| Norwich City v Swansea City : Mach day thread on 22:40 - Jan 25 with 1306 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Norwich City v Swansea City : Mach day thread on 22:22 - Jan 25 by majorraglan |
A few weeks ago several posters commented that the club could get pulled in to a relegation battle, to be honest I didn’t think that would be the case, but 1 win in 6 v Luton who are in the drop zone and 4 points from 18 and it’s now looking very uncomfortable. The Swans form is the third worst in the league and the next 2 games sees them playing inform teams. Not good. |
I said it could happen and I think it was Lifelong who disagreed with me the most. None of us want it to happen but anybody who thinks it isn't possible needs to wake up. The decline since we beat Luton has been sharp and rapid and it's not like we had a mmassive points cushion.
The collapse that we are witnessing, how does Williams turn it around when it seems none of the team want to play for him, specially after half time, does somebody put valium in their half time drinks? Something starnge happens, they've got all the resilience of a snowball in hell...on an unusually hot day, darn global warming eh. |  | |  |
| Norwich City v Swansea City : Mach day thread on 22:47 - Jan 25 with 1249 views | swan65split |
| Norwich City v Swansea City : Mach day thread on 20:28 - Jan 25 by lifelong |
Was it the first 10 games this season we only conceded 7 goals?
The last 6 games we have conceded 18 goals..it doesn’t make sense. |
I told a fe people a few weeks ago, under Monk we had a run of winning 1-0 etc and got to what 8th? i said at that point we would either start scoring , or cenceding .....the rest is history, and i said the same at the start of the season, and this old timer sees us in a mess, and THH I dont think its going to end well, i have same feeling now as I did in the 80s
i just hope Im wrong, its down to the top to stop dithering, and act. |  | | |
| Norwich City v Swansea City : Mach day thread on 22:47 - Jan 25 with 1245 views | Dr_Winston |
This squad should be nowhere near a relegation battle, no matter how much Williams apologists may think otherwise.
Get him gone ASAP. |  |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| Norwich City v Swansea City : Mach day thread on 22:50 - Jan 25 with 1235 views | majorraglan |
| Norwich City v Swansea City : Mach day thread on 22:40 - Jan 25 by SullutaCreturned |
I said it could happen and I think it was Lifelong who disagreed with me the most. None of us want it to happen but anybody who thinks it isn't possible needs to wake up. The decline since we beat Luton has been sharp and rapid and it's not like we had a mmassive points cushion.
The collapse that we are witnessing, how does Williams turn it around when it seems none of the team want to play for him, specially after half time, does somebody put valium in their half time drinks? Something starnge happens, they've got all the resilience of a snowball in hell...on an unusually hot day, darn global warming eh. |
Something doesn’t look right.
I feel for the fans who spent their hard earned travelling up to East Anglia, departed Swansea 4.30am, £53 for the supporters bus, £26 for the ticket, plus spends and a 5-1 spanking to cap it all. Not good. | | | |
| Norwich City v Swansea City : Mach day thread on 22:55 - Jan 25 with 1217 views | Dr_Winston |
| Norwich City v Swansea City : Mach day thread on 22:50 - Jan 25 by majorraglan |
Something doesn’t look right.
I feel for the fans who spent their hard earned travelling up to East Anglia, departed Swansea 4.30am, £53 for the supporters bus, £26 for the ticket, plus spends and a 5-1 spanking to cap it all. Not good. |
I've never understood this reverence for away supporters. They make their own choices. Nobody forces them to go.
Frankly I've got better things to do with my life than trudge to East Anglia on a Saturday afternoon. | |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| Norwich City v Swansea City : Mach day thread on 23:01 - Jan 25 with 1177 views | swan65split |
| Norwich City v Swansea City : Mach day thread on 22:55 - Jan 25 by Dr_Winston |
I've never understood this reverence for away supporters. They make their own choices. Nobody forces them to go.
