| Tory leadership 09:49 - Sep 29 with 3551 views | onehunglow |
Ok,so who impresses more
Badenoch just been on and impressed me ,anyway
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| Tory leadership on 21:20 - Oct 9 with 989 views | Gwyn737 |
| Tory leadership on 21:15 - Oct 9 by Dr_Winston |
Reform will do themselves in. There will be one too many racist outbursts, a few scandals, and they'll die away like the BNP did after they had a brief moment of electoral success in the early 00's. |
Maybe, but I wouldn’t have thought so in the next cycle.
The current MPs have a knack of staying just on the safe side of the line. | | | |
| Tory leadership on 21:26 - Oct 9 with 988 views | Flashberryjack |
| Tory leadership on 21:12 - Oct 9 by Gwyn737 |
Jenrick is the former housing minister who overrode local planning laws to green light a Tory donor £1,000.0000.000 housing scheme, saving an additional £50,000,000 a couple of days before a community levy was introduced.
Mind you, someone gave Starmer glasses so they’re all the same apparently 😉 [Post edited 9 Oct 21:12]
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Starmer had more than glasses. a lot more.
A person thieving a purse with £20 in it and a person thieving a wallet with £1000 in it, makes them both thieves IMO. |  |
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| Tory leadership on 21:37 - Oct 9 with 977 views | waynekerr55 |
Kemi no gaffes Badenoch or Robert Honest Bob Jenrick. What a time to be alive. Good government requires strong opposition so this isn't good. |  |
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| Tory leadership on 21:39 - Oct 9 with 968 views | Gwyn737 |
| Tory leadership on 21:26 - Oct 9 by Flashberryjack |
Starmer had more than glasses. a lot more.
A person thieving a purse with £20 in it and a person thieving a wallet with £1000 in it, makes them both thieves IMO. |
How far can you push that, though?
I’ve had a speeding ticket, Harold Shipman killed 284 people.
We’re both by definition lawbreakers.
I’d argue it’s not the same though.
Stealing a penny sweet and robbing a bank are both illegal. Not comparable IMO.
What has Starmer done that’s comparable to the Jenrick episode above? | | | |
| Tory leadership on 21:45 - Oct 9 with 949 views | Flashberryjack |
| Tory leadership on 21:39 - Oct 9 by Gwyn737 |
How far can you push that, though?
I’ve had a speeding ticket, Harold Shipman killed 284 people.
We’re both by definition lawbreakers.
I’d argue it’s not the same though.
Stealing a penny sweet and robbing a bank are both illegal. Not comparable IMO.
What has Starmer done that’s comparable to the Jenrick episode above? |
A thief and a murderer are two different crimes, ones a thief and one is obviously a murderer, and to compare them is a pretty ludicrous way to try and win a debate. | |
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| Tory leadership on 21:56 - Oct 9 with 920 views | Gwyn737 |
| Tory leadership on 21:45 - Oct 9 by Flashberryjack |
A thief and a murderer are two different crimes, ones a thief and one is obviously a murderer, and to compare them is a pretty ludicrous way to try and win a debate. |
Both crimes, though.
In the same way comparing freebies to doing favours for doners that eventually have to be reversed by the high court is ludicrous.
I don’t approve of many of the freebies at all and I’m pretty disappointed Labour have made a hash of their first hundred days, but to suggest the level of dodgy news are the same isn’t right. [Post edited 9 Oct 22:02]
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| Tory leadership on 22:09 - Oct 9 with 882 views | Flashberryjack |
| Tory leadership on 21:56 - Oct 9 by Gwyn737 |
Both crimes, though.
In the same way comparing freebies to doing favours for doners that eventually have to be reversed by the high court is ludicrous.
I don’t approve of many of the freebies at all and I’m pretty disappointed Labour have made a hash of their first hundred days, but to suggest the level of dodgy news are the same isn’t right. [Post edited 9 Oct 22:02]
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When he was running for election, Starmer called out sleaze and gifts for favours in the ranks of the conservative politicians, then as soon as he gets elected, he does exactly the same, albeit on a smaller scale, but, if he hadn't been found out early in his term of office, who knows how much and how deep the corruption would have gone, the conservatives had 14 years to fill their boots.
