| Tarby for the striker role and drop Zamora 09:17 - Oct 8 with 5606 views | pomanjou |
The catch on the chest, swivel and scoring shot on Saturday was outstanding and unlikely to be replicated by Zamora in his lifetime. Why waste this talent? If Tarby can instil fear into the oppo outside the penalty area think what he can do if he's doing the striker role close to goal. Zamora is looking increasing heavy legged and unfit and needs the turning time of the Atlantic Conveyor. Time to be benched.
And whilst he's at it start with Hollett and Cisse and lets have a less timid approach to attacking and bench Park and Phillips.
And Hughes, just tell Fernando that Park is injured and has long term sore throat problems which prevent his taking part in any capacity including commercial. |  |
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| Tarby for the striker role and drop Zamora on 01:42 - Oct 9 with 1071 views | ozexile |
Whilst we have players playing at the back who have very little footballing ability Zamora will play week in and week out. He offers an out ball to the player with no composure or skill on the ball. Ned and hill look for him every time. Mainly because in the 5 secs it takes him to control it that is the only viable option. Other than put it out for a throw in which is also quite a popular option. |  | | |
| Tarby for the striker role and drop Zamora on 04:02 - Oct 9 with 1065 views | DylanP |
Stoopid stoopid stoopid stoopid!!! Seriously stoopid.
Zamora is our leading scorer. How does that constitute 'not playing well'?
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| Tarby for the striker role and drop Zamora on 08:53 - Oct 9 with 1048 views | pomanjou |
| Tarby for the striker role and drop Zamora on 00:46 - Oct 9 by hoopstar67 |
Ridiculous, i sometimes wonder about our fans. |
and so do I.
What is it, that is so ridiculous? Maybe you can tell me which of these sentences do you not agree with and why?
His effort at WBA would not be replicated by Zam in a million years.
He's a 'natural' with his feet even if his heading ability is almost none existent.
You could play him more or less anywhere except back four and he will excel.
Even if you think a goal every other game is pretty good if you can improve it by playing Tarby as a striker (last twogames, two goals) then we should.
It might help to ensure pumping does not happen and attacking on the ground football does.
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| Tarby for the striker role and drop Zamora on 10:36 - Oct 9 with 1032 views | westberksr |
| Tarby for the striker role and drop Zamora on 21:06 - Oct 8 by ajcoombes |
i think adel taarabt will work well just behind zamora because zamora can win the ball and hold it and taarabt will feed off that and when we runs at players he is world class |
this
and what Clive said
and what I said at the beginning
and....... even what Gazza aluded too as well
Adel has never, will never be a centre forward. BZ has been one of the few bright points for us so far in trying to lead the line, gets involved and scores goals for a team playing SWP & Park who have produced less than f'all to support him.
Adel or/and Junior playing wide/off BZ will work in a 451. BZ & Cisse in a 442 against teams that aren't going to batter us in midfield; when he learns to stay the fukk onside at least once in each half. |  | | |
| Tarby for the striker role and drop Zamora on 11:49 - Oct 9 with 1006 views | corse |
that is not a very good idea.
taarabt is defo best playing behind the one or two forwards. what ever formation mr hughes decides to play. be it 442 or 4231. probably 442 cause it seems the only formation he knows. the lack of crosses and getting three players into the box bollockin the defence is one thing we are missing and it will not change if we keep playing swp and park because they both are cxxp and totally useless if they somehow manage to squeeze themselves into the box. the shorter one dont have the slightest idea where the goal is and the taller one is just....waste of time, space and money.
so taarabt playing outside the box behind the forward/s is a the only thing we can do. add hoillet into that and we might have a change to score a few.
at the first place we did sign two ( johnson, zamora) injury prone, past their best before date forwards and mr hughes old pals when probably everyone was hoping for something else and we have to live it.
at this point cisse is pretty much just wasting time on the pitch if we keep playin park and swp on the wings.cisse needs to be served. johnson is already out for the rest of the season and zamora probably will score 6-10 the whole season if he stays fit and you can bet zamora will get injured at some point .
it would be madness to think about anything else but somehow mr hughes just dont get it.