Frankly I've got better things to do with my life than trudge to East Anglia on a Saturday afternoon. |
iys not only fans from here, i have a m8 who lives in Lincs , a 2 hr drive from Naaarwich, away games his real chance to see us.
i learnt a long time ago coming home from away games having been beat 4-0 wasnt the best way to enjoy a weekend. [Post edited 25 Jan 23:02]
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| Norwich City v Swansea City : Mach day thread on 23:03 - Jan 25 with 1167 views | builthjack |
| Norwich City v Swansea City : Mach day thread on 16:15 - Jan 25 by Treforys_Jack |
Wasn't Tymon our player of the year last season ? |
That just shows what a poor squad we had, and still have. |  |
| Swansea Indepenent Poster Of The Year 2021. Dr P / Mart66 / Roathie / Parlay / E20/ Duffle was 2nd, but he is deluded and thinks in his little twisted brain that he won. Poor sod. We let him win this year, as he has cried for a whole year. His 14 usernames, bless his cotton socks.
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| Norwich City v Swansea City : Mach day thread on 23:07 - Jan 25 with 1153 views | Dr_Winston |
| Norwich City v Swansea City : Mach day thread on 23:01 - Jan 25 by swan65split |
iys not only fans from here, i have a m8 who lives in Lincs , a 2 hr drive from Naaarwich, away games his real chance to see us.
i learnt a long time ago coming home from away games having been beat 4-0 wasnt the best way to enjoy a weekend. [Post edited 25 Jan 23:02]
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I've done away trips. I've seen us lose 3-0 in Newcastle, 2-0 at Kidderminster and 3-0 in Oxford. I wouldn't dream of bipping about it or demanding a refund because that's the choice you make. | |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| Norwich City v Swansea City : Mach day thread on 23:08 - Jan 25 with 1155 views | builthjack |
| Norwich City v Swansea City : Mach day thread on 18:53 - Jan 25 by EagleEye |
Coleman has everything to prove. He was much heralded for getting rid of Kaplan & Levein but has done nothing different to when they were in charge. His lack of knowledge & understanding of the game feels very much like it’s a case of the blind leading the blind. It’s time for leaders to show some leadership |
Perhaps Coleman is the problem | |
| Swansea Indepenent Poster Of The Year 2021. Dr P / Mart66 / Roathie / Parlay / E20/ Duffle was 2nd, but he is deluded and thinks in his little twisted brain that he won. Poor sod. We let him win this year, as he has cried for a whole year. His 14 usernames, bless his cotton socks.
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| Norwich City v Swansea City : Mach day thread on 23:13 - Jan 25 with 1126 views | swan65split |
| Norwich City v Swansea City : Mach day thread on 23:07 - Jan 25 by Dr_Winston |
I've done away trips. I've seen us lose 3-0 in Newcastle, 2-0 at Kidderminster and 3-0 in Oxford. I wouldn't dream of bipping about it or demanding a refund because that's the choice you make. |
yep i did the Newcasrle one , | | | |
| Norwich City v Swansea City : Mach day thread on 23:17 - Jan 25 with 1100 views | Dr_Winston |
| Norwich City v Swansea City : Mach day thread on 23:08 - Jan 25 by builthjack |
Perhaps Coleman is the problem |
He needs to do better.
I've never been one to jump on board with the hatred of our post Jenkins and Co ownership because there's never been any shortage of financial support. Wisdom has been in limited supply, but they've always put their money where their mouth is.
Coleman needs to understand what he doesn't know and step aside if needs be for a Birch type to run the club. | |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| Norwich City v Swansea City : Mach day thread on 23:38 - Jan 25 with 1059 views | HoneyBadger |
| Norwich City v Swansea City : Mach day thread on 22:47 - Jan 25 by Dr_Winston |
This squad should be nowhere near a relegation battle, no matter how much Williams apologists may think otherwise.
Get him gone ASAP. |
The apologists were telling us that LW was doing a great job only a few weeks ago.
Personally I had my reservations very early on. After a good few games I could still see no structure going forward. Attempts at pushing forward nearly always ended up in a back pass and hoof up from the keeper.
He pretty much immediately stopped playing Patino. I know some had reservations about Patino, but to me he had real class and the quality to score and produce goals. A good manager would have seen that and found a way to use the talent.
Ronald looked full of promise on arrival. Again, not used effectively and now struggling to make an impact.
