| Ronald ? Is it all his fault ? 16:54 - Jan 18 with 2481 views | KeithHaynes |
I’ve never seen a player go from the heights he was at last season to where he is now after a year of Williams coaching. A shocking decline in standards. |  |
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| Ronald ? Is it all his fault ? on 21:59 - Jan 18 with 579 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| Ronald ? Is it all his fault ? on 21:00 - Jan 18 by RichardO |
Don't think Naughton of 12 months ago would be perfect in a back three even his experience would not have made up for his lack of pace he as been targeted as far back and was protected in Cooper's reign by Connor Roberts and he hasn't got any quicker.
We were playing a back four but Grimes ended up permanently between the centre halves and left players unmarked in the midfield and left our wingers with no-one to play balls to in the middle of the park. |
This group of players have consistently failed when playing a back three/five. Both Martin and Williams keep reverting to the formation and we inevitably lose when we do and we win more when we go 433/451.
We surrender territory and then leave spaces out wide when we lose possession it's like Groundhog Day watching us play. |  |
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| Ronald ? Is it all his fault ? on 22:01 - Jan 18 with 563 views | RichardO |
| Ronald ? Is it all his fault ? on 21:02 - Jan 18 by Dr_Winston |
Even in his 20's Naughton was never the fastest. The first five yards of his game were always in his head. |
Yes I agree but Naughton wasn't the problem today. |  | | |
| Ronald ? Is it all his fault ? on 22:03 - Jan 18 with 546 views | Dr_Winston |
| Ronald ? Is it all his fault ? on 21:59 - Jan 18 by JACKMANANDBOY |
This group of players have consistently failed when playing a back three/five. Both Martin and Williams keep reverting to the formation and we inevitably lose when we do and we win more when we go 433/451.
We surrender territory and then leave spaces out wide when we lose possession it's like Groundhog Day watching us play. |
Martin and Williams are both terrible managers though. I don't think we should be automatically dismissing the concept of three at the back based on how those two idiots implemented it.
In general terms I do prefer a four, but let's not rule anything out. |  |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| Ronald ? Is it all his fault ? on 22:03 - Jan 18 with 546 views | Whiterockin |
| Ronald ? Is it all his fault ? on 22:01 - Jan 18 by RichardO |
Yes I agree but Naughton wasn't the problem today. |
Agree, the goals were scored before he came on. |  | | |
| Ronald ? Is it all his fault ? on 22:32 - Jan 18 with 495 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| Ronald ? Is it all his fault ? on 22:03 - Jan 18 by Dr_Winston |
Martin and Williams are both terrible managers though. I don't think we should be automatically dismissing the concept of three at the back based on how those two idiots implemented it.
In general terms I do prefer a four, but let's not rule anything out. |
The full backs are not up to 531/351; Key does not have the composure/ understanding and loses possession often, Tymon is exclusively left footed and does not have enough pace to track back. Cabango and Darling are better suited to 'traditional' centre half roles. Cabango is a good defender but not suited to covering the full back position because of his pace, Darling again is not at his best having to hold off mobile attackers when there is plenty of space. [Post edited 18 Jan 22:33]
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| Ronald ? Is it all his fault ? on 22:40 - Jan 18 with 480 views | Dr_Winston |
| Ronald ? Is it all his fault ? on 22:32 - Jan 18 by JACKMANANDBOY |
The full backs are not up to 531/351; Key does not have the composure/ understanding and loses possession often, Tymon is exclusively left footed and does not have enough pace to track back. Cabango and Darling are better suited to 'traditional' centre half roles. Cabango is a good defender but not suited to covering the full back position because of his pace, Darling again is not at his best having to hold off mobile attackers when there is plenty of space. [Post edited 18 Jan 22:33]
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Again, quality of coaching matters.
