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iS tHERE lIFE aFTER dEATH on 22:22 - Nov 6 by Nogginthenog
It is a true conundrum. Until we have someone who comes back from the dead and tells us there is life after death, I fear we may never know the answer.
However I would refer the learned readers to the behaviour of Elephants who seem to have an inner knowledge of such things by their curiosity with bones of dead ones and their continual returning to the spot where a fellow elephant has died. There may be proof of a spiritual nature in that. By that token it may be that we all have a spirtual side that lives on when the physical being is no more.
From dust we are formed and to dust we return is my own belief.
Some things I have seen recently got me thinking though. An episode of through the wormhole where a scientist reckons that the ocean may have the capabilities of a brain, some people also refer to the earth being capable of thought and deed. If we continue to destroy it, it will come back and bite us on the arse. That may also refer to a spiritual side to things.
That's my two penneth anyway. Perhaps in the long run its best we don't know so it may come as a nice surprise when we cast off our mortal coils.
I wish to respond to only one sentence from your post: "From dust we are formed and to dust we return is my own belief."
I assume that you are using that in the same metaphorical sense as organized religion does [to which I will not object]. To use it in the literal sense, we'd be like clay dolls, with no mind, no intellect, no feelings, no morality, no reproduction, no language or other forms of human interaction, etc., etc.
And no life, and, if you will allow me to add, no soul.
My last two paragraphs above are the intellectual dilemma for me.
There is no rational or irrational opinions when it comes to the unknown as it is just that - unknown.
Everyone who says "no way" is just guessing. If i was pushed for an answer myself then i would also say no, the difference being I'm entirely open to the possibility of me being wrong.
Humans are very susceptible to thinking in a very narrow paradigm based on the very limited knowledge humans have amassed during their 195,000 years on the planet, which is shockingly little compared to the 14 billion year old universe. It wasnt that long ago that the notion of a spherical world was also seen as irrational thinking.
Those who know they know nothing, often know most.
iS tHERE lIFE aFTER dEATH on 01:21 - Nov 7 by Davillin
I wish to respond to only one sentence from your post: "From dust we are formed and to dust we return is my own belief."
I assume that you are using that in the same metaphorical sense as organized religion does [to which I will not object]. To use it in the literal sense, we'd be like clay dolls, with no mind, no intellect, no feelings, no morality, no reproduction, no language or other forms of human interaction, etc., etc.
And no life, and, if you will allow me to add, no soul.
My last two paragraphs above are the intellectual dilemma for me.
I was referring to the physical universe and us being made up from tiny atoms formed by the decay of dying stars etc. What we become once those atoms have arranged themselves into us beings with the ability to think and reason is an entirely strange phenomenon. In the end we all decay and die just like the stars that formed us. Whether a soul is left behind as some semblance of our existence is a mystery but it would be somehow reassuring to think it would.
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iS tHERE lIFE aFTER dEATH on 08:25 - Nov 7 with 1251 views
iS tHERE lIFE aFTER dEATH on 01:10 - Nov 7 by Davillin
I'm shocked. I would never have guessed that you would brush off that bit so lightly.
There are some who believe in a single "over-soul" that inhabits every living thing. Follow that to its logical conclusion and, I think, you'll see the possibility of life after death, not a physical life, but life as part of that over-soul. If you want to push the envelope, the over-soul would of necessity include life before physical life.
One thing few people want to talk about is where life itself comes from, and, by extension, where one's soul comes from, and then where it goes.
We are talking about the single most important aspect of human existence, and I fail to see why it should be so simple as it would appear to be without some kind of life beyond the physical.
p.s. I must repeat that I do not intend even the slightest connection with biblical stories.
Guff. Utter guff.
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iS tHERE lIFE aFTER dEATH on 08:45 - Nov 7 with 1238 views
It genuinely amazes me the number of people who still believe this nonsense in the 21st century.
It has long been proven that our thoughts are electrical signals in the brain. We have RAM and a CPU (the brain), wiring (veins and arteries) and even a power supply (heart and lungs) yet people still refuse to accept that we are biological machines.
People are entitled to believe in superstition if they want, but please don't try to pass it off as equally plausible as science.
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iS tHERE lIFE aFTER dEATH on 09:24 - Nov 7 with 1217 views
iS tHERE lIFE aFTER dEATH on 23:53 - Nov 6 by the_oracle
The one time I have ever agreed with you. As a gnostic I believe we all have a soul, one that will finally be returned to God ( not the Christian ,or Islamic god who is the demiurge ie the devil as we understand it) but the true God.
