| Julio Cesar 10:28 - May 21 with 5146 views | exiled_dictator |
Lucas Podolski, or possibly someone calling themselves Lucas Podolski, has tweeted that Julio Cesar will be joining Arsenal for next season and has already been to the training ground.
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| Julio Cesar on 12:09 - May 21 with 913 views | rsonist |
If we can shift everyone on free transfers we'll have gotten off lightly. |  | | |
| Julio Cesar on 12:21 - May 21 with 883 views | DANRANGER |
| Julio Cesar on 11:21 - May 21 by Northernr |
Like I say, we're a buyer's dream. If you were Arsenal what would you offer? You know we're desperate to sell, you know he's desperate to leave, you know we can't afford his wages - I can't see them just writing out that cheque for £5m can you?
We're going to end up this summer with players like Bosingwa going and playing for other clubs while we still pay a portion of his wages just so we can get rid of them. No club is ever going to be stupid enough to pay some of these wasters what we're paying them, so we're going to have make up the difference to get rid of them.
Apart from Remy and Samba if any club comes along and says "we'll take over 100% of his contract" I'd probably let most of our players go for very little by way of a transfer fee. If we were paying them a sensible wage then this wouldn't be necessary - but we're not so it probably is. |
agree with this. even the likes of Granero who will be wanted by many mid table Spanish clubs will be a hard sell unless he is willing to write off a lot of money to push the deal through. Maybe Swansea or Southampton would take him and pay a fee but again if he hasn't requested the move then we owe his wages.
If TF is willing to do what's necessary then it's more important they shift out those not part of Arry's plans than worrying about any kind of fee. which I'm sure there aware of.
someone mentioned waiting until deadline day but this is a dangerous game to play and we need to build a squad working for each other asap so just take the hit Tony and get rid.
Another interesting Summer of transfer speculation. Sky Sports news just love us! |  | | |
| Julio Cesar on 12:32 - May 21 with 872 views | RangersAreBack |
If Arsenal do want him then they must rate him, irrespective of what QPR fans think. He is under contract and he comes with pedigree so I expect a fee. |  | | |
| Julio Cesar on 12:36 - May 21 with 864 views | daveB |
We won't get big fees for any of our players even Remy if the whole rape charge goes away will not go for that much. The trick will be getting them out the door and not having to pay for them any more, we didn't pay a fee for cesar so if he goes on a free we've just lost a years wages which will be a bonus compared to us paying him for another year whilst he is on loan to someone |  | | |
| Julio Cesar on 13:43 - May 21 with 818 views | DieByYourSide |
He arrived for a nominal fee, if that, get him off the wage bill no need for a transfer fee. Next. |  |
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| Julio Cesar on 13:46 - May 21 with 805 views | gobbles |
He's be a good signing from Arsenal's point of view, big name, current international, sign of intent to fans. What's more the two games 90 per cent of Arsenal fans would have seen him play are the game at the Emirates and England v Brazil and you would be hard pressed to see two better performances by a goalkeeper. |  | | |
| Julio Cesar on 14:00 - May 21 with 791 views | DieByYourSide |
| Julio Cesar on 13:46 - May 21 by gobbles |
He's be a good signing from Arsenal's point of view, big name, current international, sign of intent to fans. What's more the two games 90 per cent of Arsenal fans would have seen him play are the game at the Emirates and England v Brazil and you would be hard pressed to see two better performances by a goalkeeper. |
Lets just be thankful they haven't been keeping too close an eye on him all season and are willing to take him at all! | |
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| Julio Cesar on 14:14 - May 21 with 771 views | Brightonhoop |
| Julio Cesar on 13:46 - May 21 by gobbles |
He's be a good signing from Arsenal's point of view, big name, current international, sign of intent to fans. What's more the two games 90 per cent of Arsenal fans would have seen him play are the game at the Emirates and England v Brazil and you would be hard pressed to see two better performances by a goalkeeper. |
Yeah but three or four games in they will be scratching their heads, 5-6 games in they will be bricking it.  Just get rid. |  | | |
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| Julio Cesar on 18:58 - May 21 with 691 views | LowerloftLad |
48 hours after the whistle blows and reports one bad apple is gone already great news if he in with the group of players who didn't care then that group just got smaller |  |
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| Julio Cesar on 23:04 - May 21 with 644 views | gobbles |
| Julio Cesar on 18:58 - May 21 by LowerloftLad |
48 hours after the whistle blows and reports one bad apple is gone already great news if he in with the group of players who didn't care then that group just got smaller |
If he is with that group. Of course people don't know, but he is foreign and well paid so two plus two and all that.
