| Kicking off in Strady 18:53 - Aug 14 with 16639 views | shingle |
Watching a live stream video of it now Police inciting things by the look of it four of them forcefully grabbing and arresting an old man who has to be in his seventies and now they have realised he was the wrong guy and let the poor sod go crazy times. |  | | |  |
| Kicking off in Strady on 20:26 - Aug 16 with 1534 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Kicking off in Strady on 22:09 - Aug 15 by max936 |
I know first hand the work they do and the hours they work and the callouts they get and yes they are doing an excellent job even with their hands tied behind their backs most of the time, you ain't got a clue take you ignorance elsewhere! |
Who are you to judge this matter ?
Its self evidence that the Border Force concept has failed.
The boats keep coming and coming.
An organisational failure. Its clear.
You are simply pretending.
Not a failure of the employees themselves, so do you understand the difference ? |  |
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| Kicking off in Strady on 20:29 - Aug 16 with 1528 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Kicking off in Strady on 22:37 - Aug 15 by Badgeman |
Do you have any idea what the acceptance rates are right now under the Tories for asylum seeking applicants from Albania? How do you think that squares with our capacity as a nation to house people?
Again, as has been pointed out to you, no one on the mainstream left of British politics is advocating to “get as many in as possible,” as you put it. What you’ve cited is four years out of date and does not relate to asylum policy which is the matter at hand here. You might as well have cited the da Vinci code.
Call me old fashioned but I don’t think it’s common sense to blame the people who aren’t in charge of the borders for the state they are in. Common sense surely dictates that you blame the people who are responsible, not just a vague grouping of people you don’t like? |
Spot on.
Englands Tories have failed the uk. | |
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| Kicking off in Strady on 20:32 - Aug 16 with 1522 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Kicking off in Strady on 18:51 - Aug 16 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
“Those responsible” are the criminal gangs who illegally traffick people for money resulting in the deaths of thousands of people.
No matter how crap and impotent our various governments demonstrably are this is the root cause. It needs a proper coordinated international effort. But immigration is very often swept under the carpet by many governments as they don’t want to be labelled far right or racist. |
Leaving the EU did not help much with co-ordinated international efforts.
Who would have thought ? | |
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| Kicking off in Strady on 20:34 - Aug 16 with 1517 views | Gwyn737 |
I’m starting to think this is a deliberate policy as opposed to incompetence.
Takes the heat of other issues. Polls consistently show that illegal immigration is down the list of people’s current priorities, behind cost of living, the NHS and the environment. | | | |
| Kicking off in Strady on 22:03 - Aug 16 with 1475 views | majorraglan |
| Kicking off in Strady on 18:51 - Aug 16 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
“Those responsible” are the criminal gangs who illegally traffick people for money resulting in the deaths of thousands of people.
No matter how crap and impotent our various governments demonstrably are this is the root cause. It needs a proper coordinated international effort. But immigration is very often swept under the carpet by many governments as they don’t want to be labelled far right or racist. |
The criminal gangs have a huge part to play, but so does government incompetence.
We’ve gone from having around 37,000 outstanding applications in 2017 to around 160,000 today. How on earth has that happened? How have the government allowed the number of claims to snowball? Any competent government would have put more resources in to the team dealing with the applications and once the outcome was determined - if the result was outski they should have deported the person pronto. In terms of the Albanians, there aren’t going to many of them with bona fide reasons to claim asylum. | | | |
| Kicking off in Strady on 22:20 - Aug 16 with 1468 views | max936 |
| Kicking off in Strady on 20:26 - Aug 16 by Kilkennyjack |
Who are you to judge this matter ?
Its self evidence that the Border Force concept has failed.
The boats keep coming and coming.
An organisational failure. Its clear.
You are simply pretending.
Not a failure of the employees themselves, so do you understand the difference ? |
I understand plenty, you have no idea what goes on, none at all!
Plenty of evidence on this thread along with countless others, I know the difference you obviously don't, your suggestion on here proves that with this insult from last night.
"Maybe they would be better at catering or DIY ?" Just a little joke I expect was it 
I'll leave you to carry on in your delusional little world. |  |
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| Kicking off in Strady on 22:28 - Aug 16 with 1456 views | raynor94 |
| Kicking off in Strady on 22:20 - Aug 16 by max936 |
I understand plenty, you have no idea what goes on, none at all!