I like this view...it s very close to my own.
After studying the subject personally over many years,my own belief is....
There is no doubt.
Now go out and do some research yourselves then come to your own conclusions...whatever that may be...
PROUD RECIPIENT OF THE THIRD PLANET SWANS LIFETIME ACHIEVEMENT AWARD.
"Per ardua ad astra"
iS tHERE lIFE aFTER dEATH on 08:45 - Nov 7 by Morfa_Same
It genuinely amazes me the number of people who still believe this nonsense in the 21st century.
It has long been proven that our thoughts are electrical signals in the brain. We have RAM and a CPU (the brain), wiring (veins and arteries) and even a power supply (heart and lungs) yet people still refuse to accept that we are biological machines.
People are entitled to believe in superstition if they want, but please don't try to pass it off as equally plausible as science.
I don't see the correlation. You are talking about the mechanics of a body which isn't disputed by anyone as far as i am aware. Im pretty sure "science" has never claimed to know what happens after you die so the notion of some sort of life after death being more plausible than science isn't a relative thing.
Life is energy and energy gives life - without it we wouldn't exist irrespective of mechanics of our physical bodies. Once i die, my energy remains (factual) - if the same energy which gave me life then gave another animal life (larvae for example) then my energy would live on. That is one example of how humans limited knowledge still gives a reasoning to "life" after death.
What people consider "life" however is different to everyone. Some people consider life after death as the conscious human life, the only reference source they have. There are an infinite amount of possibilities outside our understanding.
Science is incredibly limited and only explains what we know, it doesn't even begin to tell us what we don't.
iS tHERE lIFE aFTER dEATH on 09:25 - Nov 7 by Parlay
I don't see the correlation. You are talking about the mechanics of a body which isn't disputed by anyone as far as i am aware. Im pretty sure "science" has never claimed to know what happens after you die so the notion of some sort of life after death being more plausible than science isn't a relative thing.
Life is energy and energy gives life - without it we wouldn't exist irrespective of mechanics of our physical bodies. Once i die, my energy remains (factual) - if the same energy which gave me life then gave another animal life (larvae for example) then my energy would live on. That is one example of how humans limited knowledge still gives a reasoning to "life" after death.
What people consider "life" however is different to everyone. Some people consider life after death as the conscious human life, the only reference source they have. There are an infinite amount of possibilities outside our understanding.
Science is incredibly limited and only explains what we know, it doesn't even begin to tell us what we don't.
The point was that if our thoughts are electrical signals in our brains, then how can the thoughts continue when the body no longer exists? It would be like a computer continuing to process information after you turn the power off and disassemble it.
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iS tHERE lIFE aFTER dEATH on 09:32 - Nov 7 with 1202 views
iS tHERE lIFE aFTER dEATH on 09:25 - Nov 7 by Parlay
I don't see the correlation. You are talking about the mechanics of a body which isn't disputed by anyone as far as i am aware. Im pretty sure "science" has never claimed to know what happens after you die so the notion of some sort of life after death being more plausible than science isn't a relative thing.
Life is energy and energy gives life - without it we wouldn't exist irrespective of mechanics of our physical bodies. Once i die, my energy remains (factual) - if the same energy which gave me life then gave another animal life (larvae for example) then my energy would live on. That is one example of how humans limited knowledge still gives a reasoning to "life" after death.
What people consider "life" however is different to everyone. Some people consider life after death as the conscious human life, the only reference source they have. There are an infinite amount of possibilities outside our understanding.
Science is incredibly limited and only explains what we know, it doesn't even begin to tell us what we don't.
"Life is energy and energy gives life - without it we wouldn't exist irrespective of mechanics of our physical bodies. Once i die, my energy remains (factual) - if the same energy which gave me life then gave another animal life (larvae for example) then my energy would live on. "
What the actual f*ck is that arse dribble supposed to mean?
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iS tHERE lIFE aFTER dEATH on 09:33 - Nov 7 with 1200 views
iS tHERE lIFE aFTER dEATH on 09:28 - Nov 7 by Morfa_Same
The point was that if our thoughts are electrical signals in our brains, then how can the thoughts continue when the body no longer exists? It would be like a computer continuing to process information after you turn the power off and disassemble it.
