| Evening Post on Gylfi, Davies and Vorm 10:51 - Jul 21 with 15830 views | JackSomething |
So the Evening Post are reporting (with no quotes or sources) that Gylfi for Ben is a straight swap and will be completed in next few days, while Vorm is going to join Spurs for £2.5m:
http://www.southwales-eveningpost.co.uk/Swansea-City-defender-Ben-Davies-close-T
So it seems Ben and Gylfi have both been valued at around £10m. What do people think of that (if true)?
Personally, I don't think we would have settled for a straight swap if Pablo was still here. I think the need for an AM is so great that the club felt they had to compromise.
Vorm for £2.5m seems a little on the cheap side. How long was left on his contract? [Post edited 21 Jul 2014 10:52]
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| Evening Post on Gylfi, Davies and Vorm on 15:57 - Jul 21 with 2503 views | max936 |
| Evening Post on Gylfi, Davies and Vorm on 15:51 - Jul 21 by Darran |
Massive fail there Max. |
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| Evening Post on Gylfi, Davies and Vorm on 16:03 - Jul 21 with 2486 views | AngelRangelQS |
| Evening Post on Gylfi, Davies and Vorm on 15:47 - Jul 21 by Darran |
Yes,indeed but it won't even come close to paying up his contract.
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No but it may come close to his loss of earnings, ie the difference between what he would have earned at spurs during the next two years minus what he earns with us |  | | |
| Evening Post on Gylfi, Davies and Vorm on 16:05 - Jul 21 with 2474 views | Darran |
| Evening Post on Gylfi, Davies and Vorm on 16:03 - Jul 21 by AngelRangelQS |
No but it may come close to his loss of earnings, ie the difference between what he would have earned at spurs during the next two years minus what he earns with us |
No it won't nothing like it.he might not get anything off Spurs just a signing on fee off us. |  |
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| Evening Post on Gylfi, Davies and Vorm on 16:06 - Jul 21 with 2466 views | Zut_Alors |
| Evening Post on Gylfi, Davies and Vorm on 16:03 - Jul 21 by AngelRangelQS |
No but it may come close to his loss of earnings, ie the difference between what he would have earned at spurs during the next two years minus what he earns with us |
This. Say that worked out to 20K a week over 2 years, just over 2 million. Seems about right. |  | | |
| Evening Post on Gylfi, Davies and Vorm on 16:11 - Jul 21 with 2439 views | AngelRangelQS |
| Evening Post on Gylfi, Davies and Vorm on 16:05 - Jul 21 by Darran |
No it won't nothing like it.he might not get anything off Spurs just a signing on fee off us. |
Wouldn't that be deducted from his loss of earnings? | | | |
| Evening Post on Gylfi, Davies and Vorm on 16:18 - Jul 21 with 2403 views | Darran |
| Evening Post on Gylfi, Davies and Vorm on 16:11 - Jul 21 by AngelRangelQS |
Wouldn't that be deducted from his loss of earnings? |
Not necessarily IMO,the days of earning ten bob a week have long gone these players are not short of dosh. | |
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| Evening Post on Gylfi, Davies and Vorm on 16:19 - Jul 21 with 2395 views | WarwickHunt |
| Evening Post on Gylfi, Davies and Vorm on 16:06 - Jul 21 by Zut_Alors |
This. Say that worked out to 20K a week over 2 years, just over 2 million. Seems about right. |
That way we keep our wage structure intact. Honest. |  | | |
| Evening Post on Gylfi, Davies and Vorm on 16:26 - Jul 21 with 2348 views | bluenile |
"The 30-year-old Netherlands international has been granted permission to speak to Spurs via his representative after the Premier League clubs agreed a fee over the weekend, thought to be in the region of £5million.
The proposed deal is complex and dependent to an extent on a separate agreement for left-back Ben Davies to join Spurs and for midfielder Gylfi Sigurdsson to move in the opposite direction."...................£5 Mill sounds more like it, whichever way all three sides add up! |  |
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| Evening Post on Gylfi, Davies and Vorm on 16:29 - Jul 21 with 2330 views | bluenile |
| Evening Post on Gylfi, Davies and Vorm on 12:08 - Jul 21 by raynor94 |
What making a million pound profit on a keeper who hasn't played or been rubbish for the last eighteen months, seems like a good deal to me |
The last 18 months...........feck me there was a look-a-like in goal in all the games I saw..............................good likeness though, well done Huw for finding him............. | |
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| Evening Post on Gylfi, Davies and Vorm on 16:30 - Jul 21 with 2324 views | bluenile |
| Evening Post on Gylfi, Davies and Vorm on 13:08 - Jul 21 by Shaky |
What is it about the word swap you don't understand, Lisa? |
Fair play she's shown you up well there..............well done Lisa! | |
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| Evening Post on Gylfi, Davies and Vorm on 16:35 - Jul 21 with 2301 views | raynor94 |
| Evening Post on Gylfi, Davies and Vorm on 16:29 - Jul 21 by bluenile |
The last 18 months...........feck me there was a look-a-like in goal in all the games I saw..............................good likeness though, well done Huw for finding him............. |
Are you deliberately trying to be dull?dinner his injury at Man City he was out and has been mediocre at best since his return, is it that difficult to understand? |  |
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| Evening Post on Gylfi, Davies and Vorm on 16:38 - Jul 21 with 2287 views | bluenile |
| Evening Post on Gylfi, Davies and Vorm on 14:07 - Jul 21 by Shaky |
Gylfi is entitled to receive whatever somebody is willing to give him.