Plenty of evidence on this thread along with countless others, I know the difference you obviously don't, your suggestion on here proves that with this insult from last night.
"Maybe they would be better at catering or DIY ?" Just a little joke I expect was it
I'll leave you to carry on in your delusional little world. |
The idiot has no idea whatsoever about employment, easy to sit behind his keyboard and criticize hard working people |  |
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| Kicking off in Strady on 22:34 - Aug 16 with 1445 views | KeithHaynes |
| Kicking off in Strady on 20:34 - Aug 16 by Gwyn737 |
I’m starting to think this is a deliberate policy as opposed to incompetence.
Takes the heat of other issues. Polls consistently show that illegal immigration is down the list of people’s current priorities, behind cost of living, the NHS and the environment. |
Everything that every govt does has an agenda and an end game, for me quite often clouded by the issue at hand. If anyone thinks that any govt wants its people to succeed and prosper they are deluded.
PS : This is a ‘hot topic’ in Partridge terms, be nice to each other. |  |
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| Kicking off in Strady on 22:58 - Aug 16 with 1423 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| Kicking off in Strady on 20:32 - Aug 16 by Kilkennyjack |
Leaving the EU did not help much with co-ordinated international efforts.
Who would have thought ? |
Do you actually read what you reply to or is it just a generic knee jerk case of written diahorrea? The vacant splurge of any old words, the splatter hitting everywhere but the water at the bottom of the bowl? |  |
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| Kicking off in Strady on 23:03 - Aug 16 with 1420 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| Kicking off in Strady on 22:03 - Aug 16 by majorraglan |
The criminal gangs have a huge part to play, but so does government incompetence.
We’ve gone from having around 37,000 outstanding applications in 2017 to around 160,000 today. How on earth has that happened? How have the government allowed the number of claims to snowball? Any competent government would have put more resources in to the team dealing with the applications and once the outcome was determined - if the result was outski they should have deported the person pronto. In terms of the Albanians, there aren’t going to many of them with bona fide reasons to claim asylum. |
Again, when people turn up with no documents claiming to be children even though they clearly aren’t, how can we possibly process them?
The number of outstanding applications has increased because the number of people employing the services of people traffickers has increased.
Everyone put the party politics bollocks aside for just a few minutes and actually think for a moment. | |
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| Kicking off in Strady on 23:23 - Aug 16 with 1411 views | raynor94 |
| Kicking off in Strady on 22:03 - Aug 16 by majorraglan |
The criminal gangs have a huge part to play, but so does government incompetence.
We’ve gone from having around 37,000 outstanding applications in 2017 to around 160,000 today. How on earth has that happened? How have the government allowed the number of claims to snowball? Any competent government would have put more resources in to the team dealing with the applications and once the outcome was determined - if the result was outski they should have deported the person pronto. In terms of the Albanians, there aren’t going to many of them with bona fide reasons to claim asylum. |
Because there are thousands more arriving here yearly since 2017.
No passports no documents, no wonder there's a backlog! | |
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| Kicking off in Strady on 10:07 - Aug 17 with 1333 views | Boundy |
| Kicking off in Strady on 22:03 - Aug 16 by majorraglan |
The criminal gangs have a huge part to play, but so does government incompetence.
We’ve gone from having around 37,000 outstanding applications in 2017 to around 160,000 today. How on earth has that happened? How have the government allowed the number of claims to snowball? Any competent government would have put more resources in to the team dealing with the applications and once the outcome was determined - if the result was outski they should have deported the person pronto. In terms of the Albanians, there aren’t going to many of them with bona fide reasons to claim asylum. |
One point, I have no idea what the process is to employ additional vetting agencies ,what qualifications are required ,what is the pay structure ,are the right people available who want to do the job.
Maybe it's not that simple to demand more resources when those resources are not available | |
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| Kicking off in Strady on 15:50 - Aug 17 with 1252 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Kicking off in Strady on 22:28 - Aug 16 by raynor94 |
The idiot has no idea whatsoever about employment, easy to sit behind his keyboard and criticize hard working people |
The organisation has failed.
No getting away from it.
Boats keep on coming. | |
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| Kicking off in Strady on 09:45 - Aug 18 with 1158 views | controversial_jack |
| Kicking off in Strady on 15:50 - Aug 17 by Kilkennyjack |
The organisation has failed.
