| How much longer? 11:53 - Dec 7 with 16050 views | Professor |
Can this forum tolerate liars and conspiracy theorists? |  | | |  |
| How much longer? on 18:09 - Dec 8 with 1303 views | Professor |
| How much longer? on 16:36 - Dec 8 by A_Fans_Dad |
Are you saying that Regeneron's therapeutic does the same thing less effectively than the Pfizer Vaccine?
Please Clarify. |
It’s a mix (cocktail) of monoclonal antibodies targeting the virus that act in the same way as antibodies elicited by vaccination. It works by exactly repeating what the vaccine elicited antibodies do. But without memory or complementary T cell activity. At about 20-50 times the cost. An important therapy for those who cannot be effectively vaccinated which is what NICE has recommended. | | | |
| How much longer? on 18:18 - Dec 8 with 1292 views | Professor |
| How much longer? on 18:02 - Dec 8 by Flynnidine_Zidownes |
On the last point I did read with some interest recently that they have made great progress in creating a vaccine for children to protect against malaria in sub Saharan Africa. I spent a fair bit of time in west Africa and the suffering it causes is beyond anything we can imagine sitting here in our warm homes. If they can get that rolled out it would be one of the finest achievements in medicine to date. |
Malaria in Africa is horrific-seen its effects in Malawi. It is promising news but efficacy was below 40%. Nevertheless that’s hundreds of thousands protected | | | |
| How much longer? (n/t) (n/t) on 18:21 - Dec 8 with 1278 views | onehunglow |
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| How much longer? on 18:24 - Dec 8 with 1271 views | onehunglow |
Boris babbling on now about us forcing people to get vaccinated isnt the way we do things in this country.
Yep,this is Boris ,the guy who let us lose last year to "enjoy" Christmas but what a cost.
This is a PM who wants to be loved and seen a popular and making the hardest choices are anathema to him
Woman on BBC new now saying covid has ruined her life.She was not vaxed and caught it and baby had to be delivered at 26 weeks.
FFS .SEEK THE LIGHT. [Post edited 8 Dec 2021 18:49]
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| How much longer? on 18:54 - Dec 8 with 1234 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| How much longer? on 18:09 - Dec 8 by Professor |
It’s a mix (cocktail) of monoclonal antibodies targeting the virus that act in the same way as antibodies elicited by vaccination. It works by exactly repeating what the vaccine elicited antibodies do. But without memory or complementary T cell activity. At about 20-50 times the cost. An important therapy for those who cannot be effectively vaccinated which is what NICE has recommended. |
Except you can't give the vaccine to save someone's life when they are in hospital dying of COVID.
So they are no where near the same are they.
Completely different objectives. | | | |
| How much longer? on 19:09 - Dec 8 with 1237 views | Professor |
| How much longer? on 18:54 - Dec 8 by A_Fans_Dad |
Except you can't give the vaccine to save someone's life when they are in hospital dying of COVID.
So they are no where near the same are they.
Completely different objectives. |
Ok. This is plain stupidity on your part. All Regeneron does is reproduce part of the protection of vaccination. It is less effective than any of the vaccines at at over a grand a pop hardly good value when the vaccine stops you getting sick. Notably a lot of its use is on the selfish unvaccinated folk in the US. I fully support its use as NICE recommend.
I am less keen on my tax supporting it’s use in the selfish
It also has a higher risk of adverse events. If you think it’s a good frontline option,
You are exceedingly stupid. Why wait until you are Ill when there is a better option. | | | |
| How much longer? on 19:12 - Dec 8 with 1228 views | Professor |
| How much longer? on 18:54 - Dec 8 by A_Fans_Dad |
Except you can't give the vaccine to save someone's life when they are in hospital dying of COVID.
So they are no where near the same are they.
Completely different objectives. |
And I won’t bother taking my time to give you a civil scientific answer again if you are just going to give some alt right a hole reply. | | | |
| How much longer? on 19:22 - Dec 8 with 1217 views | Gwyn737 |
| How much longer? on 18:54 - Dec 8 by A_Fans_Dad |
Except you can't give the vaccine to save someone's life when they are in hospital dying of COVID.
So they are no where near the same are they.
Completely different objectives. |
About the whole hospital thing, I’ll ask you again.