But Spurs are not **obligated** to pay him anything if they no longer hold his registration.
I suggest you read the story again, which clearly implies there has been a recent revision to the whatever deal may have previously been discussed: http://www.southwales-eveningpost.co.uk/Swansea-City-defender-Ben-Davies-close-T |
But they would be obligated if the deal didn't go through and he stayed there, hence the need to 'sweeten the pill'...................you really do remind me of a kid in school when I was a kid..............no matter how many times he was told and it was explained to him, he couldn't grasp things, 'course he couldn't see that either!  | |
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| Evening Post on Gylfi, Davies and Vorm on 16:40 - Jul 21 with 2277 views | Shaky |
| Evening Post on Gylfi, Davies and Vorm on 15:34 - Jul 21 by AngelRangelQS |
The way I see it is that spurs want to use gylfi as the bait for us to sell Ben. It is the card that trumps other interested parties and trumps us saying "we don't need to sell, piss off".
In order to make use of this, two things need to happen - 1 - Swans have to want gylfi, which we do. 2 - gylfi happy to join Swansea. If gylfi doesn't want to come here under any circumstances then it's a no go.
Essentially you are then in a position whereby spurs want gylfi to leave, hence want to terminate/breach the contract the signed with him 2 years ago. If they want to do this, they need to pay compensation as per the contract.
Gylfi ends up happy as he gets first team football without losing any money, Swans get gylfi at an affordable price and spurs get Davies and reduce their wage bill by getting 60% of Gylfi's wages off it.
If spurs are pushing gylfi to go then it's potentially a breach of contract and compensation will therefore be due |
You fail to take into account the possibility that a third party might be interested, which is not at all academic since Palace are widely reported to have had an £8m offer for Gylfi **accepted** by Spurs.
That said it still sounds like he is on his way back to Swansea, but according to your own analysis our negotiating position is just fairly weak. |  |
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| Evening Post on Gylfi, Davies and Vorm on 16:43 - Jul 21 with 2256 views | Shaky |
| Evening Post on Gylfi, Davies and Vorm on 16:30 - Jul 21 by bluenile |
Fair play she's shown you up well there..............well done Lisa! |
I'd say you should focus every ounce of your concentration on your battle of wits with raynor, a fascinating contest between two unarmed men. | |
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| Evening Post on Gylfi, Davies and Vorm on 16:48 - Jul 21 with 2234 views | MoscowJack |
Shaky, you're losing. Again. Lisa's right - again.
Siggy would reject any move that will give him less than his reported 50k a week and Spurs are happy to "pay" (ie value him at less) the 2m he would lose in wages if he joined us. It's really, really simple.
Swans end up keeping their wage limits in place (although in equally a gray way as they did when signing Gomis!), Siggy's still getting 50k a week (30k from us, 2m from Spuds over 2 years paid in advance possibly) and everyone's happy.
If you don't believe me, ask your mates at "Goldman" :) |  |
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| Evening Post on Gylfi, Davies and Vorm on 16:48 - Jul 21 with 2232 views | bluenile |
| Evening Post on Gylfi, Davies and Vorm on 16:35 - Jul 21 by raynor94 |
Are you deliberately trying to be dull?dinner his injury at Man City he was out and has been mediocre at best since his return, is it that difficult to understand? |
Hardly mediocre at best, no doubt that injury affected him, my neighbour mentioned that he had noticed his inability to dive low to his right since the injury. Admittedly he's not been great but hardly mediocre..................poor at times would be nearer the mark.................and what does dinner have to do with it? They not fed you in that home yet? | |
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| Evening Post on Gylfi, Davies and Vorm on 16:51 - Jul 21 with 2223 views | raynor94 |
| Evening Post on Gylfi, Davies and Vorm on 16:48 - Jul 21 by bluenile |
Hardly mediocre at best, no doubt that injury affected him, my neighbour mentioned that he had noticed his inability to dive low to his right since the injury. Admittedly he's not been great but hardly mediocre..................poor at times would be nearer the mark.................and what does dinner have to do with it? They not fed you in that home yet? |
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| Evening Post on Gylfi, Davies and Vorm on 17:53 - Jul 21 with 2105 views | bluenile |
| Evening Post on Gylfi, Davies and Vorm on 16:51 - Jul 21 by raynor94 |
Bloody typing on a mobile |
Ok, I know that feeling..........made me laugh though | |
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| Evening Post on Gylfi, Davies and Vorm on 19:44 - Jul 21 with 1945 views | Uxbridge |
| Evening Post on Gylfi, Davies and Vorm on 16:48 - Jul 21 by MoscowJack |
Shaky, you're losing. Again. Lisa's right - again.
