| Can I ask... 13:49 - Jun 5 with 2009 views | CTB184 |
Why do (some) Welsh people dislike the English so much? And vice-versa...
Now I understand this is clearly going to be a heated debate but some actual answers would be nice.
I have lived in England all my life but have Welsh roots. To be honest, I just consider myself British with mixed roots. Looking at history, we all have a bit of various nations in all of us. I love both Welsh and English people and on the whole think they're really nice and very friendly. Obviously, there are some who aren't so nice and seem to hate the English with a passion. There are also English people who equally hate the Welsh (for no apparent reason). Strangely enough, as someone with an English accent, I find the Welsh accent really nice to listen to and makes Welsh folk seem far more friendly.
Now I'm not just talking football here. I'm talking general people across the two countries whether they follow football or not. Swansea City play in an English league and have an English manger and English players yet there's no hate towards them?
And I know it's not just English-Welsh relations. There are obviously other people with hateful thoughts to other nations too (such as the Scottish or French).
No hating on me please, I'm just asking a question and would like some food for thought! |  |
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| Can I ask... on 13:51 - Jun 5 with 1996 views | Darran |
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| Can I ask... on 14:05 - Jun 5 with 1961 views | Bovi |
Submerging Welsh villages for English people to get water
Dictating to us from Westminster what to do
Treason of the blue books
The list goes on and on and on but I'd be here all fcuking week. If you say anything against someone' who's black/Asian/ Muslim/ Hindu etc etc (delete as appropriate) then you're called a racist, say something anti Welsh but that's ok. Fcuk them I say, got no time for fcuking Ingerlund and the vast majority of cu-nts that live there. There are some decent ones but not many |  |
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| Can I ask... on 14:07 - Jun 5 with 1958 views | Lord_Bony |
It s historical rivalry that goes back to the days of Owain Glyndwr.the welsh name of England is Y Lloegr which means lost land of the Celts.
All that killing and violence left a slight aftertaste hundreds of years later,plus the fact the welsh language was surpressed by the English overlords and people treated unkindly.
These days the rivalry is friendly and is played out on the sports field not the battlefield.
Personally, I have nothing whatsoever against the English or even modern day Germans. [Post edited 5 Jun 2014 14:10]
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| Can I ask... on 14:17 - Jun 5 with 1924 views | CTB184 |
| Can I ask... on 14:07 - Jun 5 by Lord_Bony |
It s historical rivalry that goes back to the days of Owain Glyndwr.the welsh name of England is Y Lloegr which means lost land of the Celts.
All that killing and violence left a slight aftertaste hundreds of years later,plus the fact the welsh language was surpressed by the English overlords and people treated unkindly.
These days the rivalry is friendly and is played out on the sports field not the battlefield.
Personally, I have nothing whatsoever against the English or even modern day Germans. [Post edited 5 Jun 2014 14:10]
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Yeah, the Welsh language is one of the 'truer' languages of Britain whereas English originally comes from Europe (Germany mostly I believe). That's going back hundreds and hundreds of years to the Saxons and other invasions though. (My history is a little shaky).
Mostly today it's just hating on the government in London I find. What the Welsh (and Scottish and Irish) struggle to understand though is that anyone outside of London hates London politics, doesn't matter which part of the UK they're from. | |
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| Can I ask... on 14:51 - Jun 5 with 1887 views | treboethjack |
I think it's a mixture of things. The obvious one being history such as battles and trying to destroy our language etc. I also believe another factor to consider is the proximity of the 2 countries, think of it as a rivalry similar to the way Swansea and Cardiff dislike each other as cities.
I have many English friends who are lovely people and I have also met English people who think they can look down on us Welsh so I guess it's swings and roundabouts. Although I am born and raised in Swansea, I have some English blood in me whilst I am also a fluent Welsh speaker so am a proud Welshman. |  |
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| Can I ask... on 15:04 - Jun 5 with 1870 views | jackportis |
Dissapointed that a racial thread has made it on this site. But for me its the arrogance and smugnus of the rugby. There is a poor warmth with the english. Secondly what do you class as english? Muslims, asians, chinese, indian. Not sure what the identity is. Thats the reality of england. Oh hang on those that have to advertise this will soon have plebby car flags. |  |
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| Can I ask... on 15:19 - Jun 5 with 1858 views | CTB184 |
| Can I ask... on 15:04 - Jun 5 by jackportis |
Dissapointed that a racial thread has made it on this site. But for me its the arrogance and smugnus of the rugby. There is a poor warmth with the english. Secondly what do you class as english? Muslims, asians, chinese, indian. Not sure what the identity is. Thats the reality of england. Oh hang on those that have to advertise this will soon have plebby car flags. |
There may be poor warmth from the English but equally there is negativity from the Welsh (just an observation, not a personal opinion). I basically started this thread due to the recent comments made on this site regarding some comments towards the England football team. Whilst there's no issue with most, some comments from people stating they won't support England (for whatever reason they choose) is followed by obscenity. I don't care which country people support but they can at least be nice about it. Many people often follow two. There are currently some in Swansea supporting the Ivory Coast because of Bony yet I doubt they would have supported them if he didn't play for Swansea.
As for the "what do you class as English", that just comes down to a culture identity issue. It's definitely become a more widespread conversation in recent years with the tolerance towards immigration dwindling. Being English or British is definied as following the values and proper cultures of the country. Definitely a complex subject with divided opinions I'm sure. If you are born in a country but do not follow their culture and uphold their values, would you consider yourself part of that country as you were born there? | |
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| Can I ask... on 15:25 - Jun 5 with 1850 views | llangyfelach |
Can I just say that I think everyone is lovely, and I bet you all have smashing blouses on |  |
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| Can I ask... on 15:34 - Jun 5 with 1833 views | DwightYorkeSuperstar |
I think the Welsh people who have a strong hatred of England usually live in some sort of poverty and blame the English for it. |  |
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| Can I ask... on 16:10 - Jun 5 with 1798 views | Jackhero |
Born a Jack, raised in England, Welsh through and through. I have a very strong English accent. So I have quite good first hand experience of the hatred some of my fellow countrymen have of the English.
I get judged a lot for my accent and to be honest it's very tedious sometimes trying to explain to those people that I actually am Welsh. Usually they are half wits and usually I meet them in the pub on a match day. Says it all really as most people are very nice.
I couldn't actually answer the OP's original question of why, but it's amazing that these people that are quite rude to me without knowing my history have actually lived as long as they have.
One of the worst offenders is a distant acquaintance I sometimes run into on match days, it's lucky I'm a passive person as other people, my own brother being one would have knocked the bloke out years ago as he's quite openly a hater of anything that's not Swansea..................yet he was born in Cardiff!  |  |
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