No getting away from it.
Boats keep on coming. |
There's nothing we can do, we are stuck with them. Karma for all the shit we have causes around the world | | | |
| Kicking off in Strady on 10:12 - Aug 18 with 1131 views | Whiterockin |
| Kicking off in Strady on 09:45 - Aug 18 by controversial_jack |
There's nothing we can do, we are stuck with them. Karma for all the shit we have causes around the world |
There was an interesting piece on the news yesterday evening regarding the work being done on the French coast. This is quite successful by stopping migrants entering the water, slashing boats arrests ect but clearly not successful enough. Jointly funded by the UK with night surveillance helicopters and ground forces, this is where IMO we need to concentrate the financial resources. 70 miles of coastline is hard to manage, but it has to be done. |  | | |
| Kicking off in Strady on 12:09 - Aug 18 with 1095 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| Kicking off in Strady on 09:45 - Aug 18 by controversial_jack |
There's nothing we can do, we are stuck with them. Karma for all the shit we have causes around the world |
Looking at it logically the last place you’d want to go is the country that “caused all the shit”. | |
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| Kicking off in Strady on 12:23 - Aug 18 with 1081 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| Kicking off in Strady on 10:12 - Aug 18 by Whiterockin |
There was an interesting piece on the news yesterday evening regarding the work being done on the French coast. This is quite successful by stopping migrants entering the water, slashing boats arrests ect but clearly not successful enough. Jointly funded by the UK with night surveillance helicopters and ground forces, this is where IMO we need to concentrate the financial resources. 70 miles of coastline is hard to manage, but it has to be done. |
Talking about the boats can’t the authorities find out where they are coming from? They must be manufactured somewhere en masse and transported to the rural coastline. I read once they have them shipped in all the way from Turkey. If the EU checked that border with the same passion they seem to want to check the Irish border with surely they’d find them and put a stop to them. | |
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| Kicking off in Strady on 12:40 - Aug 18 with 1074 views | Wingstandwood |
| Kicking off in Strady on 10:12 - Aug 18 by Whiterockin |
There was an interesting piece on the news yesterday evening regarding the work being done on the French coast. This is quite successful by stopping migrants entering the water, slashing boats arrests ect but clearly not successful enough. Jointly funded by the UK with night surveillance helicopters and ground forces, this is where IMO we need to concentrate the financial resources. 70 miles of coastline is hard to manage, but it has to be done. |
I watched an interesting news item where a U.K fisherman described in great detail the daily process of what he has witnessed on a relentless basis.
Apparently 'successful' waterborne small boats that have evaded detection are then escorted out of French territorial waters by French navy to avoid the dangers of busy shipping lanes. They are then met half way by welcoming parties involving British vessels in U.K territorial waters with what looks to be some kind of organised/pre-arranged hand-over.
So basically on one hand criminal smuggling gangs are having their plans thwarted and on the other they are being aided and abetted by people that have become THE vital 'third-party' cog in the smuggling racket.
That is the irony of it all i.e. the U.K has itself become a participant in the whole dirty business' and the people smuggling gangs, I guess cannot believe their luck? You could tell that the aforementioned fisherman (lots of commons sense this guy had!) could see the absolute farcical lunacy of it all. |  |
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| Kicking off in Strady on 12:56 - Aug 18 with 1055 views | AnotherJohn |
| Kicking off in Strady on 04:48 - Aug 15 by Kilkennyjack |
Only Tory Uk government is responsible for the small boats keeping on coming after the uk took back control.
The Tories appointed the Clandestine Channel Threat Commander in 2020.
We don't hear an awful lot about him any more.
I wonder how his new job is going .. |
I'm not keen on either of the main parties, but theere is little doubt that we would have even more inward migration under Labour. The idea that the Dublin Regulation was controlling the problem of undocumented migrants is risible. The sad fact is that in most recent years more migrants were returned to the UK under Dublin that transferred from the UK to other EU countries under the regulation.
Outward Returns Inward Returns
2015 510 131
2016 362 558
2017 314 461
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| Kicking off in Strady on 13:30 - Aug 18 with 1037 views | onehunglow |
| Kicking off in Strady on 23:03 - Aug 16 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
Again, when people turn up with no documents claiming to be children even though they clearly aren’t, how can we possibly process them?