Which group is the most likely hospitalised, the vaccinated or the unvaccinated? | | | |
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| How much longer? on 19:44 - Dec 8 with 1190 views | onehunglow |
Have none of you seen this poor women who was unvaxed having to have her baby delivered 6 weeks early.
Are the anti vaxers cowards as well as immoral
Ive asked them all and will try again
WHAT IS THE ALTERNATIVE.
HOW WE WE DEAL WITH COVID | |
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| How much longer? on 21:00 - Dec 8 with 1149 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| How much longer? on 19:09 - Dec 8 by Professor |
Ok. This is plain stupidity on your part. All Regeneron does is reproduce part of the protection of vaccination. It is less effective than any of the vaccines at at over a grand a pop hardly good value when the vaccine stops you getting sick. Notably a lot of its use is on the selfish unvaccinated folk in the US. I fully support its use as NICE recommend.
I am less keen on my tax supporting it’s use in the selfish
It also has a higher risk of adverse events. If you think it’s a good frontline option,
You are exceedingly stupid. Why wait until you are Ill when there is a better option. |
Because the person lying dying in hospital has already had 2 lots of vaccinations.
You are totally Unvaccinated centric aren't you?
It is as if you are in denial that thousands of vaccinated have and are dying.
That is where the medication comes in whether vaxxed or unvaxxed. | | | |
| How much longer? on 21:01 - Dec 8 with 1146 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| How much longer? on 19:12 - Dec 8 by Professor |
And I won’t bother taking my time to give you a civil scientific answer again if you are just going to give some alt right a hole reply. |
I couldn't give a toss if you do or don't, I will continue questioning your illogical or incorrect pronouncements. | | | |
| How much longer? on 21:06 - Dec 8 with 1142 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| How much longer? on 19:44 - Dec 8 by onehunglow |
Have none of you seen this poor women who was unvaxed having to have her baby delivered 6 weeks early.
Are the anti vaxers cowards as well as immoral
Ive asked them all and will try again
WHAT IS THE ALTERNATIVE.
HOW WE WE DEAL WITH COVID |
The way that Uttar Pradesh and many parts of India did, have you even bothered to look at India's performance?
Of course their Government is making it all up and or lying. | | | |
| How much longer? on 21:15 - Dec 8 with 1143 views | YDdraigGoch |
| How much longer? on 21:00 - Dec 8 by A_Fans_Dad |
Because the person lying dying in hospital has already had 2 lots of vaccinations.
You are totally Unvaccinated centric aren't you?
It is as if you are in denial that thousands of vaccinated have and are dying.
That is where the medication comes in whether vaxxed or unvaxxed. |
Mate, just give up. You're never going to get through to them. The world is going to crap, and they just can't see it. No matter what you say; it won't change their beliefs. I don't know what will wake them up. | | | |
| How much longer? on 21:22 - Dec 8 with 1124 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| How much longer? on 19:22 - Dec 8 by Gwyn737 |
About the whole hospital thing, I’ll ask you again.
Which group is the most likely hospitalised, the vaccinated or the unvaccinated? |
You obviously haven't been paying attention.
I posted that the unvaccinated rates were higher than the vaccinated rates months ago, way before UK Gov. did.
But that wasn't the discussion now. [Post edited 8 Dec 2021 21:23]
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| How much longer? on 21:23 - Dec 8 with 1132 views | Gwyn737 |
| How much longer? on 21:22 - Dec 8 by A_Fans_Dad |
You obviously haven't been paying attention.
I posted that the unvaccinated rates were higher than the vaccinated rates months ago, way before UK Gov. did.
But that wasn't the discussion now. [Post edited 8 Dec 2021 21:23]
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Safer to be vaccinated then. Tidy. | | | |
| How much longer? on 21:51 - Dec 8 with 1102 views | majorraglan |
| How much longer? on 16:18 - Dec 8 by A_Fans_Dad |
Except it is full of mistakes. the most glaring of which is quote
"The delta variant was first detected in India in October 2020, meaning it arose before vaccination began. It was one of the causes of a second wave of infections in India early in 2021"
Except the second wave due to the Delta variant did not start until March 2021, 3 months after the Vaccination programme started.
Form October to March the Cases went down, nowhere has it taken Delta 5 months to gain a foothold.
