find acceptable terms are ..." | | | |
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| what would american investors want on 12:32 - Jan 28 with 4981 views | Parlay |
| what would american investors want on 12:29 - Jan 28 by DafyddHuw |
Not necessarily. Abramovitch isn't looking for a return from Chelsea, nor the sheik from Man City. Sunderland's owner just keeps pumping in millions year after year. He doesn't expect to see any return on his investment either.
That;s just 3 teams off the top of my head.
Just wish some directors would come out and say "If someone wanted to invest millions in the club, what we would find acceptable terms are ..." |
Completely different level of owner and not comparable in the slightest. | |
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| what would american investors want on 13:01 - Jan 28 with 4932 views | skippyjack |
Abramovich bought Chelsea to get away from Russia.. plus get cosy with our Govt for protection.. (avoiding arrest)
The Sheikhs come to Britain for business ties with the UK..
The football is just a smokescreen and toy.. plus a media platform for Roman. |  |
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| what would american investors want on 13:03 - Jan 28 with 4926 views | monmouth |
| what would american investors want on 12:29 - Jan 28 by DafyddHuw |
Not necessarily. Abramovitch isn't looking for a return from Chelsea, nor the sheik from Man City. Sunderland's owner just keeps pumping in millions year after year. He doesn't expect to see any return on his investment either.
That;s just 3 teams off the top of my head.
Just wish some directors would come out and say "If someone wanted to invest millions in the club, what we would find acceptable terms are ..." |
Yeah, these particular two yanks have a track record of being totally selfless and giving all their money to worthwhile sporting causes.
F**k. A. Duck.
It would be the end of the whole founding ethos of our phoenix club. I'm astonished people cant see this.
There is a good question above, why not a share buyback using the bony cash. Strengthens the trust by reducing the shares in issue and buys out sme/satisfies other of any greedy c**ts on the board. Feasible? Anyone know? Where's shaky when you don't need him? |  |
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| what would american investors want on 13:09 - Jan 28 with 4901 views | VetchitBack |
I blame Jack to a King |  |
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| what would american investors want on 13:10 - Jan 28 with 4900 views | sixpenses |
| what would american investors want on 12:29 - Jan 28 by DafyddHuw |
Not necessarily. Abramovitch isn't looking for a return from Chelsea, nor the sheik from Man City. Sunderland's owner just keeps pumping in millions year after year. He doesn't expect to see any return on his investment either.
That;s just 3 teams off the top of my head.
Just wish some directors would come out and say "If someone wanted to invest millions in the club, what we would find acceptable terms are ..." |
Have you looked at their history.
If not do a bit of reading then tell me taking big profits out of their investments is not their prime objective.
The reward for investment is Profit
The reward for naivety is getting your club screwed over | | | |
| what would american investors want on 13:48 - Jan 28 with 4828 views | libertine |
what does that mean though
as mentioned they might want to buy us for hobby like other clubs
big clubs, why not?
surely the objective of some of the current board was to make a quick buck isn't that the general motivation for business.
But to make money you need to get to the top, look at our fanbase its potentially massive.