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| Tarby for the striker role and drop Zamora on 11:53 - Oct 9 with 1003 views | TW_R |
| Tarby for the striker role and drop Zamora on 08:53 - Oct 9 by pomanjou |
and so do I.
What is it, that is so ridiculous? Maybe you can tell me which of these sentences do you not agree with and why?
His effort at WBA would not be replicated by Zam in a million years.
He's a 'natural' with his feet even if his heading ability is almost none existent.
You could play him more or less anywhere except back four and he will excel.
Even if you think a goal every other game is pretty good if you can improve it by playing Tarby as a striker (last twogames, two goals) then we should.
It might help to ensure pumping does not happen and attacking on the ground football does.
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"Even if you think a goal every other game is pretty good if you can improve it by playing Tarby as a striker (last twogames, two goals) then we should."
This one Pom. He wouldn't have scored either of those if he was the lone striker. Also he doesn't have the tenacity and ability of Zamora being able to hold the ball up while being challenged in the air or from behind by a big centre back. He would just end up throwing himself to the ground and having a strop.
Adel's abilities are suited to either making runs from deep, as he did against WBA or running at defenders, as he did against WH. With Granero's ability and eye for a pass I think we will see more of the two of them linking up like that. |  | | |
| Tarby for the striker role and drop Zamora on 12:19 - Oct 9 with 995 views | pomanjou |
| Tarby for the striker role and drop Zamora on 11:53 - Oct 9 by TW_R |
"Even if you think a goal every other game is pretty good if you can improve it by playing Tarby as a striker (last twogames, two goals) then we should."
This one Pom. He wouldn't have scored either of those if he was the lone striker. Also he doesn't have the tenacity and ability of Zamora being able to hold the ball up while being challenged in the air or from behind by a big centre back. He would just end up throwing himself to the ground and having a strop.
Adel's abilities are suited to either making runs from deep, as he did against WBA or running at defenders, as he did against WH. With Granero's ability and eye for a pass I think we will see more of the two of them linking up like that. |
I see where you are coming from TWR and agree he would not have the tenacity and hold up ability of Zam. But I'm looking for him to use the talent that he has in spades playing with Cisse beside him. I dont want balls being pumped up and bombed in (we dont have a Carroll or a Holt) but I do believe he would score goals, draw penalties from the oppo and keep at least two defenders fully occupied. I would concede him the odd strop! | |
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| Tarby for the striker role and drop Zamora on 13:06 - Oct 9 with 978 views | baz_qpr |
Adel from the left, Hoilett from the right, Granero in between them, Zamora ahead. Faurlin and Diakete behind.
Classic 4-2-3-1 with Faurlin as the deep lying playmaker, Diakete as the destroyer, Granero as the number 10. In fact Granero, Taarabt and Hoilett can interchange.
This is not rocket science we've played this way for a long time. |  | | |
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| Tarby for the striker role and drop Zamora on 13:17 - Oct 9 with 971 views | Jamie |
| Tarby for the striker role and drop Zamora on 13:06 - Oct 9 by baz_qpr |
Adel from the left, Hoilett from the right, Granero in between them, Zamora ahead. Faurlin and Diakete behind.
Classic 4-2-3-1 with Faurlin as the deep lying playmaker, Diakete as the destroyer, Granero as the number 10. In fact Granero, Taarabt and Hoilett can interchange.