People were desperate to write both Cabango and Darling off as rubbish based on their performance when Martin was in charge of our back line. | |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| Ronald ? Is it all his fault ? on 23:15 - Jan 18 with 430 views | onehunglow |
| Ronald ? Is it all his fault ? on 22:32 - Jan 18 by JACKMANANDBOY |
The full backs are not up to 531/351; Key does not have the composure/ understanding and loses possession often, Tymon is exclusively left footed and does not have enough pace to track back. Cabango and Darling are better suited to 'traditional' centre half roles. Cabango is a good defender but not suited to covering the full back position because of his pace, Darling again is not at his best having to hold off mobile attackers when there is plenty of space. [Post edited 18 Jan 22:33]
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Darling and Banjo are decent average stoppers to have them play as they do is madness
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| Ronald ? Is it all his fault ? on 01:49 - Jan 19 with 355 views | dobjack2 |
| Ronald ? Is it all his fault ? on 22:40 - Jan 18 by Dr_Winston |
Again, quality of coaching matters.
People were desperate to write both Cabango and Darling off as rubbish based on their performance when Martin was in charge of our back line. |
Surely a manager should set up a team up to play to the squads strengths not their weaknesses?
This is real life not fantasy football.
Martin was found out at a higher level with kamikaze playing out from the back where the opposition had better quality to punish errors when doing so.
Any system has its weakness as well as strengths and managers know how a mid block and quick counter attack can cause mayhem with our ever so slow attempts to switch the point of attack. When the block is poor and we play through it we look great. Other times we are so easy to play against that teams that are no great shakes can do it with ease.
In my view it isn't Ronald's fault that he has gone backwards. It is down to the coaching. Eom gets similar grief but I don't think he has adapted to the physical side of the championship and needs help from the coaching staff and other areas. | | | |
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| Ronald ? Is it all his fault ? on 08:59 - Jan 19 with 281 views | RichardO |
Key and Tymon have their limitations as fullbacks but we have seen early in the game that the defence was relatively solid given the fact that Cardiff were the home team and pushed up on us but we held our own but as we have seen as soon as we start dropping our work rate in the middle of the park we get pushed back deeper instead of holding the midfield higher up the park.
Did Joe Allen start tiring or did Grimes just drop back to protect the back two who up until the 30 minute mark didn't need protecting so why drop deep.
Both Cabango and Darling have shown they can defend and play out from the back but how many times under Cooper, Martin, Williams and even Duff when he changed styles, have we seen us give the ball away the ball when playing out from the backs, defenders out wide playing dangerous balls across our back line or into crowded areas in the middle of the park either way being intercepted or picked off because of good marking on players who have very little options and get caught on the ball.
I really don't understand why Tymon and Key insist on not playing the ball down the line with their first touch letting the ball come across them which enables to make the best decision which ball would be the best, to the wingers feet, over the top for runners be it the winger, forward or midfielders or into the middle to players, either to players dropping back who can play one touch to the onlcoming midfielder or straight in front of the oncoming midfielder ( although once Grimes drops deep he is seldom seen moving out of the back line ) but both Key and Tymon do not use that option enough stifling Eom and Ronald with the slow ball and lack of support in the midfield.
Once we get pushed back we end up having to make decisions about how we defend in the box did Darling get tight enough to his player, if he got tighter would he risk giving away a penalty caught in two minds by the pressure which eventually told, just as Tymon's poor ball was he think playing the ball to Darling's stronger foot but Darling was trying to drop deeper to his left to give himself more space ended up wring footed, if Tymon let's the ball go past him with a player challenging him be played quickly even if closed down while playing down the line is the ball bouncing off the attacking player resulting in our throw rather than giving a goal scoring opportunity away.
Fullbacks asked to play in a dangerous manner and Grimes being asked to come too deep inviting pressure , wingers asked to stay on the wings with nowhere to go and the only support is from the full backs leading to high crosses into the box to Cullen, not enough support from the midfield as it is eventually stretched Grimes between the centre backs, Allen trying to help the closing down of the opposition goalie leaving Franco isolated.
I finished with the word isolated because that is how our players ended up at the start of that second half.
Ray of light at the end of the tunnel Bianchini looked lively as did Parker, we have seen Ginnelly last weekend these players look as if given support and early ball they can play quick football but until we make the right choices to build pressure on teams while not leaving ourselves exposed we will struggle and by building up pressure I mean once having possession and getting the ball quickly and effectively forward not leaving players with no choices available while they are on the ball with support. | | | |
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