especially with the foreign player support. | | | |
| what would american investors want on 13:52 - Jan 28 with 4819 views | dgt73 |
New investment would be great and if certain board members make money out if it good for them, it's what everyone on here would do. |  |
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| what would american investors want on 13:59 - Jan 28 with 4792 views | Private_Partz |
| what would american investors want on 13:52 - Jan 28 by dgt73 |
New investment would be great and if certain board members make money out if it good for them, it's what everyone on here would do. |
Not all new investment is good but I agree with you that most people would sell up if say 50k can make 5m at a stroke. Just because most would do this does not mean we should say 'good on them'. We should be making sure that our club is secure for the future. A supporters perspective is different from those holding multiple shares in the club. |  |
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| what would american investors want on 13:59 - Jan 28 with 4786 views | Parlay |
| what would american investors want on 13:52 - Jan 28 by dgt73 |
New investment would be great and if certain board members make money out if it good for them, it's what everyone on here would do. |
Why would it be great? | |
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| what would american investors want on 14:11 - Jan 28 with 4766 views | dgt73 |
| what would american investors want on 13:59 - Jan 28 by Parlay |
Why would it be great? |
Huw jenkins has already said the current board cannot go on for ever and do people expect the shareholders just to hand over their shares ? Of course not. | |
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| what would american investors want on 14:13 - Jan 28 with 4757 views | Parlay |
| what would american investors want on 14:11 - Jan 28 by dgt73 |
Huw jenkins has already said the current board cannot go on for ever and do people expect the shareholders just to hand over their shares ? Of course not. |
That is not what I asked. | |
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| what would american investors want on 14:13 - Jan 28 with 4761 views | DafyddHuw |
| what would american investors want on 12:32 - Jan 28 by Parlay |
Completely different level of owner and not comparable in the slightest. |
Sunderland different level of owner? Then there's Bolton.
Don't have a go at me, I'm with you. It's just that you said that people invest just for the money they get back and I've just given you 4 examples where that's not the case.
I think foreign investors would be a disaster. If they invest and lend us money, how do we know we could pay them back. And after 11 years ago, didn't the board say that we'd never ever go into debt ever again? | | | |
| what would american investors want on 14:19 - Jan 28 with 4749 views | Private_Partz |
I am no financial expert as my credit card bills will testify so I tend to steer clear of all the technical discussion going on in relation to this.
I have a question however.
Given an investor wants to make a profit then where would such profit be made in relation to the club?
I would think if it all goes tits up then all that would be left is the stadium land (assuming we own the it by then) and a few highly paid players holding out for their wages.
The stadium could be sold for building but that would probably go for affordable housing. I would imagine the return would be more or less the same as the original sum used to purchase the club. It could even be a sizeable loss.
It seems to me that the only way any profit can be made is in supporting the clubs finances and retaining top flight status. Even then any profit would be minimal. Any views? | |
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| what would american investors want on 14:20 - Jan 28 with 4741 views | sully49 |
| what would american investors want on 10:36 - Jan 28 by getcarter |
Positive move which will guarantee Premiership football for a long time. |
I'm sure the muppets up the road thought of that also. As a discussion blog.
So the Yanks come along what would our priority be in spending their $$$$ on first?
* Quality players, and not worry about how much we pay them?
* Stadium expansion?
* Buy out the council?
* All our training and academy facilities completions?
* Our souls?
And motivation for them
* Kudos?
* Total control?
* Welsh Office grants?
* Free rename the Stadium?
* Champions League football? |  |
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| what would american investors want on 14:22 - Jan 28 with 4725 views | Parlay |
| what would american investors want on 14:13 - Jan 28 by DafyddHuw |
Sunderland different level of owner? Then there's Bolton.
Don't have a go at me, I'm with you. It's just that you said that people invest just for the money they get back and I've just given you 4 examples where that's not the case.
I think foreign investors would be a disaster. If they invest and lend us money, how do we know we could pay them back. And after 11 years ago, didn't the board say that we'd never ever go into debt ever again? |
Not having a go at you in the slightest mate. But comparisons to Chelsea and Man City aren't really relevant.
No idea on the Sunderland and Bolton fronts, not familiar with the set up. But what we can pretty much guarantee looking at John Moores past sports ownership - he does not come under that sort of investment with no strings attached bracket. [Post edited 28 Jan 2015 14:23]
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| what would american investors want on 14:58 - Jan 28 with 4654 views | NOTRAC |
Why would investors get involved with our club .
The answer in the Americans case is simple.
They see the potential in us for them to make money. | |
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| what would american investors want on 15:11 - Jan 28 with 4619 views | ScoobyWho |
| what would american investors want on 12:04 - Jan 28 by lifelong |
What anyone wants when they invest in something... Make money.
What other reason is there? |
The original members of the swans board in 2002 would disagree. They did it just to save the club. |  |
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