This is not rocket science we've played this way for a long time. |
Been saying for a while I expected us to end up with:
----Faurlin--Diakite
Park--Granero--Hoilett
---------Cisse------
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| Tarby for the striker role and drop Zamora on 13:19 - Oct 9 with 968 views | pomanjou |
| Tarby for the striker role and drop Zamora on 13:17 - Oct 9 by Jamie |
Been saying for a while I expected us to end up with:
----Faurlin--Diakite
Park--Granero--Hoilett
---------Cisse------
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| Tarby for the striker role and drop Zamora on 13:30 - Oct 9 with 959 views | jamois |
| Tarby for the striker role and drop Zamora on 13:17 - Oct 9 by Jamie |
Been saying for a while I expected us to end up with:
----Faurlin--Diakite
Park--Granero--Hoilett
---------Cisse------
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Jamie surely you mean Adel instead of Park? Also, as much as I like him, am really not sure Cisse is cut out for that role. BZ is more suited despite his lack of mobility/dynamism/whatever you want to call it. I think we could be in the market for a new striker that fits this solo role better in front of the 3 in January. |  |
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| Tarby for the striker role and drop Zamora on 13:35 - Oct 9 with 955 views | TW_R |
| Tarby for the striker role and drop Zamora on 12:19 - Oct 9 by pomanjou |
I see where you are coming from TWR and agree he would not have the tenacity and hold up ability of Zam. But I'm looking for him to use the talent that he has in spades playing with Cisse beside him. I dont want balls being pumped up and bombed in (we dont have a Carroll or a Holt) but I do believe he would score goals, draw penalties from the oppo and keep at least two defenders fully occupied. I would concede him the odd strop! |
But he is scoring goals now. Why would you want to change that? | | | |
| Tarby for the striker role and drop Zamora on 13:44 - Oct 9 with 929 views | pomanjou |
| Tarby for the striker role and drop Zamora on 13:35 - Oct 9 by TW_R |
But he is scoring goals now. Why would you want to change that? |
The set-up looks stale and I want the most talented player eye balling the enemy headquarters (sorry, goal). I want to do it by stealth and slickness not aerial bombardment. We have creation in Granary and Faurlin. Drop Park and SWP and bring in Hollett and Cisse and with the return of Fabio and Traore we can have a far more attacking approach. | |
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| Tarby for the striker role and drop Zamora on 13:53 - Oct 9 with 926 views | QPunkR |
Gotta say this is a bloody ridiculous argument. Why is it still going on??? |  |
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| Tarby for the striker role and drop Zamora on 13:58 - Oct 9 with 924 views | TW_R |
| Tarby for the striker role and drop Zamora on 13:44 - Oct 9 by pomanjou |
The set-up looks stale and I want the most talented player eye balling the enemy headquarters (sorry, goal). I want to do it by stealth and slickness not aerial bombardment. We have creation in Granary and Faurlin. Drop Park and SWP and bring in Hollett and Cisse and with the return of Fabio and Traore we can have a far more attacking approach. |
If we drop Park and SWP I'd want to see Hoillet and one of Diakite/M'bia come in. We need someone who is going to get stuck in in midfield. | | | |
| Tarby for the striker role and drop Zamora on 14:31 - Oct 9 with 913 views | Jamie |
| Tarby for the striker role and drop Zamora on 13:30 - Oct 9 by jamois |
Jamie surely you mean Adel instead of Park? Also, as much as I like him, am really not sure Cisse is cut out for that role. BZ is more suited despite his lack of mobility/dynamism/whatever you want to call it. I think we could be in the market for a new striker that fits this solo role better in front of the 3 in January. |
I and I imagine plenty of others suspect Park plays when fit, regardless of form.
Swansea was an image of what Hughes had as his best team. Faurlin & Granero come in, Mackie and ultimately Taarabt fall out IMO.
Unless Taarabt is target man, running the channels, battling off 15 stone centre halves with all his upper body strength of course. [Post edited 1 Jan 1970 1:00]
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| Tarby for the striker role and drop Zamora on 17:55 - Oct 9 with 877 views | baz_qpr |
I've said it before and I'll say it again what Adel gives us in the wide left position is an out ball that is not banged straight down the middle and I think its Hoilett that will have to adapt to playing on the right rather than drop Adel
I really can't believe that uncle tony and hughes are going to risk premiership survival and hughes job on playing park regardless.
