| Russell Martin on 15:52 - Dec 12 with 4319 views | GaryHaddock |
Maybe it was here, maybe it was a podcast I drunkenly listened to recently, but isn’t the prevailing opinion that he is just showcasing his style of play at the expense of results to make himself more attractive to bigger clubs who put style of play over everything? [Post edited 12 Dec 15:58]
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| Russell Martin on 16:32 - Dec 12 with 4063 views | NW5Hoop |
| Russell Martin on 15:52 - Dec 12 by GaryHaddock |
Maybe it was here, maybe it was a podcast I drunkenly listened to recently, but isn’t the prevailing opinion that he is just showcasing his style of play at the expense of results to make himself more attractive to bigger clubs who put style of play over everything? [Post edited 12 Dec 15:58]
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It was Clive's theory about Kompany at Burnley, which I think holds water there, given he was never going to stay long. He just wanted a stepping stone. I don't think it's necessarily the case with everyone, though. I think it's more that we've entered an age of managers as coaching brands, instead of personality brands – now they're selling their theories rather than their charisma. Lots and lots of them are all about "never sacrificing our principles" now, so they kind of have to stick by them or accept you're another hack manager who'll do anything to scrape mid-table. (Even Ainsworth was a brand in his own way. He certainly didn't have a Plan B.)
And it's not as though Russell Martin is in with the slightest shot at Liverpool/Arsenal/City/Chelsea/United or even Spurs/Villa/Newcastle. And certainly the managers taking the same line lower down the leagues aren't in any danger of attracting attention from further up unless they're actually winning games, as well as encouraging a 38-pass move between the goalie and two central defenders within their own box from every goal kick. [Post edited 12 Dec 16:33]
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| Russell Martin on 16:32 - Dec 12 with 4062 views | fraserc |
'"if you believe in something and it's taken you a certain way in life then to deviate too far from that is crazy," said Martin.'
I can see where he is coming from, but I also go with the adage that "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results". | | | |
| Russell Martin on 16:41 - Dec 12 with 3951 views | Wegerles_Stairs |
Let's face it, he's pulled Lucy Pinder so fair play to him believing in following your crazy dreams. | | | |
| Russell Martin on 16:53 - Dec 12 with 3897 views | Harbour |
He does not have the players capable of playing his style of football. Seems to have his head in the sand and surprised he is still the manager. But he is right he and the team are embarrassing. | | | |
| Russell Martin on 17:05 - Dec 12 with 3806 views | aston_hoop |
The thing is, Martin hasn't really had to rely on success to climb up to being a Premier League manager. Its been all about his style. Managed MK Dons with a big budget, had them playing possession football without winning anything. Turned mid-table Swansea into mid-table Swansea but played possession football. Took arguably the leagues strongest side up via the playoffs last season. But plays possession football. Who's to say another set of owners won't fall for appointing him on that basis even higher up? Just because they want the style, they believe its the right way to play. |  |
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| Russell Martin on 18:01 - Dec 12 with 3639 views | strikerace |
Funny, I always thought the job of a Manager was to figure out a way to win. This means coming up with the best way to play based on your players, not just doing the same thing you did previous places. | | | |
| Russell Martin on 18:42 - Dec 12 with 3475 views | Benny_the_Ball |
Russell should read Clive's Oxford United preview - Pragmatism v idealism. |  | | |
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| Russell Martin on 00:48 - Dec 13 with 3079 views | saxbend |
Let him try it at Millwall. |  | | |
| Russell Martin on 01:37 - Dec 13 with 3008 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| Russell Martin on 00:48 - Dec 13 by saxbend |
Let him try it at Millwall. |
With Mick Boil as his number 2. | | | |
| Russell Martin on 09:18 - Dec 13 with 2666 views | TheChef |
If that's what he wants to do, then let him.
Have to say I feel that Bazball is a similar philosophy - "we're going to play this way, not deviate from it, and hopefully win more than we lose".