If you look at it logically,then of course you are right in the physical sense.
If you believe there is another side to life that cannot be explained by science,I.e. spirituality,then you may be wrong.
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PROUD RECIPIENT OF THE THIRD PLANET SWANS LIFETIME ACHIEVEMENT AWARD.
"Per ardua ad astra"
iS tHERE lIFE aFTER dEATH on 09:28 - Nov 7 by Morfa_Same
The point was that if our thoughts are electrical signals in our brains, then how can the thoughts continue when the body no longer exists? It would be like a computer continuing to process information after you turn the power off and disassemble it.
But you are coming from the only viewpoint of life you have experienced, human life.
Plants are alive, they have no brains and presumably - no thought.
As i said, there are an infinite amount of possibilities regarding life after death. Humans only tend to think of it as "human form" life after death - and therefor dismiss it as our limited knowledge tells us that our bodies decompose so its not possible.
iS tHERE lIFE aFTER dEATH on 09:32 - Nov 7 by WarwickHunt
"Life is energy and energy gives life - without it we wouldn't exist irrespective of mechanics of our physical bodies. Once i die, my energy remains (factual) - if the same energy which gave me life then gave another animal life (larvae for example) then my energy would live on. "
What the actual f*ck is that arse dribble supposed to mean?
It means that energy is the only thing living things have in common, without energy you wouldn't exist. Its called energy transference and ones energy lives on long after death and can also give birth to more life - born from you.
Cant explain it any better im afraid, although in fairness i wouldn't have thought it needs to be.
If there is life after death then many people who's funerals i have been to are miserable twunts....cos not once has any deceased come back to see me!!
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iS tHERE lIFE aFTER dEATH on 09:52 - Nov 7 with 1172 views
iS tHERE lIFE aFTER dEATH on 09:42 - Nov 7 by dickythorpe
If there is life after death then many people who's funerals i have been to are miserable twunts....cos not once has any deceased come back to see me!!
Ive never seen an electron but they exist and have been in contact with billions upon billions of them without my knowing, to think however they dont exist as a result would be foolish and the notion that they do would have been seen as ridiculous not so long ago to a people whom, just like us today, think they knew the ways of life and indeed, the world. In 10,000 years people will look back at todays age and scoff at how little we know.
On that note - when electrons are split in half or indeed deceased as their current form, they continue on as two separate particles. Everything in this world is made up of particles, including humans. When they no longer take up the human form after death - they will continue as other things often in differing form.
So the question should really be "what is life?" before one can muse as to whether it continues as many seem to think of life as human brain activity, which is bizarre as 99.9999% of things considered alive dont have human brain activity at all.
iS tHERE lIFE aFTER dEATH on 09:52 - Nov 7 by Parlay
Ive never seen an electron but they exist and have been in contact with billions upon billions of them without my knowing, to think however they dont exist as a result would be foolish and the notion that they do would have been seen as ridiculous not so long ago to a people whom, just like us today, think they knew the ways of life and indeed, the world. In 10,000 years people will look back at todays age and scoff at how little we know.
On that note - when electrons are split in half or indeed deceased as their current form, they continue on as two separate particles. Everything in this world is made up of particles, including humans. When they no longer take up the human form after death - they will continue as other things often in differing form.
So the question should really be "what is life?" before one can muse as to whether it continues as many seem to think of life as human brain activity, which is bizarre as 99.9999% of things considered alive dont have human brain activity at all.
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Electrons, protons, neutrons they never ask how you are or take you out for a pint!! TWUNTS!!!!
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iS tHERE lIFE aFTER dEATH on 09:57 - Nov 7 with 1034 views
iS tHERE lIFE aFTER dEATH on 09:37 - Nov 7 by Parlay
It means that energy is the only thing living things have in common, without energy you wouldn't exist. Its called energy transference and ones energy lives on long after death and can also give birth to more life - born from you.
Cant explain it any better im afraid, although in fairness i wouldn't have thought it needs to be.
You could start by explaining exactly what this "energy" is and how it's "transferred."
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iS tHERE lIFE aFTER dEATH (n/t) on 10:24 - Nov 7 with 999 views
iS tHERE lIFE aFTER dEATH (n/t) on 10:07 - Nov 7 by WarwickHunt
You could start by explaining exactly what this "energy" is and how it's "transferred."
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That is like asking how long is a piece of string in terms of how it is transferred.