The start date can be found to be anywhere between that article's October 2020 and this version that says February 2021.
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/06/10/health/delta-variant-india-explained-coronavi
Disinformation abounds. |
Numerous sources state the Delta variant was first identified in October 2020, articles also state The first "Delta wave" became apparent during the second surge of COVID-19 infections in India, in early February cases started increasing from 10,000 to a peak f over 400,000 by early May. where it first Daily cases skyrocketed from roughly 10,000 in early February to a peak of 414,000 in May.
The Delta wave hit India as its vaccination campaign was still in its infancy; only 4% of Indians had received a first dose. | | | |
| How much longer? on 22:38 - Dec 8 with 1040 views | RonaldStump |
| How much longer? on 21:23 - Dec 8 by Gwyn737 |
Safer to be vaccinated then. Tidy. |
No Not at all. To be classed fully vaccinated in hospital you must be 14 days after 3rd jab or 14 days & < 6 months of 2nd jab. Everyone else is classed as unjabbed.
Awake yet
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| How much longer? on 00:07 - Dec 9 with 1008 views | pikeypaul |
| How much longer? on 21:01 - Dec 8 by A_Fans_Dad |
I couldn't give a toss if you do or don't, I will continue questioning your illogical or incorrect pronouncements. |
He was exactly the same with Brexit,with all his guesses which have now been proved totally wrong.
Constantly calling people idiots since they did not agree with his guesses how things would play out,its what his type do.
I am double vaxxed and soon to be tripled but if others dont want it so be it,especially when all these so called experts have shown to be BS ters so often recently. |  |
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| How much longer? on 06:14 - Dec 9 with 976 views | Professor |
| How much longer? on 00:07 - Dec 9 by pikeypaul |
He was exactly the same with Brexit,with all his guesses which have now been proved totally wrong.
Constantly calling people idiots since they did not agree with his guesses how things would play out,its what his type do.
I am double vaxxed and soon to be tripled but if others dont want it so be it,especially when all these so called experts have shown to be BS ters so often recently. |
You have no idea and are confusing me with Kilks here.
As retirees you are not bearing the taxation costs of the pandemic and Brexit. I doubt you are noticing the spiralling costs of living. The huge struggles areas such as agriculture and hospitality are having without workers. These are not made up or Project Fear. Neither are there some of the bigger impacts in the financial sector as yet and these may or may not happen. So as suggested, and as I am doing let’s just get in with making the best of the situation which I have yet to see any benefit.
It’s you that still has an issue. | | | |
| How much longer? on 06:43 - Dec 9 with 968 views | Scotia |
| How much longer? on 22:38 - Dec 8 by RonaldStump |
No Not at all. To be classed fully vaccinated in hospital you must be 14 days after 3rd jab or 14 days & < 6 months of 2nd jab. Everyone else is classed as unjabbed.
Awake yet
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That appears to be Prof Fenton's definition though isn't it.
The text he's received is just an invite to get his booster. He's 65, he'd be wise to accept. He's a mathematician who specialises in risk after all. | | | |
| How much longer? on 07:46 - Dec 9 with 948 views | Scotia |
| How much longer? on 16:18 - Dec 8 by A_Fans_Dad |
Except it is full of mistakes. the most glaring of which is quote
"The delta variant was first detected in India in October 2020, meaning it arose before vaccination began. It was one of the causes of a second wave of infections in India early in 2021"
Except the second wave due to the Delta variant did not start until March 2021, 3 months after the Vaccination programme started.
Form October to March the Cases went down, nowhere has it taken Delta 5 months to gain a foothold.
The start date can be found to be anywhere between that article's October 2020 and this version that says February 2021.
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/06/10/health/delta-variant-india-explained-coronavi
Disinformation abounds. |
Wow. You're relying on the Clinton News Network now?
CNN is very much an outlier, and seems to have mistaken the origin of the virus with the early stages of the Delta wave. New Scientist is a well informed magazine, they aren't going to get the date a genomically sequenced variant was found, unless they are lying. All other media claims Delta originated before the end of 2020, vaccination began in India in January 2021.
Lets look at the other variants of concern.
Alpha - originated in the UK in Autumn 2020. Vaccination began in December 2020.
Beta - originated in South Africa September 2020. Vaccination began in February 2021.