Cisse is only ever going to be an impact sub. The reason IMHO why he is much traveled and has often ended up on the wing is that like Michel Owen this type of Striker does not fit the modern systems and needs a very specific type of number 9 to play alongside him. | | | |
| Tarby for the striker role and drop Zamora on 21:24 - Oct 9 with 855 views | noauthority |
| Tarby for the striker role and drop Zamora on 17:55 - Oct 9 by baz_qpr |
I've said it before and I'll say it again what Adel gives us in the wide left position is an out ball that is not banged straight down the middle and I think its Hoilett that will have to adapt to playing on the right rather than drop Adel
I really can't believe that uncle tony and hughes are going to risk premiership survival and hughes job on playing park regardless.
Cisse is only ever going to be an impact sub. The reason IMHO why he is much traveled and has often ended up on the wing is that like Michel Owen this type of Striker does not fit the modern systems and needs a very specific type of number 9 to play alongside him. |
I think it's a good idea.
Zamora is our top scorer yet two of the goals have been tap ins (rebound of a penalty and saved shot from Johnson), the other was all about Faurlin's pass.
All credit to Zamora for being in the right place at the right time, however he is anything but a prolific goalscorer. Conceivable he'll only score another 5 even if he plays all season.
This holding the ball up argument is also questionable. I've watched every match bar Norwich and have to say have rarely seen Zamora actually succeed in holding the ball up. Certainly he makes 5 or 6 back to goal lay offs in a match, but anyone would in his position. More often than not he brings our momentum to a stand still, gets tackled or commits a foul.
Yes I know Zamora always "wants it...is up for it" etc. But that isn't enough.
The lone striker doesn't have to be a back to goal target man, far from it, if midfielder/s push up and/or wide players cut inside then Adel or Cisse would be just fine.
Personally I think a large part of the reason for our "creaky, arthritic" (thanks Kropotkin ;-)) play in the final third is down to Zamora's lack of forward/into space movement. He's far too static, slow and lacking in flair and creativity for anything but direct football.
For sure we'd miss Adel on the left if he played central, but if we fully utilise 2 of Granero, Faurlin and Park (yes I know he's been well off form playing wide so far) in central positions, there would be a perfect platform for a number 10 type in front of them.
The defence has been poor that's a given. At the same time even in the matches where the consensus has been we've played well the Rangers play in the final third has looked slow, devoid of ideas, purposeless and mundane. At City beyond the dead balls that Nelsen missed from and the goal aside - zilch. At Spurs beyond the goal itself very little. Chelsea at home being the exception - fair bit more in second half both before and after Cisse came on.
Might just be my footballing philosophy but I do think we ought to drop Zamora and either let Cisse forge a partnership with Adel (looks to be promising when they've been on pitch at same time) or even play Adel in a false nine/trequartista/number 10 role with lots of cutting in from the wide forwards etc.
Very unbritish approach so I doubt we'' see it :-(
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| Tarby for the striker role and drop Zamora on 00:58 - Oct 10 with 831 views | QPRJennyxxx |
pom has sadly just upstaged you in the ridiculously clueless stakes. congratulations. |  |
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| Tarby for the striker role and drop Zamora on 02:36 - Oct 10 with 824 views | noauthority |
Assume your being ironic there Clive...what I see in that video is Adel playing as a lone central striker scoring a cracking goal against a Premier league central defence. Kind of proves those who suggest he couldn't may know a lot less about football than they think they do or perhaps need to be a little more open minded?
Another point on Zam being our top scorer - he's had about ten times the amount of game time than our other striker (Cisse) and other goal scorer (Adel) so all else aside yes it'd be likely he was our top scorer. Absolute basic logic and no proof that he *must* stay in the team.