A parallel between plant and animal life is energy which is what I touched upon earlier. Its the thing we have in common, yet both described as alive - or bearing life. Animals can make use of their mitochondria to create their energy. These produce a versatile energy currency in the form of adenosine triphosphate (ATP). This high-energy molecule stores the energy we need to do just about everything we do, so is this the basis of life?
This energy often doesn't die but is transferred. So again, the question should be asked "what is life" before it can be explored. It seems many are coming from the angle that human brain activity means life and don't seem willing to shift their thought from that narrow paradigm when in fact there are endless examples of life around us that don't have human form, don't have any brain activity what so ever and often formed from other things.
iS tHERE lIFE aFTER dEATH (n/t) on 10:24 - Nov 7 by Parlay
That is like asking how long is a piece of string in terms of how it is transferred.
A parallel between plant and animal life is energy which is what I touched upon earlier. Its the thing we have in common, yet both described as alive - or bearing life. Animals can make use of their mitochondria to create their energy. These produce a versatile energy currency in the form of adenosine triphosphate (ATP). This high-energy molecule stores the energy we need to do just about everything we do, so is this the basis of life?
This energy often doesn't die but is transferred. So again, the question should be asked "what is life" before it can be explored. It seems many are coming from the angle that human brain activity means life and don't seem willing to shift their thought from that narrow paradigm when in fact there are endless examples of life around us that don't have human form, don't have any brain activity what so ever and often formed from other things.
No f*cking idea then. Colour me surprised.
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iS tHERE lIFE aFTER dEATH (n/t) on 10:35 - Nov 7 with 986 views
iS tHERE lIFE aFTER dEATH (n/t) on 10:28 - Nov 7 by WarwickHunt
No f*cking idea then. Colour me surprised.
No idea about what? Life after death? Absolutely not. Neither do you.
No Idea about what ive just explained to you? I do indeed and explained it as well as I can, which is perfectly understandable for those willing to take it on board.
If you don't understand something just say and we can form a debate you seem to have taken on the role of disruptor rather than contributor, i assume born out of your initial brash and ill thought out stonewall answer that cannot be rationalised by anyone, including seemingly, yourself.
iS tHERE lIFE aFTER dEATH (n/t) on 10:35 - Nov 7 by Parlay
No idea about what? Life after death? Absolutely not. Neither do you.
No Idea about what ive just explained to you? I do indeed and explained it as well as I can, which is perfectly understandable for those willing to take it on board.
If you don't understand something just say and we can form a debate you seem to have taken on the role of disruptor rather than contributor, i assume born out of your initial brash and ill thought out stonewall answer that cannot be rationalised by anyone, including seemingly, yourself.
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Difference is, old fruit, I don't make up fairy stories and claim abstractions as facts.
By the way - is this "energy transference" thing from the corpse in proportion to body weight?
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iS tHERE lIFE aFTER dEATH on 10:57 - Nov 7 with 967 views
iS tHERE lIFE aFTER dEATH (n/t) on 10:55 - Nov 7 by WarwickHunt
Difference is, old fruit, I don't make up fairy stories and claim abstractions as facts.
By the way - is this "energy transference" thing from the corpse in proportion to body weight?
What fairy stories would they be then?
Are you suggesting energy itself and thus energy transference is not a scientific fact then "old fruit"? Thats amazing, and quite a statement to make considering its a fact that cannot be questioned.
almost as ridiculous as your overall contribution to this thread as it goes. Of all the things to be struggling with in this thread of supposition, im staggered you are fixated with something that is common knowledge and currently taught in every education establishment throughout the world.
Seems i was right regarding your intentions in my last spoon fed piece. You cant educate pork. *inset generic smiley here*
iS tHERE lIFE aFTER dEATH (n/t) on 11:10 - Nov 7 by Parlay
What fairy stories would they be then?
Are you suggesting energy itself and thus energy transference is not a scientific fact then "old fruit"? Thats amazing, and quite a statement to make considering its a fact that cannot be questioned.
almost as ridiculous as your overall contribution to this thread as it goes. Of all the things to be struggling with in this thread of supposition, im staggered you are fixated with something that is common knowledge and currently taught in every education establishment throughout the world.
Seems i was right regarding your intentions in my last spoon fed piece. You cant educate pork. *inset generic smiley here*
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Energy transference from a corpse is taught in every educational establishment in the world? Really? Measured in joules, presumably.
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