Agreed, the squad is not the limiting factor these days. | | | |
| Norwich City v Swansea City : Mach day thread on 00:07 - Jan 26 with 975 views | dobjack2 |
| Norwich City v Swansea City : Mach day thread on 23:07 - Jan 25 by Dr_Winston |
I've done away trips. I've seen us lose 3-0 in Newcastle, 2-0 at Kidderminster and 3-0 in Oxford. I wouldn't dream of bipping about it or demanding a refund because that's the choice you make. |
6-0 at Darlington was not a bundle of laughs. Watched us lose at Newcastle, Sunderland, Middlesbrough, Carlisle, Leeds, Hull, Norwich, Plymouth, Brighton, Southampton and seen hammerings at both Sheffield clubs and Portsmouth. I saw us lose at a lot of other grounds as well.
On the plus side saw us win at Ipswich, Preston and Bournemouth and from memory drew at Hartlepool and Gillingham.
A lot of the time I'd go in hope rather than any expectation. Nobody forced me to go. | | | |
| Norwich City v Swansea City : Mach day thread on 02:20 - Jan 26 with 855 views | dobjack2 |
| Norwich City v Swansea City : Mach day thread on 23:38 - Jan 25 by HoneyBadger |
The apologists were telling us that LW was doing a great job only a few weeks ago.
Personally I had my reservations very early on. After a good few games I could still see no structure going forward. Attempts at pushing forward nearly always ended up in a back pass and hoof up from the keeper.
He pretty much immediately stopped playing Patino. I know some had reservations about Patino, but to me he had real class and the quality to score and produce goals. A good manager would have seen that and found a way to use the talent.
Ronald looked full of promise on arrival. Again, not used effectively and now struggling to make an impact.
Agreed, the squad is not the limiting factor these days. |
A good coach makes players better and creates a team that is better than just looking at the individual players.
A poor one does the opposite.
A practical coach may want to play a certain way but realises if he doesn't have the players to play that way he needs to play to the strengths of the players that he has, taking account the quality of the opposition he is playing against.
For example Martin had a squad of players at Southampton that were better than most opponents in the championship and his system got them promoted. Up a division and the players couldn't do it against better opposition. However Martin persisted with his system and the team was easy to play against and gave goals away. It is too late to turn that team around.
Williams tactics are being found out in the championship with our squad and, like Martin, he seems incapable of changing. The team lacks confidence is easy to play against and makes errors leading to goals. The squad needs strengthening but the tactics make us far worse than we should be.
We need to change the way we are playing, the players can't play it and I don't think that they believe in what Williams and his coaches want them to do. Williams won't change, he just blames the players, therefore he has to go before it is too late. | | | |
| Norwich City v Swansea City : Mach day thread on 05:10 - Jan 26 with 805 views | Treforys_Jack |
| Norwich City v Swansea City : Mach day thread on 02:20 - Jan 26 by dobjack2 |
A good coach makes players better and creates a team that is better than just looking at the individual players.
A poor one does the opposite.
A practical coach may want to play a certain way but realises if he doesn't have the players to play that way he needs to play to the strengths of the players that he has, taking account the quality of the opposition he is playing against.
For example Martin had a squad of players at Southampton that were better than most opponents in the championship and his system got them promoted. Up a division and the players couldn't do it against better opposition. However Martin persisted with his system and the team was easy to play against and gave goals away. It is too late to turn that team around.
Williams tactics are being found out in the championship with our squad and, like Martin, he seems incapable of changing. The team lacks confidence is easy to play against and makes errors leading to goals. The squad needs strengthening but the tactics make us far worse than we should be.
We need to change the way we are playing, the players can't play it and I don't think that they believe in what Williams and his coaches want them to do. Williams won't change, he just blames the players, therefore he has to go before it is too late. |
Very articulately put. Spot on |  | | |
| Norwich City v Swansea City : Mach day thread on 07:11 - Jan 26 with 735 views | Dr_Winston |
| Norwich City v Swansea City : Mach day thread on 02:20 - Jan 26 by dobjack2 |
A good coach makes players better and creates a team that is better than just looking at the individual players.
A poor one does the opposite.
A practical coach may want to play a certain way but realises if he doesn't have the players to play that way he needs to play to the strengths of the players that he has, taking account the quality of the opposition he is playing against.