Kind of admirable, but also stupid should you need to adapt in certain match situations if you actually want to win a game! |  |
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| Russell Martin on 19:45 - Dec 15 with 1832 views | loftboy |
Can I laugh? |  |
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| Russell Martin on 19:52 - Dec 15 with 1775 views | Wegerles_Stairs |
How did this lot go up? They're atrocious. | | | |
| Russell Martin on 19:57 - Dec 15 with 1719 views | SK_hoops |
This could be the first ever Premier league game to get into double figures. | | | |
| Russell Martin on 19:57 - Dec 15 with 1719 views | dm97 |
Taking your club down in thrall to a style that is boring, ineffective, and arrogant - “progressive”
Adapting to a more direct style to suit the players and context of the situation you’re in - “dinosaur”
Very grateful our Marti doesn’t view the game like him. |  | | |
| Russell Martin on 20:01 - Dec 15 with 1677 views | Lanhoop |
| Russell Martin on 19:45 - Dec 15 by loftboy |
Can I laugh? |
Why not. I am. | | | |
| Russell Martin on 20:04 - Dec 15 with 1650 views | mart_Goblin |
| Russell Martin on 17:05 - Dec 12 by aston_hoop |
The thing is, Martin hasn't really had to rely on success to climb up to being a Premier League manager. Its been all about his style. Managed MK Dons with a big budget, had them playing possession football without winning anything. Turned mid-table Swansea into mid-table Swansea but played possession football. Took arguably the leagues strongest side up via the playoffs last season. But plays possession football. Who's to say another set of owners won't fall for appointing him on that basis even higher up? Just because they want the style, they believe its the right way to play. |
This ‘style’ has run its course as far as I can see . It’s actually making English football boring .
City for example , got what they deserved this afternoon . They were so poor and almost refused to play forward . Teams like Southampton, and nearly every football team in Britain , including us , want to play five a side keep ball and just won’t play forward quickly. Like it’s better to keep the ball in our own half rather than go direct .
When we looked ok earlier in the season was when we went direct to Frey.
Maybe dare I say it but when Pep quits, hopefully teams will stop trying to copy this nonsense and start playing more direct .Pep had huge success and did so much for the game but the need for lemons like Russell Martin have grown obsessed with possession almost more than goals. City are proving that teams have the answer to this style of play now .
I realise this is a bit of a sweeping statement but hopefully this possession for possessions sake will die out a little and the excitement will return to English football as at the moment it’s pretty bloody dull. |  | | |
| Russell Martin on 20:31 - Dec 15 with 1497 views | ozexile |
| Russell Martin on 20:04 - Dec 15 by mart_Goblin |
This ‘style’ has run its course as far as I can see . It’s actually making English football boring .
City for example , got what they deserved this afternoon . They were so poor and almost refused to play forward . Teams like Southampton, and nearly every football team in Britain , including us , want to play five a side keep ball and just won’t play forward quickly. Like it’s better to keep the ball in our own half rather than go direct .
When we looked ok earlier in the season was when we went direct to Frey.
Maybe dare I say it but when Pep quits, hopefully teams will stop trying to copy this nonsense and start playing more direct .Pep had huge success and did so much for the game but the need for lemons like Russell Martin have grown obsessed with possession almost more than goals. City are proving that teams have the answer to this style of play now .
I realise this is a bit of a sweeping statement but hopefully this possession for possessions sake will die out a little and the excitement will return to English football as at the moment it’s pretty bloody dull. |
Totally agree. I've seen teams in a fantastic position to counter attack and go backwards. Or perfect opportunity to cross the ball and try to rework it. Bin it. | | | |
| Russell Martin on 20:58 - Dec 15 with 1304 views | paulparker |
| Russell Martin on 20:04 - Dec 15 by mart_Goblin |
This ‘style’ has run its course as far as I can see . It’s actually making English football boring .
City for example , got what they deserved this afternoon . They were so poor and almost refused to play forward . Teams like Southampton, and nearly every football team in Britain , including us , want to play five a side keep ball and just won’t play forward quickly. Like it’s better to keep the ball in our own half rather than go direct .