It always struck me with the factions in the camp that these seemed to be blamed on the players who came in this season, when there were big rumours about a split in the camp before Warnock left.
Perhaps there should have been more onus on the players already at the club to make new players feel welcome (isn't that normal at most workplaces) rather than just write all the new players off as overpaid wasters. | | | |
| Julio Cesar on 23:07 - May 21 with 641 views | qprmick |
Brazilian goalkeepers, doesn't really do it for me. Good in parts but overall, not very good. | |
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| Julio Cesar on 23:23 - May 21 with 619 views | MkPaul |
Reading this and other threads makes me quiet happy that the fans that want so much say in the running of our club actually have none.
Cesar should have some value and as a club we should hold out and ensure we get what we can as we will certainly lose on many of the other players in the squad | | | |
| Julio Cesar on 23:32 - May 21 with 606 views | Northernr |
| Julio Cesar on 23:23 - May 21 by MkPaul |
Reading this and other threads makes me quiet happy that the fans that want so much say in the running of our club actually have none.
Cesar should have some value and as a club we should hold out and ensure we get what we can as we will certainly lose on many of the other players in the squad |
And looking at our season ticket prices for next season makes me very grateful that fans who want a say in the running of our club actually have some. |  | | |
| Julio Cesar on 23:35 - May 21 with 599 views | MkPaul |
| Julio Cesar on 23:32 - May 21 by Northernr |
And looking at our season ticket prices for next season makes me very grateful that fans who want a say in the running of our club actually have some. |
Oh that was down to the fans that want a say?
Credit to them then, we can all go back to slating the board for everything that goes wrong whilst given credit to the fans for any good decisions made | | | |
| Julio Cesar on 23:36 - May 21 with 597 views | Northernr |
| Julio Cesar on 23:35 - May 21 by MkPaul |
Oh that was down to the fans that want a say?
Credit to them then, we can all go back to slating the board for everything that goes wrong whilst given credit to the fans for any good decisions made |
Without the supporter consultation the season ticket prices would have been very different. The reaction to the prices has hopefully shown the club the value of strong, constructive communication with supporters.
I don't see this slating of the board either? Tony Fernandes still gets his name sung at the games, and he's made loads of very basic mistakes.
And on Cesar - read Neil D's post higher up. If we end up keeping him for the duration of the ridiculous contract we gave him it will cost us £12m. Are we really going to stop him leaving because Arsenal won't pay £1m transfer fee? We're going to be paying players to play for other clubs next season, if we can shift somebody's wage we should do it. He's one of the possible sellable assets, but only if we can find more than one club that wants him. [Post edited 1 Jan 1970 1:00]
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| Julio Cesar on 23:44 - May 21 with 558 views | Neil_SI |
| Julio Cesar on 23:36 - May 21 by Northernr |
Without the supporter consultation the season ticket prices would have been very different. The reaction to the prices has hopefully shown the club the value of strong, constructive communication with supporters.
I don't see this slating of the board either? Tony Fernandes still gets his name sung at the games, and he's made loads of very basic mistakes.
And on Cesar - read Neil D's post higher up. If we end up keeping him for the duration of the ridiculous contract we gave him it will cost us £12m. Are we really going to stop him leaving because Arsenal won't pay £1m transfer fee? We're going to be paying players to play for other clubs next season, if we can shift somebody's wage we should do it. He's one of the possible sellable assets, but only if we can find more than one club that wants him. [Post edited 1 Jan 1970 1:00]
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Or you could read this...
http://www.qprtoday.net/2013/05/21/whats-the-contractual-value-of-our-players/ |  | | |
| Julio Cesar on 23:51 - May 21 with 546 views | MkPaul |
| Julio Cesar on 23:36 - May 21 by Northernr |
Without the supporter consultation the season ticket prices would have been very different. The reaction to the prices has hopefully shown the club the value of strong, constructive communication with supporters.
I don't see this slating of the board either? Tony Fernandes still gets his name sung at the games, and he's made loads of very basic mistakes.
And on Cesar - read Neil D's post higher up. If we end up keeping him for the duration of the ridiculous contract we gave him it will cost us £12m. Are we really going to stop him leaving because Arsenal won't pay £1m transfer fee? We're going to be paying players to play for other clubs next season, if we can shift somebody's wage we should do it. He's one of the possible sellable assets, but only if we can find more than one club that wants him. [Post edited 1 Jan 1970 1:00]
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So we take the first offer of nothing just in case no one else comes in for him? I would suggest putting him and Green up for sale (assuming we are planning to keep one of them) and taking the best offer we get for either of them. Alternatively we hold out for some money for him and then shift for free if none is forthcoming later in the window
In running a business also assuming we will be paying towards some of our players playing elsewhere next year then we also need to get what we can in the transfer market for the assets we have with some value to help support this I would assume | | | |
| Julio Cesar on 23:53 - May 21 with 543 views | MkPaul |
Thanks for that but I tend to switch off when I read the line this is guess work!