Starmer is a thief and complete and utter hypocrite. | |
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| Tory leadership on 22:28 - Oct 9 with 864 views | Gwyn737 |
| Tory leadership on 22:09 - Oct 9 by Flashberryjack |
When he was running for election, Starmer called out sleaze and gifts for favours in the ranks of the conservative politicians, then as soon as he gets elected, he does exactly the same, albeit on a smaller scale, but, if he hadn't been found out early in his term of office, who knows how much and how deep the corruption would have gone, the conservatives had 14 years to fill their boots.
Starmer is a thief and complete and utter hypocrite. |
A thief? | | | |
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| Tory leadership on 22:33 - Oct 9 with 862 views | majorraglan |
| Tory leadership on 22:09 - Oct 9 by Flashberryjack |
When he was running for election, Starmer called out sleaze and gifts for favours in the ranks of the conservative politicians, then as soon as he gets elected, he does exactly the same, albeit on a smaller scale, but, if he hadn't been found out early in his term of office, who knows how much and how deep the corruption would have gone, the conservatives had 14 years to fill their boots.
Starmer is a thief and complete and utter hypocrite. |
I don’t condone Starmer accepting the gifts for 1 minute, but let’s put things in perspective. The £107k’s worth of gifts goes back about 5 years to 2019 and apart from the omissions in relation to his wife most of the donations were registered correctly.
I don’t think it was right for Starmer to accept these for 1 minute, but we’re talking about a 5 year period, I don’t think this is anywhere near the scale of what the Conservatives were raking in. Boris was looking at £200k for doing his flat out!
As I’ve highlighted previously, Cameron changed the rules (that Blair introduced to ensure greater transparency) thereby avoiding the requirement for complete disclosure of gifts etc received by ministers reducing scrutiny etc etc.
In the last 12 months 141 Tory MPs received £359,891 in free gifts, including tickets paid for by the water industry - the fact MP’s are taking gifts from water companies really concerns me given the precarious state some of the water companies are in and the crises ahead. [Post edited 9 Oct 23:23]
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| Tory leadership on 23:08 - Oct 9 with 839 views | Kilkennyjack |
Not all the same after all … 🐖 |  |
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| Tory leadership on 15:40 - Oct 10 with 652 views | Flashberryjack |
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| Tory leadership on 22:02 - Oct 17 with 466 views | Dr_Winston |
I do get the feeling that Badenoch is the right person at the wrong time in exactly the same way that William Hague was.
Both of them utterly capable, easily confident people who did or might get the leadership earlier than necessary. Both will be barking at a Labour Govt with a significant majority and held in absurdly high regard in comparison to their achievements. Both may not become Prime Minister. |  |
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| Tory leadership on 10:17 - Oct 18 with 394 views | builthjack |
Is there still a Tory party ? |  |
| Swansea Indepenent Poster Of The Year 2021. Dr P / Mart66 / Roathie / Parlay / E20/ Duffle was 2nd, but he is deluded and thinks in his little twisted brain that he won. Poor sod. We let him win this year, as he has cried for a whole year. His 14 usernames, bless his cotton socks.
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| Tory leadership on 10:36 - Oct 18 with 370 views | raynor94 |
| Tory leadership on 10:17 - Oct 18 by builthjack |
Is there still a Tory party ? |
What's your view on Labour so far Builth? I'm a lifetime member of the GMB and have always voted Labour.
But I'm throughly disappointed so far |  |
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| Tory leadership on 11:26 - Oct 18 with 344 views | Whiterockin |
| Tory leadership on 10:36 - Oct 18 by raynor94 |
What's your view on Labour so far Builth? I'm a lifetime member of the GMB and have always voted Labour.
But I'm throughly disappointed so far |
When we get the first by election it will be interesting to see how it goes. |  | | |
| Tory leadership on 13:33 - Oct 18 with 282 views | onehunglow |
It’s not been the Tory party for decades | |
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