The number of outstanding applications has increased because the number of people employing the services of people traffickers has increased.
Everyone put the party politics bollocks aside for just a few minutes and actually think for a moment. |
The government incompetence a pertains to how they Fight criminal gangs who rung rings around the,.
With matter so dangerous politicians like Corbyn should be urging them NO to come and stay safe in any of the EU countries they pass through | |
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| Kicking off in Strady on 14:11 - Aug 18 with 1026 views | Wingstandwood |
| Kicking off in Strady on 13:30 - Aug 18 by onehunglow |
The government incompetence a pertains to how they Fight criminal gangs who rung rings around the,.
With matter so dangerous politicians like Corbyn should be urging them NO to come and stay safe in any of the EU countries they pass through |
I am utterly bemused why certain individuals are so unconcerned with, and in fact in some cases advocate the complete and utter abandonment of border control?
Talk about warped minds that defy all rational thinking and common sense. The recent mass arrests involving foreign organised criminal drugs gangs throughout the entire length and breadth of South Wales and the U.K, fazes them not one jot.
Like I said the loony lefty's solution to solve all this is to let even more undocumented individuals in and to aid and abette them with logistical support and assistance.
But hey folks, just flood the U.K's streets with foreign drug dealers, OCG's and criminality end product of, because in warped immature minds that's far better than checking for passports and DBS favourable documentation. [Post edited 18 Aug 2023 14:14]
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| Kicking off in Strady on 14:17 - Aug 18 with 1021 views | Badgeman |
| Kicking off in Strady on 14:11 - Aug 18 by Wingstandwood |
I am utterly bemused why certain individuals are so unconcerned with, and in fact in some cases advocate the complete and utter abandonment of border control?
Talk about warped minds that defy all rational thinking and common sense. The recent mass arrests involving foreign organised criminal drugs gangs throughout the entire length and breadth of South Wales and the U.K, fazes them not one jot.
Like I said the loony lefty's solution to solve all this is to let even more undocumented individuals in and to aid and abette them with logistical support and assistance.
But hey folks, just flood the U.K's streets with foreign drug dealers, OCG's and criminality end product of, because in warped immature minds that's far better than checking for passports and DBS favourable documentation. [Post edited 18 Aug 2023 14:14]
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| Kicking off in Strady on 14:20 - Aug 18 with 1017 views | Badgeman |
| Kicking off in Strady on 18:51 - Aug 16 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
“Those responsible” are the criminal gangs who illegally traffick people for money resulting in the deaths of thousands of people.
No matter how crap and impotent our various governments demonstrably are this is the root cause. It needs a proper coordinated international effort. But immigration is very often swept under the carpet by many governments as they don’t want to be labelled far right or racist. |
The criminal gangs are responsible for securing our borders? That is news to me.
There’s no “various governments” to blame for this issue, just the one who’ve been in charge for the last 13 years. | |
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| Kicking off in Strady on 14:27 - Aug 18 with 1008 views | Badgeman |
| Kicking off in Strady on 12:56 - Aug 18 by AnotherJohn |
I'm not keen on either of the main parties, but theere is little doubt that we would have even more inward migration under Labour. The idea that the Dublin Regulation was controlling the problem of undocumented migrants is risible. The sad fact is that in most recent years more migrants were returned to the UK under Dublin that transferred from the UK to other EU countries under the regulation.
Outward Returns Inward Returns
2015 510 131
2016 362 558
2017 314 461
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Both the acceptance rates for asylum seekers and net migration were lower when Labour were last in charge. Your “little doubt” is founded on ignorance and a lack of understanding of numbers. Better luck next time.
https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn01403/#:~:text=As%20of | |
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| Kicking off in Strady on 14:28 - Aug 18 with 1007 views | Wingstandwood |
| Kicking off in Strady on 14:17 - Aug 18 by Badgeman |
And these people who want to abandon control of our border, are they in the room with us now? |
I will make the obvious suggestion that the signatories of the border scrapping Schengen agreement, lawyers who abuse the goodwill of the human rights laws, successive governments Labour and Tory that have over-populated the U.K without keeping up with infrastrucre and public services, WOKE loons, lefty loons, cloud-cuckoo loons and people with zero common sense and forward planning?
They are all in the same room, albeit probably padded I guess?
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