How could someone spend so long putting together so much based on guess work?
And then how can others suggest reading it as if it adds any weight to an argument? It's guess work [Post edited 1 Jan 1970 1:00]
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| Julio Cesar on 23:56 - May 21 with 534 views | Northernr |
| Julio Cesar on 23:51 - May 21 by MkPaul |
So we take the first offer of nothing just in case no one else comes in for him? I would suggest putting him and Green up for sale (assuming we are planning to keep one of them) and taking the best offer we get for either of them. Alternatively we hold out for some money for him and then shift for free if none is forthcoming later in the window
In running a business also assuming we will be paying towards some of our players playing elsewhere next year then we also need to get what we can in the transfer market for the assets we have with some value to help support this I would assume |
In many cases this summer if we get an offer at all we should snap their hands off.
Cesar is a borderline case, I'll give you that, we may be able to get a fee for him if we can find a couple of buyers. But remember, every buyer out there knows we're desperate to sell.
I don't see a club paying him what we're paying him. How did the Brazilian national goalkeeper end up at QPR in the first place? Because we're paying him more money than anybody else would.
None of it adds up to a strong bargaining position. The only one we were in a strong trading position with was Remy and now even that has gone west! | | | |
| Julio Cesar on 00:02 - May 22 with 527 views | MkPaul |
| Julio Cesar on 23:56 - May 21 by Northernr |
In many cases this summer if we get an offer at all we should snap their hands off.
Cesar is a borderline case, I'll give you that, we may be able to get a fee for him if we can find a couple of buyers. But remember, every buyer out there knows we're desperate to sell.
I don't see a club paying him what we're paying him. How did the Brazilian national goalkeeper end up at QPR in the first place? Because we're paying him more money than anybody else would.
None of it adds up to a strong bargaining position. The only one we were in a strong trading position with was Remy and now even that has gone west! |
Then surely we strengthen our position by saying he will be our number one next season, if he wants to go then he chooses to take a pay cut and we do not need to support his wages elsewhere.
This is why I like the noises TF is making that we do not need to sell anyone etc because although highly unlikely to be true, taking a stand with one or two at the start of the window may help us later on in the window.
I would suggest just biting off the hands of any offers early on will hurt us as we go through the window | | | |
| Julio Cesar on 00:03 - May 22 with 524 views | Northernr |
| Julio Cesar on 00:02 - May 22 by MkPaul |
Then surely we strengthen our position by saying he will be our number one next season, if he wants to go then he chooses to take a pay cut and we do not need to support his wages elsewhere.
This is why I like the noises TF is making that we do not need to sell anyone etc because although highly unlikely to be true, taking a stand with one or two at the start of the window may help us later on in the window.
I would suggest just biting off the hands of any offers early on will hurt us as we go through the window |
Well I guess we'll see - Fernandes must be hoping Redknapp shuts up in that case because he's not shy of saying we're basically desperate to be rid of everybody.
The other problem with waiting until later in the window is can we actually bring players in without getting some out first? We've got 42 professionals on our books. The longer we hold out surely the less time we have to bring people in? [Post edited 1 Jan 1970 1:00]
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| Julio Cesar on 00:06 - May 22 with 517 views | MkPaul |
| Julio Cesar on 00:03 - May 22 by Northernr |
Well I guess we'll see - Fernandes must be hoping Redknapp shuts up in that case because he's not shy of saying we're basically desperate to be rid of everybody.
The other problem with waiting until later in the window is can we actually bring players in without getting some out first? We've got 42 professionals on our books. The longer we hold out surely the less time we have to bring people in? [Post edited 1 Jan 1970 1:00]
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Well it's a balancing act on what they do, glad it's not my money on the line
But your right in so much as saying Harry is making some weird noises in my opinion he is bordering on becoming embarrassing [Post edited 1 Jan 1970 1:00]
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| Julio Cesar on 00:08 - May 22 with 513 views | Northernr |
| Julio Cesar on 00:06 - May 22 by MkPaul |
Well it's a balancing act on what they do, glad it's not my money on the line
But your right in so much as saying Harry is making some weird noises in my opinion he is bordering on becoming embarrassing [Post edited 1 Jan 1970 1:00]
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Indeed. I just hope, after Hughes/Joorabchian, that Tony has the right people spending it for him this time. I'm not that convinced I must say. | | | |
| Julio Cesar on 00:10 - May 22 with 510 views | Neil_SI |
| Julio Cesar on 23:51 - May 21 by MkPaul |
So we take the first offer of nothing just in case no one else comes in for him? I would suggest putting him and Green up for sale (assuming we are planning to keep one of them) and taking the best offer we get for either of them. Alternatively we hold out for some money for him and then shift for free if none is forthcoming later in the window
In running a business also assuming we will be paying towards some of our players playing elsewhere next year then we also need to get what we can in the transfer market for the assets we have with some value to help support this I would assume |
I think it's entirely possible the club will consider granting free transfers for players, and because of what they've done, that's actually sensible in some cases, rather than being lumbered with paying the remainder of their contracts.
