| Julio Cesar 10:28 - May 21 with 5277 views | exiled_dictator |
Lucas Podolski, or possibly someone calling themselves Lucas Podolski, has tweeted that Julio Cesar will be joining Arsenal for next season and has already been to the training ground.
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| Julio Cesar on 00:17 - May 22 with 594 views | Neil_SI |
By way of comparison, if it really is true that Andros Townsend was paid around two or three thousand a week here, then that means, even if we considered all of January and up until the end of June, we've paid just £72,000 tops for him for the whole period...
It just makes me feel a bit sick, to be honest. |  | | |
| Julio Cesar on 00:18 - May 22 with 586 views | MkPaul |
| Julio Cesar on 00:17 - May 22 by Neil_SI |
By way of comparison, if it really is true that Andros Townsend was paid around two or three thousand a week here, then that means, even if we considered all of January and up until the end of June, we've paid just £72,000 tops for him for the whole period...
It just makes me feel a bit sick, to be honest. |
But wasn't that a waste also? |  | | |
| Julio Cesar on 00:21 - May 22 with 581 views | MkPaul |
| Julio Cesar on 00:10 - May 22 by Neil_SI |
I think it's entirely possible the club will consider granting free transfers for players, and because of what they've done, that's actually sensible in some cases, rather than being lumbered with paying the remainder of their contracts.
If you look at someone like Cesar's case, we signed him on a free transfer, so it's hard to see a year later, another club paying for him when he's still owed £9.36m, which at his age, probably doesn't represent value for money if you then want another £5m on top of that. Do you think he's worth £14.36m?
The only time the club have really assessed the risk is in January. They decided to smash the transfer record twice, for Loïc Rémy and Christopher Samba, which cost them around £20m or so. In the great scheme of things to them, if we managed to survive, the riches from next season's television sponsorships would have effectively paid off that strategy. At the same time, they probably have felt that losing £20m was worth the punt as well, or just attempting to pay the salary of that person for the period between January and June this year.
In effect, if it's true that Rémy has a release clause that's the same for what we paid for him, all he needed to do is prove himself and put himself in the shop window, which he has. There will be a lot of eyes on him at that price (ignoring his recent off the field problems), which means we simply make back what we paid there, at the expense of paying him six months salary of £1.56m. When you look at it that way — the loss is small in comparison and the risk probably correct.
With Samba, it's a different ball game altogether. He cost £12.5m and he arrived unfit and is still unfit, and would cost us £25m overall if he stays and sees out his contract. It's hard to see anybody wanting to pay that over here for a 29 year old defender, or be lumbered with his salary. There's little value in the deal.
And you can say there's little value on offer for so many of our players, especially if they're not willing to take pay cuts or wave signing on fees, etc.
Obviously if the club can sell players at a cut price, then great, any money they receive by way of a transfer fee is a bonus. There are clubs out there in places like China and Qatar that we need to work on, but the players need to be willing as well and it's all about the money. If they're interested in their careers, they'll be a bit of give and take, and we'll soon find that out.
The shame for us, is the players who are reasonable value, are the ones we're likely to see sold but at a cut price. Adel Taarabt for example, would be a reasonable risk to take for some of those Premier League clubs if we are happy to sell at a reduced rate. There are one or two here that fit into, or are close to, other clubs salary structures — but they won't be so stupid as we were to break the bank or put their own salary caps and structures into jeopardy.
QPR can also subsidise as well obviously — if they are paying some part of a players salary - either through shipping them out on loan or just trying to get them off the books, then that's another way and the way that we all don't want to happen.
The interesting issue we have is there are actually a lot of players with just a year on their contract. How do you deal with those guys? Who is going to pay for them? Is it worth keeping them?
For example, Mbia has one year left on his deal. A perfect example of a terrible transfer in the first place considering we paid £5m for him. But he holds all the cards, or we do... we can keep him for a year, see if he can help us, and then watch him leave at the end. Or we can try and either sell him (definitely will be cut price as nobody would pay £5m based on his performances this season and with a year to go)...or we can offload him for free, which is effectively the same as loaning him out for a season and having someone cover his salary.
Whatever happens, it needs some sensible and good brains and minds at work to try and resolve all of the problems. Most importantly for Rangers, is the salary structure needs to be sorted out and that's difficult with the current scenario in front of us.