When we looked ok earlier in the season was when we went direct to Frey.
Maybe dare I say it but when Pep quits, hopefully teams will stop trying to copy this nonsense and start playing more direct .Pep had huge success and did so much for the game but the need for lemons like Russell Martin have grown obsessed with possession almost more than goals. City are proving that teams have the answer to this style of play now .
I realise this is a bit of a sweeping statement but hopefully this possession for possessions sake will die out a little and the excitement will return to English football as at the moment it’s pretty bloody dull. |
I like Pep but he has fcuked our football up with all this playing out from the back nonsense
There’s probably about 2 teams who can do this in Britain, city & Liverpool
Everyone else’s does it and they shouldn’t as they must concede about 20 goals a season trying to do back heels and blind passes in their 18 yard box |  |
| And Bowles is onside, Swinburne has come rushing out of his goal , what can Bowles do here , onto the left foot no, on to the right foot
That’s there that’s two, and that’s Bowles
Brian Moore
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| Russell Martin on 21:12 - Dec 15 with 1182 views | Logman |
| Russell Martin on 20:58 - Dec 15 by paulparker |
I like Pep but he has fcuked our football up with all this playing out from the back nonsense
There’s probably about 2 teams who can do this in Britain, city & Liverpool
Everyone else’s does it and they shouldn’t as they must concede about 20 goals a season trying to do back heels and blind passes in their 18 yard box |
Can't agree. I thought, when we started playing it out from the back at every opportunity in July/August, that we were going to be conceding goals week in week out from playing it out from the back. Hasn't happened on one occasion and on occasions sees us pulling teams open in the middle of the park and enabling attacks, | | | |
| Russell Martin on 22:16 - Dec 15 with 892 views | aston_hoop |
He's been sacked. Inevitable. Watch him get an even better job now. A deluxe Mick Beale | |
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| Russell Martin on 22:27 - Dec 15 with 789 views | Burnleyhoop |
| Russell Martin on 20:04 - Dec 15 by mart_Goblin |
This ‘style’ has run its course as far as I can see . It’s actually making English football boring .
City for example , got what they deserved this afternoon . They were so poor and almost refused to play forward . Teams like Southampton, and nearly every football team in Britain , including us , want to play five a side keep ball and just won’t play forward quickly. Like it’s better to keep the ball in our own half rather than go direct .
When we looked ok earlier in the season was when we went direct to Frey.
Maybe dare I say it but when Pep quits, hopefully teams will stop trying to copy this nonsense and start playing more direct .Pep had huge success and did so much for the game but the need for lemons like Russell Martin have grown obsessed with possession almost more than goals. City are proving that teams have the answer to this style of play now .
I realise this is a bit of a sweeping statement but hopefully this possession for possessions sake will die out a little and the excitement will return to English football as at the moment it’s pretty bloody dull. |
Apparently defenders now have far more touches of the ball than players in any other position.
Certainly true of our lot and is prevalent throughout the top two leagues in particular. Football is becoming tedious and the lack of quality is astonishing. Throw in var and the game has gone the way of the country. Downhill with no brakes attached. | | | |
| Russell Martin on 23:13 - Dec 15 with 507 views | Logman |
| Russell Martin on 22:27 - Dec 15 by Burnleyhoop |
Apparently defenders now have far more touches of the ball than players in any other position.
Certainly true of our lot and is prevalent throughout the top two leagues in particular. Football is becoming tedious and the lack of quality is astonishing. Throw in var and the game has gone the way of the country. Downhill with no brakes attached. |
Possibly, but what is the alternative ? Long balls forward down the throats of defenders or onto the heads of strikers who can't get anyone in behind because of the off-side rule.
I don't think playing it out from the back is boring, per se. In fact, it has me on the edge of my seat when we do it. Playing it across the back yes, but out from the back, no. In my opinion. | | | |
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