For example Martin had a squad of players at Southampton that were better than most opponents in the championship and his system got them promoted. Up a division and the players couldn't do it against better opposition. However Martin persisted with his system and the team was easy to play against and gave goals away. It is too late to turn that team around.
Williams tactics are being found out in the championship with our squad and, like Martin, he seems incapable of changing. The team lacks confidence is easy to play against and makes errors leading to goals. The squad needs strengthening but the tactics make us far worse than we should be.
We need to change the way we are playing, the players can't play it and I don't think that they believe in what Williams and his coaches want them to do. Williams won't change, he just blames the players, therefore he has to go before it is too late. |
Precisely. Have an up arrow. | |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| Norwich City v Swansea City : Mach day thread on 07:55 - Jan 26 with 668 views | jack247 |
| Norwich City v Swansea City : Mach day thread on 02:20 - Jan 26 by dobjack2 |
A good coach makes players better and creates a team that is better than just looking at the individual players.
A poor one does the opposite.
A practical coach may want to play a certain way but realises if he doesn't have the players to play that way he needs to play to the strengths of the players that he has, taking account the quality of the opposition he is playing against.
For example Martin had a squad of players at Southampton that were better than most opponents in the championship and his system got them promoted. Up a division and the players couldn't do it against better opposition. However Martin persisted with his system and the team was easy to play against and gave goals away. It is too late to turn that team around.
Williams tactics are being found out in the championship with our squad and, like Martin, he seems incapable of changing. The team lacks confidence is easy to play against and makes errors leading to goals. The squad needs strengthening but the tactics make us far worse than we should be.
We need to change the way we are playing, the players can't play it and I don't think that they believe in what Williams and his coaches want them to do. Williams won't change, he just blames the players, therefore he has to go before it is too late. |
All of this is true. The most pertinent part is he’s lost the players and he has to go.
A lot of people seem to be struggling to understand that Williams doing a terrible job and us having an incredibly thin squad with no creativity and a very weak strike force can both be true.
It’s not a binary sport.
If he’d kept us where we were a month ago with the squad limitations, winning some, losing some, I’d have been very happy.
Reality is, he’s lost the squad, the players either don’t believe in him, his tactics or both and he shouldn’t last the rest of the day.
As weak as the squad is, absolutely agree a decent manager could get a lot more out of it than Williams is doing now and in my opinion, will continue to do as long as he’s here. | | | |
| Norwich City v Swansea City : Mach day thread on 08:33 - Jan 26 with 629 views | PawelAbbott |
Watching the "highlights" back again this morning.
Tymon should never wear the shirt again. There must be better left backs in local league football.
For the first goal he goes forward to close down a player outside their box. The ball is easily played around him.
Then he is in camera shot all the way to the goal. He is clearly just trotting. Barely above a walk.
The ball comes out to Sargent and he has all the time in the world to puck his spot.
Second goal, same story.
Third goal, Key loses it. Their player runs across Delcroix (I think) the other centre back tracks a runner. Where is Tymon to support the left side of the box? He is walking around the edge if the box disinterested.
Who thought he was worth 2 million?
We won't get £2 for him. | | | |
| Norwich City v Swansea City : Mach day thread on 08:42 - Jan 26 with 604 views | 3swan |
| Norwich City v Swansea City : Mach day thread on 08:33 - Jan 26 by PawelAbbott |
Watching the "highlights" back again this morning.
Tymon should never wear the shirt again. There must be better left backs in local league football.
For the first goal he goes forward to close down a player outside their box. The ball is easily played around him.
Then he is in camera shot all the way to the goal. He is clearly just trotting. Barely above a walk.
The ball comes out to Sargent and he has all the time in the world to puck his spot.
Second goal, same story.
Third goal, Key loses it. Their player runs across Delcroix (I think) the other centre back tracks a runner. Where is Tymon to support the left side of the box? He is walking around the edge if the box disinterested.
Who thought he was worth 2 million?