Gamma - originatedin Brazil December 2020. Vaccination began in January 2021.
There is no link between vaccination and variants.
The only variant of concern to originate in a country that has started vaccination is Omicron. Which originated when about 80% of the population wasn't vaccinated.
No variants have emerged in a highly vaccinated population. The vaccines are doing the job, lets get the world vaccinated asap. | | | |
| How much longer? on 07:59 - Dec 9 with 944 views | ExiledJack |
| How much longer? on 09:28 - Dec 8 by Professor |
There are quite a few ways to produce vaccines-different types have different immunogenic properties and differing safety issues. The simplest are inactivated vaccines that produce mediocre antibody, need repeated shots but are simple to produce, though not that cheaply. The Chinese vaccine uses this principle. But to be frank it's rubbish. The others in the pipeline are subunit vaccines -just use part of the virus. These are generally very safe and can be cheap if a recombinant protein- put the viral gene in usually yeast and essentially grow in a large culture-we have a lot of experience in this from brewing. But they suffer from the same issues as inactivated vaccines, but can be used succesfully in vaccines like hepatitis B and are safe to use in immunocompromised people. The last option is a live attenuated vaccine-basically the virus with some parts inactivated which produce the best immunity, but always have a risk of become virulent again (reversion) and can't be used in immunocompromised individuals. Live coronavirus vaccines are pretty good in livestock like pigs and chickens.
So we may get some new vaccines, but for many the whole idea is an anathema. Nothing new-been anti-vaxxers since Jenner in the 18th Century. The one thing I would always point out, is that most of the big infectious disease problems in the world are not vaccine preventable. That tells an important story. |
Thanks Professor. Personally for Covid I’ve no issue with taking a vaccine that solely induces a T cell response. I’m keen to avoid those that induce antibodies because I’m concerned about antigenic drift.
I might be an outlier, but am encouraged to see that Emergex is conducting a trial for this type of vaccine. | | | |
| How much longer? on 08:05 - Dec 9 with 940 views | Scotia |
| How much longer? on 16:34 - Dec 8 by A_Fans_Dad |
"Of course it then suggests the first person to collapse and suffer a cardiac arrest was a child playing football" - 17 years of age.
Dated 12 December 2020.
"The Food and Drug Administration authorized the United States' first COVID-19 vaccine for people age 16 and over late Friday,"
Unlike here they did not necessarily stage their vaccinations by age groups.
By January they had administered 3 Million doses. |
So where is the proof that he had been vaccinated, the chances he was are very small?
Lets look at others over the next couple of months.
January.
A 24 year old Portugese footballer. Not vaccinated.
A 24 year old Brazillian footballer. Not vaccinated.
An 86 year old who died in his sleep. Natural causes.
A 20 year old French footballer.
February.
A Welsh CHILD who died playing Rugby. He's named on the website.
I'm leaving it there.
I could go on, but I'm not going to. There are plenty more. The entire website is utter nonsense.
This is getting completely out of order.
You've linked a website that completely lies about the cause of death of a Welsh child on a Welsh football website. His friends and family could be reading this.
Are you so engrossed in this compete BS that you're prepared to use the death of a local child to try and prove your point?
Enough is enough. Surely this can't go on? | | | |
| How much longer? on 09:45 - Dec 9 with 900 views | onehunglow |
| How much longer? on 08:05 - Dec 9 by Scotia |
So where is the proof that he had been vaccinated, the chances he was are very small?
Lets look at others over the next couple of months.
January.
A 24 year old Portugese footballer. Not vaccinated.
A 24 year old Brazillian footballer. Not vaccinated.
An 86 year old who died in his sleep. Natural causes.
A 20 year old French footballer.
February.
A Welsh CHILD who died playing Rugby. He's named on the website.
I'm leaving it there.
I could go on, but I'm not going to. There are plenty more. The entire website is utter nonsense.
This is getting completely out of order.
You've linked a website that completely lies about the cause of death of a Welsh child on a Welsh football website. His friends and family could be reading this.
Are you so engrossed in this compete BS that you're prepared to use the death of a local child to try and prove your point?
Enough is enough. Surely this can't go on? |
Your last sentence is a killer post.
What is the laternative a fan dad?
You have been asked so give us your erudite reply.
No masks,no distance,no jabs. Is that the wat forward?
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