If you look at someone like Cesar's case, we signed him on a free transfer, so it's hard to see a year later, another club paying for him when he's still owed £9.36m, which at his age, probably doesn't represent value for money if you then want another £5m on top of that. Do you think he's worth £14.36m?
The only time the club have really assessed the risk is in January. They decided to smash the transfer record twice, for Loïc Rémy and Christopher Samba, which cost them around £20m or so. In the great scheme of things to them, if we managed to survive, the riches from next season's television sponsorships would have effectively paid off that strategy. At the same time, they probably have felt that losing £20m was worth the punt as well, or just attempting to pay the salary of that person for the period between January and June this year.
In effect, if it's true that Rémy has a release clause that's the same for what we paid for him, all he needed to do is prove himself and put himself in the shop window, which he has. There will be a lot of eyes on him at that price (ignoring his recent off the field problems), which means we simply make back what we paid there, at the expense of paying him six months salary of £1.56m. When you look at it that way — the loss is small in comparison and the risk probably correct.
With Samba, it's a different ball game altogether. He cost £12.5m and he arrived unfit and is still unfit, and would cost us £25m overall if he stays and sees out his contract. It's hard to see anybody wanting to pay that over here for a 29 year old defender, or be lumbered with his salary. There's little value in the deal.
And you can say there's little value on offer for so many of our players, especially if they're not willing to take pay cuts or wave signing on fees, etc.
Obviously if the club can sell players at a cut price, then great, any money they receive by way of a transfer fee is a bonus. There are clubs out there in places like China and Qatar that we need to work on, but the players need to be willing as well and it's all about the money. If they're interested in their careers, they'll be a bit of give and take, and we'll soon find that out.
The shame for us, is the players who are reasonable value, are the ones we're likely to see sold but at a cut price. Adel Taarabt for example, would be a reasonable risk to take for some of those Premier League clubs if we are happy to sell at a reduced rate. There are one or two here that fit into, or are close to, other clubs salary structures — but they won't be so stupid as we were to break the bank or put their own salary caps and structures into jeopardy.
QPR can also subsidise as well obviously — if they are paying some part of a players salary - either through shipping them out on loan or just trying to get them off the books, then that's another way and the way that we all don't want to happen.
The interesting issue we have is there are actually a lot of players with just a year on their contract. How do you deal with those guys? Who is going to pay for them? Is it worth keeping them?
For example, Mbia has one year left on his deal. A perfect example of a terrible transfer in the first place considering we paid £5m for him. But he holds all the cards, or we do... we can keep him for a year, see if he can help us, and then watch him leave at the end. Or we can try and either sell him (definitely will be cut price as nobody would pay £5m based on his performances this season and with a year to go)...or we can offload him for free, which is effectively the same as loaning him out for a season and having someone cover his salary.
Whatever happens, it needs some sensible and good brains and minds at work to try and resolve all of the problems. Most importantly for Rangers, is the salary structure needs to be sorted out and that's difficult with the current scenario in front of us.
It needs to offer players much more equality. Sell and get rid of them all, however they can, is what I think they should do. | | | |
| Julio Cesar on 00:12 - May 22 with 505 views | GetMeRangers |
| Julio Cesar on 00:03 - May 22 by Northernr |
Well I guess we'll see - Fernandes must be hoping Redknapp shuts up in that case because he's not shy of saying we're basically desperate to be rid of everybody.
The other problem with waiting until later in the window is can we actually bring players in without getting some out first? We've got 42 professionals on our books. The longer we hold out surely the less time we have to bring people in? [Post edited 1 Jan 1970 1:00]
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Isnt everyone missing a point here... The low life that call themselves agents. Those that have a perceived value will have their agents touting them here, there and everywhere... with the sole aim of getting another slice of the football fans/sky money
There are obvious exceptions like Boswanka but would find it hard to believe that only one club would be interested in Caesar and then market forces come into play. Perhaps we will see TF showing some of his business acumen, even if he has had his had his trousers pulled down in the past. |  | | |
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