We won't get £2 for him. |
The same comment can be aimed at most of the players . There’s definitely an over to you attitude throughout the team. Movement is limited and lack of helping team members is glaring. | | | |
| Norwich City v Swansea City : Mach day thread on 08:47 - Jan 26 with 595 views | jack247 |
| Norwich City v Swansea City : Mach day thread on 08:42 - Jan 26 by 3swan |
The same comment can be aimed at most of the players . There’s definitely an over to you attitude throughout the team. Movement is limited and lack of helping team members is glaring. |
Thing is, when it’s one or two, you can drop them, call them out individually or whatever.
When it’s most of the team, there’s only one real option. Make it quick Coleman | | | |
| Norwich City v Swansea City : Mach day thread on 08:52 - Jan 26 with 590 views | PawelAbbott |
| Norwich City v Swansea City : Mach day thread on 08:42 - Jan 26 by 3swan |
The same comment can be aimed at most of the players . There’s definitely an over to you attitude throughout the team. Movement is limited and lack of helping team members is glaring. |
After the 3rd went in only Delcroix and Cabango were doing much of anything.
Williams talks of the players being tired but we lose 5-1, the defence was run ragged (apart from Tymon who barely got above a walk) and they all play 90 minutes.
Tjoe-a-on must be terrible to not even got off the bench in this team | | | |
| Norwich City v Swansea City : Mach day thread on 09:21 - Jan 26 with 542 views | Dr_Winston |
Josh Tymon won "Newcomer of the year" for the 23/24 season so clearly his ability is not the problem. Neither for my money is Key. Calling either of them parks players is just silly hyperbole.
The problem is the way that they're being asked to play leaves us wide open on the flanks time and time again. They're being set up to fail in precisely the same way that Russy used to with our defence. Put players under pressure with a crap system and mistakes become inevitable. | |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| Norwich City v Swansea City : Mach day thread on 09:34 - Jan 26 with 511 views | onehunglow |
| Norwich City v Swansea City : Mach day thread on 23:38 - Jan 25 by HoneyBadger |
The apologists were telling us that LW was doing a great job only a few weeks ago.
Personally I had my reservations very early on. After a good few games I could still see no structure going forward. Attempts at pushing forward nearly always ended up in a back pass and hoof up from the keeper.
He pretty much immediately stopped playing Patino. I know some had reservations about Patino, but to me he had real class and the quality to score and produce goals. A good manager would have seen that and found a way to use the talent.
Ronald looked full of promise on arrival. Again, not used effectively and now struggling to make an impact.
Agreed, the squad is not the limiting factor these days. |
Key intially looked good
He’s been wrecked | |
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| Norwich City v Swansea City : Mach day thread on 09:47 - Jan 26 with 485 views | wwcigne |
I think there’s a bit more to it than that,both Tymon and Key are far too light in the tackle and get out muscled too easily even by small players and give the ball away time and again , their positioning and reading of the situation is awful they , get on the wrong side of opponents when defending and are by-passed with ease ,almost every game .when they get forward they can put dangerous crosses in to be fair but if the ball is lost they don’t bust a gut to sprint back into defence
How many goals do we concede when balls are dropped into the gaps left by them being caught up the field and crossed into advancing players
Key would be probably be better as a winger ,Tymon has regressed so much it’s incredible , both seem to lack basic fullback defending skills ,,,,,or is it Williams doing , coaching it out of them ??
Maybe a different manager/coach could improve them maybe time will tell
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| Norwich City v Swansea City : Mach day thread on 09:53 - Jan 26 with 470 views | onehunglow |
| Norwich City v Swansea City : Mach day thread on 08:33 - Jan 26 by PawelAbbott |
Watching the "highlights" back again this morning.
Tymon should never wear the shirt again. There must be better left backs in local league football.
For the first goal he goes forward to close down a player outside their box. The ball is easily played around him.
Then he is in camera shot all the way to the goal. He is clearly just trotting. Barely above a walk.
The ball comes out to Sargent and he has all the time in the world to puck his spot.
Second goal, same story.
Third goal, Key loses it. Their player runs across Delcroix (I think) the other centre back tracks a runner. Where is Tymon to support the left side of the box? He is walking around the edge if the box disinterested.
Who thought he was worth 2 million?
We won't get £2 for him. |
Worse full backs in the league at the moment
They weren’t when they came here
It’s what has happened to them sees them broken as they are . [Post edited 26 Jan 9:55]
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