It needs to offer players much more equality. Sell and get rid of them all, however they can, is what I think they should do. |
I think your arguments are flawed and twisted to suit your opinion, but at least you took the time to write all that | | | |
| Julio Cesar on 00:28 - May 22 with 568 views | Neil_SI |
| Julio Cesar on 00:21 - May 22 by MkPaul |
I think your arguments are flawed and twisted to suit your opinion, but at least you took the time to write all that |
That's fair enough, but our opinions don't really matter at the end of the day. The proof will be what the club does over the coming months. They've created this problem for themselves, so it's up to them to sort it out one way or another. | | | |
| Julio Cesar on 00:33 - May 22 with 558 views | MkPaul |
| Julio Cesar on 00:28 - May 22 by Neil_SI |
That's fair enough, but our opinions don't really matter at the end of the day. The proof will be what the club does over the coming months. They've created this problem for themselves, so it's up to them to sort it out one way or another. |
Agreed, all depends on how much of a risk they can afford to take, if they can't afford risks they may take the route you and others are suggesting, if they can afford to keep the likes of Cesar for another year then they strengthen their position in any negotiations.
And only they know what they can or can't afford [Post edited 1 Jan 1970 1:00]
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| Julio Cesar on 00:35 - May 22 with 554 views | HollowayRanger |
bus fare is £1.40 thats our fee me thinks
love him to go to arsenal that would payback for stealing seamen off us |  |
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| Julio Cesar on 00:39 - May 22 with 554 views | Neil_SI |
| Julio Cesar on 00:33 - May 22 by MkPaul |
Agreed, all depends on how much of a risk they can afford to take, if they can't afford risks they may take the route you and others are suggesting, if they can afford to keep the likes of Cesar for another year then they strengthen their position in any negotiations.
And only they know what they can or can't afford [Post edited 1 Jan 1970 1:00]
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Oh well, I definitely think we can afford it. But it's whether that's sensible or not in terms of the apathy and resentment around the place.
If they want to bring the wage structure downwards, it's going to be harder if they keep hold of high earners, as anybody incoming will know what the score is already.
The other thing the club can do, in its favour, is sideline players. They can simply write off the money they have to pay in salary and effectively end some of those players' careers. That would really be playing hard ball and perhaps they do need to consider that for one or two who have caused problems.
If they can't move José Boswingwa on for example, they can effectively sit him on his contract, hold his registration and end his career on the clubs terms. Even with the players who have a year to go, a year without football at all can be very costly and would mean some of those players could never reach the level they want to.
The club does have cards to play...but they'd need to think very carefully about whether it's sensible or not to go down that route.
The fact that Tony Fernandes and Harry Redknapp have been quite publicly critical now, means that they may have complications when it comes to sorting this out.
Some of the comments have devalued some of the players, some of them will have aggravated some of the players, so when you want an adult situation where all parties lose something and ultimately are happy to cut all ties, we may now get a stubbornness and lack of willingness to give and take. That's the real problem with trying to shift some of them, and they are well within their rights by the terms of their contract too. That's the clubs fault, not the players. | | | |
| Julio Cesar on 09:00 - May 22 with 494 views | Marc |
I am genuinely shocked that Arsenal are even considering Cesar. |  | | |
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| Julio Cesar on 09:31 - May 22 with 466 views | rbsranger |
| Julio Cesar on 00:39 - May 22 by Neil_SI |
Oh well, I definitely think we can afford it. But it's whether that's sensible or not in terms of the apathy and resentment around the place.
If they want to bring the wage structure downwards, it's going to be harder if they keep hold of high earners, as anybody incoming will know what the score is already.
The other thing the club can do, in its favour, is sideline players. They can simply write off the money they have to pay in salary and effectively end some of those players' careers. That would really be playing hard ball and perhaps they do need to consider that for one or two who have caused problems.
If they can't move José Boswingwa on for example, they can effectively sit him on his contract, hold his registration and end his career on the clubs terms. Even with the players who have a year to go, a year without football at all can be very costly and would mean some of those players could never reach the level they want to.
The club does have cards to play...but they'd need to think very carefully about whether it's sensible or not to go down that route.
The fact that Tony Fernandes and Harry Redknapp have been quite publicly critical now, means that they may have complications when it comes to sorting this out.
Some of the comments have devalued some of the players, some of them will have aggravated some of the players, so when you want an adult situation where all parties lose something and ultimately are happy to cut all ties, we may now get a stubbornness and lack of willingness to give and take. That's the real problem with trying to shift some of them, and they are well within their rights by the terms of their contract too. That's the clubs fault, not the players. |
One thing that in theory should work in our favour is the fact that we are entering into a World Cup year, which means players that want to go to Brazil next year might be willing to agree to a transfer for the sake of being in the shop window for their International Managers. In theory there are players that might tell their vile agents to get them a gig even if it is for less money because they quite fancy the big party next year.... |  | | |
| Julio Cesar on 12:29 - May 22 with 420 views | JonDoeman |
| Julio Cesar on 09:31 - May 22 by rbsranger |
One thing that in theory should work in our favour is the fact that we are entering into a World Cup year, which means players that want to go to Brazil next year might be willing to agree to a transfer for the sake of being in the shop window for their International Managers. In theory there are players that might tell their vile agents to get them a gig even if it is for less money because they quite fancy the big party next year.... |
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