Siggy would reject any move that will give him less than his reported 50k a week and Spurs are happy to "pay" (ie value him at less) the 2m he would lose in wages if he joined us. It's really, really simple.
Swans end up keeping their wage limits in place (although in equally a gray way as they did when signing Gomis!), Siggy's still getting 50k a week (30k from us, 2m from Spuds over 2 years paid in advance possibly) and everyone's happy.
If you don't believe me, ask your mates at "Goldman" :) |
I hate to do this but .... either could be right. Or wrong. Thing is we don't know.
No one on here knows the financials of the deal. The fees might be a straight swap or they might not, Spurs might be funding some of his wages to smooth the deal or they might not ... and who knows what's the deal with Vorm is, although personally I reckon we're happy to swap him for Fabianski let alone get some cash in.
This thread seems to have been split between those who see positives in the board and those who don't. Not sure there's much more insight to it than that.
I wouldn't have replied but frankly I'm disappointed the chief protagonists only took this to page 3. Not good enough. |  |
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| Evening Post on Gylfi, Davies and Vorm on 19:45 - Jul 21 with 1938 views | Neath_Jack |
| Evening Post on Gylfi, Davies and Vorm on 19:44 - Jul 21 by Uxbridge |
I hate to do this but .... either could be right. Or wrong. Thing is we don't know.
No one on here knows the financials of the deal. The fees might be a straight swap or they might not, Spurs might be funding some of his wages to smooth the deal or they might not ... and who knows what's the deal with Vorm is, although personally I reckon we're happy to swap him for Fabianski let alone get some cash in.
This thread seems to have been split between those who see positives in the board and those who don't. Not sure there's much more insight to it than that.
I wouldn't have replied but frankly I'm disappointed the chief protagonists only took this to page 3. Not good enough. |
Go and have a look at the Michu thread, some posts for you to get your teeth into on there. |  |
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| Evening Post on Gylfi, Davies and Vorm on 19:47 - Jul 21 with 1929 views | Uxbridge |
| Evening Post on Gylfi, Davies and Vorm on 19:45 - Jul 21 by Neath_Jack |
Go and have a look at the Michu thread, some posts for you to get your teeth into on there. |
I glanced. Bit too hardcore for my hols. I don't mind wasting the company time but not my own  | |
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| Evening Post on Gylfi, Davies and Vorm on 20:29 - Jul 21 with 1799 views | Starsky |
WHO GIVES A FECKITY FECK???
Ones gone, ones arrived, another one is going, we got some one money as well, we now have a stronger squad.....
END OF FECKING THREAD !!! |  |
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| Evening Post on Gylfi, Davies and Vorm on 20:34 - Jul 21 with 1769 views | Shaky |
| Evening Post on Gylfi, Davies and Vorm on 19:44 - Jul 21 by Uxbridge |
I hate to do this but .... either could be right. Or wrong. Thing is we don't know.
No one on here knows the financials of the deal. The fees might be a straight swap or they might not, Spurs might be funding some of his wages to smooth the deal or they might not ... and who knows what's the deal with Vorm is, although personally I reckon we're happy to swap him for Fabianski let alone get some cash in.
This thread seems to have been split between those who see positives in the board and those who don't. Not sure there's much more insight to it than that.
I wouldn't have replied but frankly I'm disappointed the chief protagonists only took this to page 3. Not good enough. |
I fear you are talking to what us financial geniuses would refer to as a special purpose vehicle there, Uxbridge.
As for the substance of your post I agree with you. We don't even know for sure whether there will be a deal involving Gylfi, and certainly not the terms.
All we can say with certainty is that the most recent reports from the press suggest a straight swap, whereas Lisa's proprietary mystical techniques have enabled her to form the cast iron opinion that Spurs are contributing a large wodge towards Gylfi's wages.
We shall see. [Post edited 21 Jul 2014 20:35]
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| Evening Post on Gylfi, Davies and Vorm on 20:43 - Jul 21 with 1726 views | Parlay |
Lisa is correct, not much more to add. |  |
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| Evening Post on Gylfi, Davies and Vorm on 20:49 - Jul 21 with 1694 views | Uxbridge |
| Evening Post on Gylfi, Davies and Vorm on 20:34 - Jul 21 by Shaky |
I fear you are talking to what us financial geniuses would refer to as a special purpose vehicle there, Uxbridge.
As for the substance of your post I agree with you. We don't even know for sure whether there will be a deal involving Gylfi, and certainly not the terms.
All we can say with certainty is that the most recent reports from the press suggest a straight swap, whereas Lisa's proprietary mystical techniques have enabled her to form the cast iron opinion that Spurs are contributing a large wodge towards Gylfi's wages.
We shall see. [Post edited 21 Jul 2014 20:35]
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I'm not sure this is the place for such terminology old chap.
Might just be me, but I'm not one who'll put much store in a couple of journo's getting the correct details on the sums either. Not really in Spurs interests to advertise or ours. Would certainly look like Gylfi is happening. I'd welcome him back as fills a hole but big price to pay with loss of one of our crown jewels.
We shall see indeed. The truth will turn up soon enough, or at least a version of it. | |
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