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| Tarby for the striker role and drop Zamora on 04:54 - Oct 10 with 807 views | qprmick |
| Tarby for the striker role and drop Zamora on 11:53 - Oct 9 by TW_R |
"Even if you think a goal every other game is pretty good if you can improve it by playing Tarby as a striker (last twogames, two goals) then we should."
This one Pom. He wouldn't have scored either of those if he was the lone striker. Also he doesn't have the tenacity and ability of Zamora being able to hold the ball up while being challenged in the air or from behind by a big centre back. He would just end up throwing himself to the ground and having a strop.
Adel's abilities are suited to either making runs from deep, as he did against WBA or running at defenders, as he did against WH. With Granero's ability and eye for a pass I think we will see more of the two of them linking up like that. |
2 games 2 goals,lovely. The 20 games before that, not many. Cisse is actually, our most prolific scorer, but now he seems to have done a "dave" on us. Taraabt is doing just nicely, he can't win games on his own, much as we like to think he can. Zamora had probably scored similar goals in the past, he uses a bit of guile. He is a natural striker. [Post edited 1 Jan 1970 1:00]
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| Tarby for the striker role and drop Zamora on 05:18 - Oct 10 with 732 views | QPR_10 |
| Tarby for the striker role and drop Zamora on 04:54 - Oct 10 by qprmick |
2 games 2 goals,lovely. The 20 games before that, not many. Cisse is actually, our most prolific scorer, but now he seems to have done a "dave" on us. Taraabt is doing just nicely, he can't win games on his own, much as we like to think he can. Zamora had probably scored similar goals in the past, he uses a bit of guile. He is a natural striker. [Post edited 1 Jan 1970 1:00]
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Bring back my Rodney to me |  |
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| Tarby for the striker role and drop Zamora on 12:54 - Oct 10 with 670 views | pomanjou |
| Tarby for the striker role and drop Zamora on 21:24 - Oct 9 by noauthority |
I think it's a good idea.
Zamora is our top scorer yet two of the goals have been tap ins (rebound of a penalty and saved shot from Johnson), the other was all about Faurlin's pass.
All credit to Zamora for being in the right place at the right time, however he is anything but a prolific goalscorer. Conceivable he'll only score another 5 even if he plays all season.
This holding the ball up argument is also questionable. I've watched every match bar Norwich and have to say have rarely seen Zamora actually succeed in holding the ball up. Certainly he makes 5 or 6 back to goal lay offs in a match, but anyone would in his position. More often than not he brings our momentum to a stand still, gets tackled or commits a foul.
Yes I know Zamora always "wants it...is up for it" etc. But that isn't enough.
The lone striker doesn't have to be a back to goal target man, far from it, if midfielder/s push up and/or wide players cut inside then Adel or Cisse would be just fine.
Personally I think a large part of the reason for our "creaky, arthritic" (thanks Kropotkin ;-)) play in the final third is down to Zamora's lack of forward/into space movement. He's far too static, slow and lacking in flair and creativity for anything but direct football.
For sure we'd miss Adel on the left if he played central, but if we fully utilise 2 of Granero, Faurlin and Park (yes I know he's been well off form playing wide so far) in central positions, there would be a perfect platform for a number 10 type in front of them.
The defence has been poor that's a given. At the same time even in the matches where the consensus has been we've played well the Rangers play in the final third has looked slow, devoid of ideas, purposeless and mundane. At City beyond the dead balls that Nelsen missed from and the goal aside - zilch. At Spurs beyond the goal itself very little. Chelsea at home being the exception - fair bit more in second half both before and after Cisse came on.
Might just be my footballing philosophy but I do think we ought to drop Zamora and either let Cisse forge a partnership with Adel (looks to be promising when they've been on pitch at same time) or even play Adel in a false nine/trequartista/number 10 role with lots of cutting in from the wide forwards etc.
Very unbritish approach so I doubt we'' see it :-(
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